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post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
Hi everyone,

I'm trying to have post titles that don't attract onlookers.





I wrote previously about my dd still sleeping with her dad. About 1 month ago, she came home and told me that she is now sleeping on the sofa. I don't know the details, not sure she really is. CPS was called by an unnamed person and I think they may have visited his house to see where she was sleeping. All the sudden she was sleeping on the sofa now. Still no privacy, her own room or even a closet with her things. (in fact she has very few clothes because he says she is there so little that he shouldn't have to buy her clothing. Otherwise he buys my son clothing, or obtains it from friends.

My son is in the hospital. He had a break down and is extremely angry at his dad. He's taking out his frustration on me and says he doesn't know how to stop it. Anyway, he will be there from 7 to 14 days.

The story continues to unfold and he told me that he and his dad have fist fights. Then later he told me that he is hitting his dad, not dad hitting him. I'm not sure what to believe...as this is one of the things he mentioned during his evaluation the other night.

I'm very sad for my kids. My son wants his dad to participate in his life, it appears that he is incapable of doing that. I visited my son today and he asked if his dad had called. I didn't tell him that his dad said that I will "pay" for taking him to the hospital. I just said he called, I informed him and left it at that. My son said, "I don't think he will come here and visit me". I wept for my son. He just wants his dad to be his dad, and no one can make it happen, and my son thinks he can. He has been trying to get his dad to father him since he was 5 years or younger. His dad has problems, and now he is causing my son to have more problems.

My kids have been having intensive therapy for the last 6 months (more for my son) and my ex has told the therapy office NOT TO BILL his insurance. Now my daughter is not getting to talk to the therapist, unless she goes in with my other daughter. It is so mess up and mixed up. My prayer is that I will find a strong attorney to help me get this straightened out, or help me get my kids permanently. My children are being destroyed by the mental illness of my ex. He has OCD, and maybe bipolar. Every one of my friends who knows my children well says that his stressful homelife and behaviour are devastating my children. However, none of them has actually been in his home. They just know how my children have changed drastically in the last 5 years...going from extreemly confident and happy kids, to stressed out and desperate.

I know none of you can physically change this, but please just hold our family in your prayers and thoughts. I am fighting for my kids, and I don't plan to lose.
post #2 of 20
Sweetie, I continue to pray for you and your dear sweet children. I'm so so so sorry this is happening and I wish that I could do something to make it better. Hang in there.
post #3 of 20
Thread Starter 
I just wanted to add that only my daughter is not allowed to have therapy...but again my son is. He freaked out on the staff (via phone) twice now, and the just told me that unless I get a court order, then they can work with her. Is that even legal?

Thank you Momof4peppers for your prayers.
post #4 of 20
I've been thinking of you... sorry things are so rough right now. Maybe with CPS and the hospital personnel involved in your kids' lives now things will improve?
post #5 of 20
I'm glad to see an update from you. I'm sorry you and your DC are still dealing with all of this. Have you thought about speaking with the social worker at the hospital? I wish I had more to offer. I'll keep your family in my prayers.
post #6 of 20
I am SO sorry.

I take it you have joint custody?

Otherwise, you could choose to send her to therapy and have insurance (even his insurance) cover it. He can't dictate what his insurance company does/doesn't pay for. If he has agreed to pay for insurance -- great, but he can't dictate what medical services are/are not covered.

Could you get CPS/school social worker or someone else in a position of authority to recommend therapy for your daughter--would that help?

So so sorry that your children are hurting.

M
post #7 of 20
So are you actively finding a lawyer, today? I mean, this visit to the hospital - FISTFIGHTS - your poor daughter - it all has to stop. You have a lot of stuff on your ex. He may threaten you - but you know what? He threatens you because he's scared - he KNOWS what he's doing is wrong. Don't be afraid. Bring it to light. Your kids need you to really stand up for them.

