National Day of Register Your Child without Vaccines or Exemptions - Page 2

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by A&A

It sounds more like changing the law than breaking it.

No should she do this (in an attempt to change the law perhaps) she would be breaking it. At least as it is currently written in public health codes in all states in the US right now.

[~Charlie's~Angel~]

Originally Posted by phathui5

Not wanting to deal with their rules is reason number 324 that we homeschool.

Glad this is an option for you. It is not for everyone though.

I am of the understanding that the LAWS in my state require proof of vaxes OR a medical or religious exemption to attend public school. Do I wish vaccines didnt exist at all? YEA, i sure do. But they do, and my kids will have to attend public school, therefore I have no porblem abiding by the states rules, as long as I am not given a hard time.

I am hoping by the time that moment comes, WAY more people will have woken up about vaxes, and I wont be alone on that hill when we enroll.

[newmum35]

Originally Posted by Jadzia

I would rather see lobbying in those states that lack proper philosophical exemptions.

Me too. Mine has medical and religious. It is disturbing that i have no choice than to get a religious exemption even though he has had some vaxes. And if I should decide to get him any others in the future, or a booster for the series he did have? Am I right in having read on this site this would be a bad idea, because that is going to call into question my sincerity of my religious beliefs (my exemption)? So I will have no choice after declaring the exemption than to never vax again from that point on? is that right? And what about future kids - will a religious exemption for kid#1 prevent me from giving kid#2 any vaxes? This is really quite confusing, and disturbing, but if its all or none, than I'm going to be choosing none. But that might mean that he is vaxed *less* than he would have been, if my state had philosophical exemptions. Has anyone declared a religious exemption then went on to get maybe one more, like a booster for the ones they already had prior to exemption? Do they really come after you and reject your exemption and make you get the rest? If that happens could you move out of state to one with a philosophical exemption or what would your options be at that point?

[Deborah]

I think that philosophical exemptions would actually increase vaccine compliance among parents who want to pick and choose. It would also make it possible for schools to have accurate info about who was vaccinated for which illnesses. Which isn't as useful as it sounds (to digress for a moment) because a jab and immunity aren't the same thing.

The current system with religious exemptions demands that selective vaxers lie.

Which is pretty bizarre. There they are, begging and pleading that everyone get vaccinated, on the one side...

while they insist on a legal set-up that forces parents to hide the fact that they vaccinate their children on the other side.

Offit, for example, is bitterly opposed to philosophical exemptions. Which means that he is, in practice, harder on selective vaccinators than he is on non-vaccinators.

[MommyDOK]

I guess I"m a little confused. You want schools to not ask for any form--either vax or exemption??

This is definitely under a state's jurisdiction, but good luck getting a legislator to take our case. I do agree w/ the pp that the mainstream media and most parents will be glad if we don't have our children near theirs. I have a lot of crunchy friends that ebf, natural birth etc, but they look at me really oddly when I tell them I'm not getting a freaking flu shot.

I agree that it is ridiculous, but I'm happy w/ my state that all I have to do is put in a little exemption card. It is religious, but they are not allowed to ask my religion, so it is as good as a philosophical exemption. Iirc, West Virgina was even proposing to make all homeschoolers have vax on record, which is REALLY creepy and all.

There is no US constitutional right to public education, as our country was not founded on such at all. Although your state constitution may have something.

It is also easier to get things changed on a state level than a federal level, which our founders certainly realized.

[soso-lynn]

Originally Posted by MommyDOK

I guess I"m a little confused. You want schools to not ask for any form--either vax or exemption??

There is no US constitutional right to public education, as our country was not founded on such at all. Although your state constitution may have something.

American politics are so funny... No constitutional right to education but a legal obligation to allow the government to have access to private medical information to have access to school funded by tax money. This is why I cringe when I hear people call us Canadians socialists and whatnot.

Anyway, yes I do think that not having to provide any proof of vaccination or justification for not vaccinating should be the norm. I do not buy the whole argument that the school needs to know what to do if there is an outbreak as I think everyone should be notified of any infectious disease going around at their school, regardless of vaccination status.

[MommyDOK]

Originally Posted by soso-lynn

American politics are so funny... No constitutional right to education but a legal obligation to allow the government to have access to private medical information to have access to school funded by tax money. This is why I cringe when I hear people call us Canadians socialists and whatnot.

Well, you won't get any disagreement from me. Yes, the fed govt forcibly takes tax money from states' citizens and then gives it back to the states w/ strings attached. This is bizarre. This is why I'm not a statist.

Originally Posted by soso-lynn

Anyway, yes I do think that not having to provide any proof of vaccination or justification for not vaccinating should be the norm. I do not buy the whole argument that the school needs to know what to do if there is an outbreak as I think everyone should be notified of any infectious disease going around at their school, regardless of vaccination status.

Agreed. I think it is a function of the fact that the state needs to reassure the people that it is important and taking care of us etc. It reinforces their control and feeds the sheeple fodder for even more control.

[Jugs]

Originally Posted by soso-lynn

Anyway, yes I do think that not having to provide any proof of vaccination or justification for not vaccinating should be the norm. I do not buy the whole argument that the school needs to know what to do if there is an outbreak as I think everyone should be notified of any infectious disease going around at their school, regardless of vaccination status.

Yep. I believe the only real reason is "because they can". Most families are dependent on being able to send their children to school (and some just haven't considered the alternatives), so when they are told that their child has to do XYZ to attend school, they are going to do it.

[emma1325]

Originally Posted by Marnica

I admire your spirit too. Perhaps I'm being too pessamistic, but the sheer numbers of people you would need to join you would be have to be fairly large I would imagine. I'm not sure what you mean about the schools losing money?? If it's a public school, it's funded by tax dollars. They will get those dollars anyway unless you plan to stop paying your taxes in protest as well.
All I'm saying is that you make it sound so simple, and idealistically it may be, but in reality I think it isn't. Take homeschooling for example. (my child is not in school yet, but for the sake of my point, lets say he is) I do not have the luxury of homeschooling. I envy parents that do. Both DH and I work full-time. Financially we have to.
I wish I could see things as optimistically as you do, because I agree with you! but I just can't see past the reality.

I'm really late getting back to this, but I wanted to come back and continue.

Schools' funding depend on their enrollment numbers, so if they were refusing a large amount of people based on vaccination records (or lack thereof) they would suffer.

And I still strongly disagree that what I am suggesting is against the law. From what I understand, depending on the state it may be against the state law for a school to enroll a child without vaccines or exemption, but not for a parent to insist that the child be accepted without those things. Also, many states have provisions that state that principals or school board authorities can make judgment calls regarding entry without vaccines.

So...what I'm saying is (depending on the state) the law is written in a manner which allows the school require vaccines, however they could get out of it if they really wanted to. Someone correct me here if they know differently, I'll have to go back and check my info. This is something I remember from when I was attempting to lobby better exemptions into place in MS.

I realize my suggestion may be over-the-top. And it would require a lot of participation. But if each state had a person heading it up, I believe it could at very least draw some attention to the fact that parents should NOT be required to turn any medical records over to the school for admission.

[Arduinna]

The National Day needs to be every day.

[emma1325]

Originally Posted by Arduinna

The National Day needs to be every day.

I know, right? Gotta start somewhere though. Parents need to stand up for their rights, and they should NOT be required to turn over medical information (or file exemption to do so) just to send their children to school.

If parents stood up for themselves, we could change this. We need Barbara Loe Fisher and some others to promote it. I honestly believe we could at least drive up awareness of the issue, and perhaps affect policies.