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post #1 of 17
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My son will be ready for K this fall and we already know we will be keeping him home. We have followed a child-led learning philosophy since he was born and just try to provide him with lots of books, materials, activities, etc when he shows an interest in something. He is thriving and excelling with this, so I don't want to change much as we reach "school" age.

He is not quite 5 and is a very very independent learner. He loves to rsearch things on his own. He will pick a topic and insist we buy every book we come across about that topic, will search for more info online, enjoys programs or games on that topic, etc. He honestly really really enjoys reading and then supplementing with vids, pics, etc at Cosmeo, Discovery, Animal Planet, etc. He also likes to act things out with creative play, thru experiments, thru games, thru art, etc. He is a very very visual and tactile learner.

He HATES formalized learning activities. books, games, programs on tv, websites, experiments, field trips - those are generally big hits. But workbooks are a big NO WAY (which doesn't bother me except for the issue it may raise with making a portfolio). Directed learning sessions like games with the abacus or dominos is a huge turnoff for him and he refuses to get involved - although this may be cuz it is math based and he is boycotting math.

He REFUSES to sit with me for "school time" but will then come to me daily and ask to get on the computer to do "homework" which is more research and games on the latest obsession. he could spend hours a day reading and researching dragons or medusa or octopuses. He does not lack focus, just lacks the desire to learn anything except what he wants. LOL

I don't know where to start with a curiculum for him or how to effectively create a portfolio. I have started a blog to help me document what we are doing and our various activities....

To make the challenge just a little bit harder, I think he has mastered all the K skills already and many of the 1st grade skills - but hard to prove when he won't cooperate with the idea of school time. His reading is fabulous, he can pick up any book inthe house, even my hbby's A&P textbook, and read it without much difficulty. he can add basic numbers up to 10 or so, but only if he doesnt realize that he is adding. Ask him what 2+1 is and he will stare at you or simply say no and walk away. But if it is in a game or really truly embedded in an activity, like cooking or something, he does it without hestitation or even thinking about it. sorting ad sequencing toys and stuff is great if he starts it. If I start it, he ends the playtime and moves onto something else.
The math stuff I got like cubes, the abacus, and sorting bears - I was told they were BORING and they sit and collect dust. Spelling and writng - also BORING activities. He has been writing since he was about 3, but has no interest in it once he felt that he mastered writing his letters. he can spell words like octopus and monster and cyclops without batting an eye, but ask him to spell bird and he can't (despite the fact that he could last year!)

I really think I have my work cut out for me LOL He is strong willed and not afraid to stand his ground.

Until now, I have not pushed anything. And I don't want to start either - Just fuel whatever interest he has going that week. I try to intro new ideas/topics periodically or work things like math and spelling into activities he already is enjoying. But I am worried about it now that we have to conform to school requirements for the upcoming year. I have to have some sort of cirriculum to show them, and a portfolio of his progress. And I don't know how to reconcile that with our child led learning style....

Any suggestions or advice?? TIA!
post #2 of 17
We're unschoolers (though not radical unschoolers.) In our state, we do not have to do portfolios. (All we have to do is register that we intend to homeschool.) My son's personality sounds a lot like yours. I'm going to be using this as a guide to self-assess how my kids are doing: http://www.fun-books.com/books/livin...ing_guides.htm

Perhaps you can use this guide to monitor from a distance what your son does. I will be introducing some of the topics in a way that doesn't seem schooly. For example, I believe it's a 1st grade math skill to count by twos. So, I just randomly count by twos. He's picked it up to 10. He's only 4 so I'm in no real hurry, it just sort of happened one day and I've randomly followed up.

As the site says:
These guides are put together by Nancy Plent, founder of the Unschoolers Network in New Jersey and a long-time homeschooler. She reviewed the scope and sequence charts and curriculum guides of dozens of schools in various states, then combined the highest standards of elements from each to create these guides. Why purchase these curriculum guides? 1) They may help you to fulfill your state's legal requirement to provide an educational plan 2) They allow you to see some of the highest standards for schools at various grade levels, just in case you are curious about what the schools expect or are anxious about what you are doing 3) They provide record-keeping space that can help organize a portfolio.

Besides providing a checklist under each subject, Nancy offers suggestions on how to translate real-life experience into curricula goals. She also lists resources from a variety of companies. Each guide covers two or more grade levels. The first four are in comb binding, while the high school guide is in a 3-ring binder.
post #3 of 17
I know nothing about portfolios because we don't have to do them here. But I do keep everything we do (art, the occasional worksheet) dumped into a big box. I take pictures at field trips, classes, and play dates. I also keep a simple journal. All that I throw into the box just so I can have proof that we did something should cps ever come and bug me about it again.

We just wrapped up our kindy year at home. I'm mostly an unschooler too. I have the learn at home books for grade K and 1st. Cheap with tons of ideas in there on all the different subjects (even art and motor skills). It's even all organized for you so you don't have to think too much/too hard. I rarely use them, but they are a good resource for me to have. We have a couple work books too, but rarely do them. Though sometimes she gets in a worksheet mood if it means earning herself a star sticker...for some reason she loves "earning" those.

