National Day of Register Your Child without Vaccines or Exemptions

[emma1325]

They don't have a right to "require" my healthy child to get vaccines, to ask for their shot records, or to ask for an exemption form. The government/school system does NOT own my children, and my children most certainly have a constitutional right to a public education.

People need to band together and stop putting up with it.

Who wants to organize it? I'll retract my exemption and insist that they enroll my children anyway.

[Marnica]

Oh boy!

While I agree with you, what you are suggesting is basically breaking the law, as the law does require a child to either be vaccinated or have an exemption on file.

If you do yank your exemption, chances are they will just prevent your child from attending school. There are many shady, unconstitutional laws on the books (especially since 911), but they are still laws. Anything short of a MASS countrywide uprising, will probably not do more than cause problems for you are your family. That doesn't mean we should nto let our opinions and our voices be heard. Write to your congressmen/senators/representatives and let them know how you feel.

[AllyRae]

Yeah, what Marnica says. The government owns and funds the schools. Their rules need to be followed. If one doesn't want to/can't follow those rules, there are other schooling options. Public schools don't require vaccines--they just require proof of vaccines OR exemptions. I do not see that as any different than requiring proof of citizenship and residency (which our local public schools also require--we have to prove the children are US citizens AND we have to prove that we live at the address we say we live. We also have to prove we are the parents. There are several things schools are required to ask for proof of--vaccine status is just one of them. In Ohio, kindy kids are also required to have an actual physical on file prior to starting as well...or at least in our county in Ohio they do)

Besides, the exemption also serves other purposes. My son has a medical exemption (although he goes to an Independent school which is not government funded) and because of his exemption, the head of school informs me as soon as a VPD shows up in school so that I can make the choice to keep him out of school.

I agree with letting your voice be heard, but I'm not sure MDC can even host discussions encouraging people to break the law, no matter how unfair one thinks the law might be.

[Jadzia]

I would rather see lobbying in those states that lack proper philosophical exemptions.

[MountainMamaGC]

I admire your spirit.

[emma1325]

Originally Posted by Marnica

Oh boy!

While I agree with you, what you are suggesting is basically breaking the law, as the law does require a child to either be vaccinated or have an exemption on file.

If you do yank your exemption, chances are they will just prevent your child from attending school. There are many shady, unconstitutional laws on the books (especially since 911), but they are still laws. Anything short of a MASS countrywide uprising, will probably not do more than cause problems for you are your family. That doesn't mean we should nto let our opinions and our voices be heard. Write to your congressmen/senators/representatives and let them know how you feel.

I don't see why it would cause me problems if enough people across the country did it with me. What will they do...expel everyone's kids from school? Doubtful. They'd lose too much money. I see it as a protest...It would bring lots of attention to the issue. People who do it can be sure they are able to homeschool that year if need be. But I wouldn't plan on homeschooling. I'd plan on bringing my child to school every day, and if it came down to it, I'd have the media with me to watch them kick my child out of school over a policy that violates my parental rights.

[emma1325]

Originally Posted by lydiah

i admire your spirit.

:d

[phathui5]

The government owns and funds the schools. Their rules need to be followed. If one doesn't want to/can't follow those rules, there are other schooling options.

Not wanting to deal with their rules is reason number 324 that we homeschool.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by emma1325

I don't see why it would cause me problems if enough people across the country did it with me. What will they do...expel everyone's kids from school? Doubtful. They'd lose too much money. I see it as a protest...It would bring lots of attention to the issue. People who do it can be sure they are able to homeschool that year if need be. But I wouldn't plan on homeschooling. I'd plan on bringing my child to school every day, and if it came down to it, I'd have the media with me to watch them kick my child out of school over a policy that violates my parental rights.

I admire your spirit too. Perhaps I'm being too pessamistic, but the sheer numbers of people you would need to join you would be have to be fairly large I would imagine. I'm not sure what you mean about the schools losing money?? If it's a public school, it's funded by tax dollars. They will get those dollars anyway unless you plan to stop paying your taxes in protest as well.
All I'm saying is that you make it sound so simple, and idealistically it may be, but in reality I think it isn't. Take homeschooling for example. (my child is not in school yet, but for the sake of my point, lets say he is) I do not have the luxury of homeschooling. I envy parents that do. Both DH and I work full-time. Financially we have to.
I wish I could see things as optimistically as you do, because I agree with you! but I just can't see past the reality.

[Turquesa]

Originally Posted by Jadzia

I would rather see lobbying in those states that lack proper philosophical exemptions.

Ditto.

[cyberfish]

It's a nice idea in theory. But technically you'd be breaking the law and in some places they'd have no problem arresting you and putting you in jail. And if you've got little ones at home to care for, I don't think jail is a place to be. Remember Maryland a few years ago where they were threatening to jail parents for having unvaxed/unexempted kids?

I do admire your spirit also

[just_lily]

I understand what you are trying to say, OP. I agree that we should be able to make whatever medical decisions we want for our children (and ourselves) without having to justify it to anyone. I feel fortunate to live in an area (Alberta) that doesn't have any school entry requirements when it comes to vaccines. (You wouldn't believe the number of people who don't understand this though.)

When I was in the hospital after having DD the lab tech came in to do her heal stick and told me in was 'mandatory.' We had already decided to do this test, but I was just so angry to have someone in my face telling me it was "mandatory" when it clearly isn't. Poor girl didn't know what hit her when I went all Hormonal Post-Patum Mama on her.