I know the kids need therapy, but first and foremost I would seek legal help to get them the he** out of there. Are the social workers at the hospital not guiding you? Is no one concerned that fistfights are breaking out with this boy and his father - it doesn't matter even if your son did "start" it - your ex should not allow it to happen, plus from the way it sounds, your ex is very well capable of that craziness. And your son is seeing all the weirdness with his sister sleeping with her father - Court. You need to go to court, right away.
post #8 of 20
I'm so sorry things are so difficult. CPS has free temporary therapy. They have Family Preservation Services and Family Restoration Services which are available to anyone who needs the help. I have called and made use of it even though I had no prior dealings with them. The social worker at the children's hospital suggested it after I brought my son into the ER so many times for his aggressive outbursts. We were assigned a wonderful therapist who came to our home once a week and also advocated for us with the school district and collaborated with my son's other team members. This might be a useful service for you, too.
post #9 of 20
Thread Starter 
About my daughter...I have the final decision making ability on medical (and other things). All I have to do is talk to the father, and then if he doesn't agree, or come up with something that is equally helpful or better, then I can decide to go ahead even if he doesn't want to. I showed this (PPP) to the office manager at the counseling office, but she said unless he agreed, they could not treat her and bill.

About my son...I will see him tomarrow. The therapist is arranging a family counseling time, and after talking to me and hearing that my ex broke my wrist nearly two years ago, she has decided to not have full family therapy, but to have us parents come in seperately. I think it is the best thing, and it may allow my son to talk to his dad without my presence because otherwise his dad may get up and walk out. If it is intimate...just therapist and him, he could hear some things and perhaps take to heart. Don't jump on me. I pray for him to change. Maybe one day after hearing my son talk to him and express how horrible he feels, his dad will do some changing. Otherwise, it allows me to participate in therapy with my son, without the constant interruptions from my ex. He never stops talking when we get into a session, and instead of how he can change, he drags up old issues from 10 years or further. My son is sick of this, and he doesn't even want to hear the two of us talking to each other it upsets him so much. I've chosen to not talk to his dad in person or on the phone anymore, and emailed him to tell him that. His dad may not respond so positively to all of this, but I can do my best to eleviate the emotional pain my son is feeling, and leave the rest to my son to remember...some things you can change, some things are not worth the energy to change, and some things you cannot change, especially when it involves another human being.

Thank you for all the messages. I'll know more about what I will do after talking to the therapist tomarrow. This is very hard not having my son here. I'm glad he is in a place where he can get professional help, and he is safe too.
post #10 of 20
Thread Starter 
Kavamamakava....I'll check out the free service from CPS. Would that be counseling for my kids or for me?

Unfortunately, here in my state, a child has to die or nearly die for anyone to be concerned. That is why I need an attorney.

Also, did CPS investigate your claim and did they actually help you in court after the counseling?

Thanks for the info.
post #11 of 20
Thread Starter 
My son and I had a great therapy session yesterday. Apparently the session with dad didn't go well, but he came back today and "listened" to my son. This made my son feel better. I don't know if dad will change...or make any adjustments for my son.

I think it may get better, because now we have this information about how my son is doing, out in the open..between the therapist, my son, and us.

Apparently he was walking on clouds at the hospital after today. Fortunately, my son will be coming home tomarrow, and from there he will have more intense therapy immediately after getting out of the hospital..sometime on Mon or Tues. We have appointments scheduled every week, but apparently the therapist was not taking it to a level that was needed. I'll give him some time to work with my son, and if things don't improve, I may find a new therapist.

Anyway, just a little information to share...things are very difficult with my ex...and the doctors there called my ex a "peice of work". You know know him or me, but that gives you an idea of what is going on.
post #12 of 20
I'm glad your therapist has a better idea of the situation now and that you son feels better. Hopefully the therapist will now be able to address the issues with your son on the level he needs.