Other than that we did a ton of homeschool play dates at the park, play dates with friends at home (or their homes), lots of field trips (alone and with our hs group), and a lot of different classes (doing ice skating now, just finished our lego classes). At home we spend tons of time outside with our animals and in our garden. We read. She has a "job" walking our roomates dog everyday. We also love to google stuff and do things on the computer (like watch animals on YouTube) or even just play games at pbs.com We don't do tv.

It's been a great year. Far less stressful than I was anticipating. I hope you figure out your groove and have a great year.
post #4 of 17
Where do you live? Only a minority of states actually require something like a portfolio, and for most of those kids under 7 or 8 are exempt from compulsory attendance laws, so you may have a few years... and it's hard to predict what a kid will be like at 7 or 8 when he's still 4.

It sounds like what you've been doing so far is working great - he's already at least a year "ahead", maybe more. I would focus on learning the ins and outs of yours state's laws and figuring out how to document what you're doing to meet the demands of those laws... I wouldn't change the actual homeschooling part.
post #5 of 17
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Thanks ladies. I have been feeling really torn - "if it aint broke, don't fix it" but at the same time, confused on how to fulfill the state requirements.

I live in FL and the statute states:

1002.41 Home education programs.--

(1) A "home education program" is defined in s. 1002.01. The parent is not required to hold a valid regular Florida teaching certificate.

(a) The parent shall notify the district school superintendent of the county in which the parent resides of her or his intent to establish and maintain a home education program. The notice shall be in writing, signed by the parent, and shall include the names, addresses, and birthdates of all children who shall be enrolled as students in the home education program. The notice shall be filed in the district school superintendent's office within 30 days of the establishment of the home education program. A written notice of termination of the home education program shall be filed in the district school superintendent's office within 30 days after said termination.

(b) The parent shall maintain a portfolio of records and materials. The portfolio shall consist of the following:

1. A log of educational activities that is made contemporaneously with the instruction and that designates by title any reading materials used.

2. Samples of any writings, worksheets, workbooks, or creative materials used or developed by the student.

The portfolio shall be preserved by the parent for 2 years and shall be made available for inspection by the district school superintendent, or the district school superintendent's agent, upon 15 days' written notice. Nothing in this section shall require the district school superintendent to inspect the portfolio.

(c) The parent shall provide for an annual educational evaluation in which is documented the student's demonstration of educational progress at a level commensurate with her or his ability. The parent shall select the method of evaluation and shall file a copy of the evaluation annually with the district school superintendent's office in the county in which the student resides. The annual educational evaluation shall consist of one of the following:

1. A teacher selected by the parent shall evaluate the student's educational progress upon review of the portfolio and discussion with the student. Such teacher shall hold a valid regular Florida certificate to teach academic subjects at the elementary or secondary level;

2. The student shall take any nationally normed student achievement test administered by a certified teacher;

3. The student shall take a state student assessment test used by the school district and administered by a certified teacher, at a location and under testing conditions approved by the school district;

4. The student shall be evaluated by an individual holding a valid, active license pursuant to the provisions of s. 490.003(7) or (8); or

5. The student shall be evaluated with any other valid measurement tool as mutually agreed upon by the district school superintendent of the district in which the student resides and the student's parent.

(2) The district school superintendent shall review and accept the results of the annual educational evaluation of the student in a home education program. If the student does not demonstrate educational progress at a level commensurate with her or his ability, the district school superintendent shall notify the parent, in writing, that such progress has not been achieved. The parent shall have 1 year from the date of receipt of the written notification to provide remedial instruction to the student. At the end of the 1-year probationary period, the student shall be reevaluated as specified in paragraph (1)(c). Continuation in a home education program shall be contingent upon the student demonstrating educational progress commensurate with her or his ability at the end of the probationary period.



Now that I am re-reading it, it does not actually require me to sumbit a curriculum, right? Just the portfolio at the end of the year. And the eval with a teacher is definitely my choice over the standardized testing....

I wonder if my blog would count as a portfolio or portion of hte portfolio....I am blogging about our various activities, field trips, etc. And I am using it to compile a list of books, links, resources so that I am organized for my portfolio.

Do you think printing out the blog - which basically has a short description and a bunch of pics of what we did/where we went would be acceptable?

Is there an easier way to do it?
post #6 of 17
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Cosmeo.com actually had a list of all teh florida state curriculum requirments/learning objectives - by grade and then by subject. I think I will print those out too and include them as a checklist. Then I know I won't "miss" anything they are expecting me to have there. Most of it we already have mastered.

If you ladies have not checked out Cosmeo.com - it is truly awesome!!! Only $10 a month and I would happily pay more than that with the use we get out of it every day. that is where DS goes when he assigns himelf "homework" - lots of great educational games and vids and articles. I have a feeling it is going to be our biggest homeschool/unschooling resource for a long time
post #7 of 17
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Another cool thing about that site - with the curriculum breakdown, each learning objective or standard - it also includes a link to vids and articles that meet that objective
post #8 of 17
Cosmeo.com This looks interesting. I don't want to do the free trial since we're not letting our son do much computer time at this age.