[isign]

Originally Posted by Jadzia

I would rather see lobbying in those states that lack proper philosophical exemptions.

Here here!! We got nothing! I have heard of moms in my area getting exceptions but can't get in touch with them.

[AllyRae]

Originally Posted by emma1325

I don't see why it would cause me problems if enough people across the country did it with me. What will they do...expel everyone's kids from school? Doubtful. They'd lose too much money. I see it as a protest...It would bring lots of attention to the issue. People who do it can be sure they are able to homeschool that year if need be. But I wouldn't plan on homeschooling. I'd plan on bringing my child to school every day, and if it came down to it, I'd have the media with me to watch them kick my child out of school over a policy that violates my parental rights.

Unfortunately, I'm not quite sure you'd get much support outside of here though. If you brought it to the media, most parents in the school are likely to say "GREAT! Keep them out because of____insert pro-vax statement here__".

And they might expell all the kids from school, but I'm also quite sure that you would need thousands, if not more, of kids doing it at once for the media to even pick up on it.

I'm not pro-vax-every-single-child, in the least, but I also don't think it's a "right" to not have to show a vaccine record to attend a publicly funded school. I don't even think there is anything in the constitution saying that you have the right to refuse to show requested documents at school. And there are a lot more places that require the exemption and/or vaccine record (the big one I can think of is international travel. We were required to have vaccine records & exemptions for customs to enter Vietnam and then again to return to the US).

I'm sorry if it feels like I'm peeing on your parade. I'm not trying to... I just don't want to see someone in jail for attempting this without realizing that the federal and state governments are the ones requiring the forms, not the individual schools...

[A&A]

Originally Posted by Marnica

Oh boy!

While I agree with you, what you are suggesting is basically breaking the law, as the law does require a child to either be vaccinated or have an exemption on file.
.

It sounds more like changing the law than breaking it.

[AllyRae]

Originally Posted by A&A

It sounds more like changing the law than breaking it.

No, it's breaking the law to bring your child to attend school without a vaccine record or exemption. Changing the law would likely involve writing to lawmakers, getting a petition to put it on a ballot, etc. Showing up with media demanding that a child be allowed to enroll might not get nearly enough support to do anything besides make people think the anti-vax movement is crazy. If she wants to work on changing the law, she's going to have to go directly to the lawmakers (which might be hard considering changes to federal law must go through the president I believe, and he's pretty strongly pro-vax and pretty strongly against vaccine choice...)

[soso-lynn]

Perhaps a mass exile to Canada might be a good idea...

If I were in a place where my child's vaccination record was required for school, I would fake it. I cannot afford to homeschool and I think that having to get an 'exemption' is even more gross and degrading than making fake records.

[Jadzia]

Originally Posted by AllyRae

If she wants to work on changing the law, she's going to have to go directly to the lawmakers (which might be hard considering changes to federal law must go through the president I believe, and he's pretty strongly pro-vax and pretty strongly against vaccine choice...)

There are no federal vaccine mandates, these are mandated by state governments which is why every state has different exemption laws. You need to petition your state government to change the law.

[caned & able]

Originally Posted by AllyRae

No, it's breaking the law to bring your child to attend school without a vaccine record or exemption. Changing the law would likely involve writing to lawmakers, getting a petition to put it on a ballot, etc. Showing up with media demanding that a child be allowed to enroll might not get nearly enough support to do anything besides make people think the anti-vax movement is crazy. If she wants to work on changing the law, she's going to have to go directly to the lawmakers (which might be hard considering changes to federal law must go through the president I believe, and he's pretty strongly pro-vax and pretty strongly against vaccine choice...)

There are no federal vaccine mandates, these are mandated by state governments which is why every state has different exemption laws. You need to petition your state government to change the law.

Education, Health and Safety are constitutional mandates of each of the individual states, the so-called police powers of the 10th Amendment. I know there are the Departments of Health & Human Services and the Department of Education and this confuses the situation. The reason the states each have requirements for vaccination records or vaccine exemptions is because of the power of the medical establishment over the licensing of health care professionals and over us.

I wish civics was still taught in high school.

[AllyRae]

Originally Posted by caned & able

I wish civics was still taught in high school.

That's kind of a snotty statement, don't you think?

I took civics in school (but it was a public school and I had to study with my vaccinated brain so maybe I got some substandard civics or something? J/K of course...) But common sense also tells you that if you are asking people across the country to join you in an effort, then you are attempting to create a federal mandate that would overrule the state mandates. Otherwise, it's fairly pointless for someone in Ohio and someone in Alaska and someone in Hawaii to do join in if the protest is about the rules in South Dakota, you know? It seems like the OP is wanting a federal change that would override the state mandates, and that's not going to happen by breaking laws and creating a media frenzy...it would require a pretty major effort that would involve contacting state and federal lawmakers...especially if she thinks her constitutional rights as a parent (as determined by our federal constitution) are being violated. States can't create mandates that violate federal constitutional rights, so if she can make a case that her federally granted rights are being violated, and all states have the same mandates, it becomes a federal issue.

But, as far as I know, there are no federally granted rights to refusal to show vaccine records, unless you are pulling in Hippa regulations regarding privacy of medical information...