Your ex sounds much like mine, but I think we've had that discussion. Have you done any reading on sociopaths? I believe my ex is one, of course I'm not a trained professional, but he fits many of the characteristics. Anyway, I just thought I'd throw that out there as it may be helpful for you in dealing with your ex and additionally guiding your DS through this. Describing your ex as "a piece of work" is what made me think of that, especially since it was the doctors who said that. s to you and your DC as you all deal with this. I hope you are able to find an attorney who will represent you all and really help you.
post #13 of 20
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Originally Posted by Jyotsna View Post
Kavamamakava....I'll check out the free service from CPS. Would that be counseling for my kids or for me?

Unfortunately, here in my state, a child has to die or nearly die for anyone to be concerned. That is why I need an attorney.

Also, did CPS investigate your claim and did they actually help you in court after the counseling?

Thanks for the info.
The counseling is called Family Preservation Services and is directed at the children but includes the family. I chose to have home visits but I do think you can choose to go to your assigned therapist's office. It's a temporary program and is only meant as a response to a crisis type situation (which I think you are in). I called because my son was having extreme aggressive outbursts at home and I didn't know what else to do and he didn't seem to qualify for any services through insurance or otherwise.
The intake was over the phone and I told them I did not have an open case with CPS. The therapist they assigned also attended meetings at the school with me so I don't think it's beyond the scope for a therapist to assist in court proceedings by offering their observations.
post #14 of 20
As always, I am keeping you and your children in my thoughts and prayers. I have a feeling this trip to the hospital may be what your children need to help them.

You are all loved and supported. I know there is a way for your children to thrive once again.

Sending you all love, peace and the support you need.
post #15 of 20
i could not read this and not post a . i am sorry that you are having to endure this. i know that you will know what is right. i will be thinking of your family.
post #16 of 20
Just wanted to share some (((hugs))) and good thoughts for you!
post #17 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thank you for your posts...my son is now out of the hospital. This is a weekend for my ex, so my son and daughter are there right now. I will see my son tomarrow, and they will be home Sunday night.

Lots for us both to work through, and time to be more firm with how one can behave in our family.

Whatever is going on with Dad...I really hope he gets help. I feel terrible for my son...desperate. The hospital staff were shocked that my ex would behave like he did...talking about his credentials to try to shut up the Dr (psych) who treats my son. Trying to stop my son from saying the things he needed to say to his dad, getting up and walking out on the therapy session with my son, coming back the next day and actually listening to my son. Those are things out of my reach. They were not impressed with him, and my son was less impressed. I am especially thinking about my son (and daughter) being with their dad this weekend, and what conversations would actually take place there away from me, that could have a negative reaction on my kids.

Keep them in your thoughts this weekend.
post #18 of 20
I'm so sorry you are dealing with all of this and that your children are also having to endure. Your children are fortunate to have you in their corner fighting for them. Stay strong mama.
post #19 of 20
Thread Starter 
My kids are with their dad this weekend. We had the big Italian festival this weekend, and their dad actually allowed me to hang on to them when he wanted to leave (my son was volunteering with the Scouts). So I got to spend a few hours with my kids, having fun, singing kareoke, watching the kids do rock climbing (not the real stuff) and more. My feet are tired, but my heart happy.

He was a b*tch about it when the kids were supposed to go back, so he hasn't changed his mind about being crazy...apparently he had something he wanted to do...but I spent time with my dd1 and ds during the time he had them for parenting time, and I was thrilled.

That will probably never happen again. But I saw my kids and they were safe.
I volunteered with my son for 1 of the two hour shifts and that was nice seeing him at work.

Even with all his troubles, he is still a regular teen inside. After we finished working, some girls saw him (from his old elementary school) and they were adoring him, asking for his facebook account ect. He is quite cute! I guess no one asked for a phone number anymore!
post #20 of 20
jyotsna you and your family have been in my thoughts all the time. so i am grateful for the update to know what's going on.

i see life is crazy all around here. seems like the world is going 'mad'. so many peoples lives affected.

gosh all that your poor son has to deal with along with the usual teen stuff.

oh boy on top of that you have a cute kid. i am glad that he at least has that to keep him grounded. i am so glad he is getting that attention.

that at least there is some relief in this nightmare.

gosh how time flies. it seems just the other day your son was a just a little boy.
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