What you're saying is that each state's standards are available here to look at? Also, there are programs connected to those standards to help the kids learn?
post #9 of 17
Well, first off, in Florida you don't have to do anything until he's 6.

And I think the easiest way to meet the law would be to hire a homeschooling-friendly certified teacher to look over your portfolio (which can be in any form you want) at the end of the school year in 2012, talk with you and your kid a bit, and write up a report of educational progress. I'm sure your local homeschool group has the names of people in your area who do this regularly, possibly other homeschooling parents who were teachers and maintained their credentials. It really won't require much of you at all...
post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by SundayCrepes View Post
Cosmeo.com This looks interesting. I don't want to do the free trial since we're not letting our son do much computer time at this age.

What you're saying is that each state's standards are available here to look at? Also, there are programs connected to those standards to help the kids learn?
It goes by state, then grade level, and finally by each subject - and yeah it does link to stuff that fulfills that standard.

Here is a sample of some of the FL K level math....I just copy and pasted a few of the listing to give you an idea.....

GRK - MA.A.3.1.1.K.1. The student demonstrates and describes the effect of putting together and taking apart sets of objects (for example, 3 cubes and 4 cubes is 7 cubes).

(videos meeting this standard)
GRK - MA.A.3.1.1.K.2. The student uses a number line to demonstrate how to count up and count back from a given number.

(videos meeting this standard)

GRK - MA.A.3.1.2.K.1. The student creates and acts out number stories using objects.

(videos meeting this standard)

GRK - MA.A.3.1.2.K.2. The student knows strategies for solving number problems.

(videos meeting this standard)

GRK - MA.A.3.1.3.K.1. The student demonstrates an awareness of addition and subtraction in everyday activities (using concrete objects, models, drawings, role playing).



Also you can input the ISBN of your text book and input a page number, and problem number - It actually explains/shows the solution and how to get it - helps both the kiddos and the lost parent with homework. Not very applicable for most homeschoolers - but awesome non-the-less.

(videos meeting this standard)
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by Dar View Post
Well, first off, in Florida you don't have to do anything until he's 6.

And I think the easiest way to meet the law would be to hire a homeschooling-friendly certified teacher to look over your portfolio (which can be in any form you want) at the end of the school year in 2012, talk with you and your kid a bit, and write up a report of educational progress. I'm sure your local homeschool group has the names of people in your area who do this regularly, possibly other homeschooling parents who were teachers and maintained their credentials. It really won't require much of you at all...

Honestly, I thought that the teachers would have to be special certified teachers or something - some extra credential or something like that. that there would be a list of evaluators given to me to choose from my the school.
Cuz if it is just any FL teacher, I have a cousin who is teacher/disciplinary dean at a MS and his wife is a elem teacher. Maybe I will just ask them to eval him and make life lots easier!!

Thanks!
post #12 of 17
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Originally Posted by naturegirl7 View Post
It goes by state, then grade level, and finally by each subject - and yeah it does link to stuff that fulfills that standard.

Here is a sample of some of the FL K level math....I just copy and pasted a few of the listing to give you an idea.....
Thanks. I looked at the website. It looks really good. My son is only 4 and I'm not ready for him to do much computer time, yet. I've bookmarked this and will come back to it when he's 6 or 7.
post #13 of 17
I know there are plenty of unschoolers in FLA, so it can definitely be easily be done within the laws. Here's a thread with lots of ideas on how to easily describe what you're doing - Records and "progress reports" for unschoolers? If you find a teacher to go through who can speak this language with you, it should be easy to fill the requirements without having to interfere with your son's education do it.

Lillian
post #14 of 17
If he doesn't legally have to be enrolled at all til age 6, then I would just leave it be til then and research a bit about fulfilling state requirements in the meantime.

Also, I don't know a lot about the requirements, but it sounds like with the activities that he likes to do, a photography-based portfolio documenting his activities and a notebook that you write down what you see him learning might be very helpful.
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by craft_media_hero View Post
If he doesn't legally have to be enrolled at all til age 6, then I would just leave it be til then and research a bit about fulfilling state requirements in the meantime.

Also, I don't know a lot about the requirements, but it sounds like with the activities that he likes to do, a photography-based portfolio documenting his activities and a notebook that you write down what you see him learning might be very helpful.
That's what I did when we were enrolled with a school's "homeschooling" program our first year. I kept a journal of my observations, and kept photos of everything going on. I even took a picture of a game board he was in the process of playing with - and pictures at our local homeschool support group's park day and other activities. But, as you said, that's all something to think about when the time comes... - Lillian
post #16 of 17
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Thanks ladies! I think I am on the eight track with the blog for the portfolio. I take pics of EVERYTHING. Our nature walks, his clay sculptures, his various contraptions. Mianly cuz it is just so cool, but also cuz I think it will be useful in the portfolio. But I love to chronicle everything with photos - such a nice way to freeze frame a moment in time. Thank goodness for digital cameras! lol
post #17 of 17
We did portfolio style reviews when we lived in Maryland. They were pretty easy as far as what we had to show them. I organized what we did by subject to make it easier for the reviewer. So, if we went to the zoo, I would stick the pictures under "Science."
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