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Neighbor screams at his daughter

post #1 of 31
Thread Starter 
I live on a quiet cul-de-sac. The neighbor across the cul-de-sac from me is a single dad to two daughters (17 and 13 yos). His wife (and their mom) passed away about 5 years ago.

The entire neighborhood seems to know this guy has anger issues. He's gone into these massive tirade/obscenity-filled rages at different people over the years because of various things. He cussed out my DH in front of our 3 yo because our cat wandered through his yard (and then threatened to kill our cat if she ever did it again). Another neighbor is pretty certain he killed their cat for a similar reason. According to other neighbors, he's also gone into these rages at the golf club.

We moved in after his wife died, but most of the neighbors have been here for decades and said he used to be a normal, nice guy. Although his daughter told another neighbor girl that her dad has mental health problems and doesn't take his meds.

He screams at his 13yo this way, too. Today he pulled up in his car, she was with him (I was sitting in the front yard with my kids), as he opened his door he was screaming "SHUT THE F*** UP YOU STUPID PIECE OF S***" He must have yelled it three or four times at her. She was crying in the passenger seat. I was on the verge of going over there to say something, but I'm honestly scared of the guy. He's got a large stash of guns in his house, too (he's a hunter) and regularly talks about his collection. I feel really bad that I didn't do something...I mean, who talks to anyone, let along their own kid that way?? This is not the first time I've heard him talk to her like this. His screaming and obscenities can be heard when his doors and windows are shut.

Anyway, I'm not sure what I can do. I talked to another neighbor (one of the many grandmotherly types on the street who's known the 13 yo since she was a baby). She said she's been concerned for the 13yo because the dad obviously favors the older daughter and seems to take out his anger on the younger one. She said she's been watching and has told he 13yo to come to their house if she ever needs someone. The older daughter is going away to college in the fall.

We are in the process of selling our house (and being away from this guy is going to be a HUGE relief), and the 13yo is devastated. She loves playing with my kids (kind of like a big sister) and I'm really worried about how she'll do when she doesn't have her older sister there and the little neighbor boys have moved away. She goes to Catholic school in another town and doesn't appear to have friends in the neighborhood. She spends hours outside with my boys every afternoon.

Is there anything I can do? Besides be supportive of her while we live here?
post #2 of 31
Tough situation for the two girls.

I totally get you don't want to approach the guy, for fear that anger gets shot at you. Avoid the guy is plain common sense.

However, if you see something happen, but you do nothing, you are indirectly approving his behavior. Your silence says it is ok to yell you are a stupid piece of sh*t.... IMO, if you really want to help, instead of talking with the neighbors about it, why not talk with the 13 yo next time she comes over to your house to play with your kids? Just be open and honest with her. Tell her it is so NOT OK for her dad, to say that to her.... Listen to her if she wants to talk....
post #3 of 31
Call child protective services.

You are clearly doing all you can to give her a place to spend time away from that abuse, so that is wonderful.

To me this is a situation that requires extra outside professional help.

-Melanie
post #4 of 31
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Originally Posted by sebandg'smama View Post
Call child protective services.

You are clearly doing all you can to give her a place to spend time away from that abuse, so that is wonderful.

To me this is a situation that requires extra outside professional help.


i'm not one to jump on people for losing their temper now and then, but it sounds like this guy is way out of control. if the older girl is going away to college, and the younger one will be there alone with him... that would definitely worry me.

i would call child services.
post #5 of 31
Thread Starter 
Thank you for the responses. I thought about calling CPS but I'm wondering whether yelling obscenities at your child is considered abuse? I looked up the Maryland CPS and it seems to be about neglect and physical signs of abuse. I realize, obviously, that verbal abuse is very damaging, but am not sure the state would consider it serious enough.
post #6 of 31
Outside help might be beneficial.

Loosing a spouse is hard and as a man he has less resources.

I would also give her your email address.
post #7 of 31
can you perhaps call the school? I know my (public) school had counselors that would help out with this sort of thing. If she goes to private school, perhaps the rescourses would be even better?
post #8 of 31
Ditto everyone else, plus when you do move, give her your phone #. You could be a lifeline for this kid. Good for you.

Let us know what happens. CPS can offer services to this family, which are probably needed--badly.

ETA: When you call CPS, tell them about the guns. A guy with rage/anger problems + guns = potentially bad scenario. I'm sure that's information they'd like to have.
post #9 of 31
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Originally Posted by BetsyNY View Post

ETA: When you call CPS, tell them about the guns. A guy with rage/anger problems + guns = potentially bad scenario. I'm sure that's information they'd like to have.
definitely!
post #10 of 31
I would call CPS also. I don't think they would remove the girl from the home but maybe it would get his attention. Maybe they would force him to get help.
This poor girl needs someone to be on her side.
post #11 of 31
My father became like that after my mother died. I still wonder why no one ever did anything to help us.

I agree with all the pp, call CPS, talk to someone at her school, and please, please, please, offer to talk to her and give her your number to her when you move away. Like her, I went to a school in a different neighborhood and had no friends where I lived. I cannot express in words how completely alone I felt.

I think that her just knowing that you're there for her will make a big difference in to her. It's great that she has someone like you looking out for her.
post #12 of 31
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Originally Posted by BetsyNY View Post

ETA: When you call CPS, tell them about the guns. A guy with rage/anger problems + guns = potentially bad scenario. I'm sure that's information they'd like to have.


And the fact that he threatened to kill your cat.
post #13 of 31
post #14 of 31
Yes, call CPS. Let them determine if they feel that abuse is happening. Perhaps just having someone come talk to him will wake him up a little to how awful his behavior is.

Even if he doesn't hurt her, her being a teen in that sort of situation is a recipe for disaster and she might take to hurting herself. She needs protection and while I don't blame you for not having the confidence to actually provide that protection yourself, you can do something. I would be afraid to approach a man full of rage who brags about his guns too. But calling CPS is something you can do.
post #15 of 31
I agree with everyone else. Also, be sure to give her your phone number when you move and let her know she can call you if she ever needs help.
post #16 of 31
It's rare to have consensus (or anything even approaching that) to call CPS in this community. So I guess that says something.
post #17 of 31
I agree with everyone else on calling CPS however you mentioned that you can actually hear his tirades from outside the home. Honestly the next time I heard one I would be calling the cops to do a *welfare check* due to a disturbance over there because it make take some time even days before CPS actually made it over there. who knows what is actually going on behind closed doors
post #18 of 31
Yep, I'd call the cops the next time I heard him rage, and I'd make sure the dispatcher knows that he has guns, and has threatened to kill your cat.

Then call the school and talk to the counselor about your concerns.

Then, call CPS. If there's no physical abuse, they probably won't be able to do anything, but at least it'll establish a paper trail. This poor kid has been living with his anger for 5 years -- that's a long time.

And I agree, talk to her the next time she's over. Let her know that you can hear her dad, and that you don't think it's OK. Give her your phone number and tell her "if you're ever afraid, come over or call".
post #19 of 31
Thread Starter 
Thanks everyone so much for the great advice. I feel better knowing I'm not overreacting. I am going to call CPS, but I am really, really scared. Mainly because if he knew it was me....well, I would be really fearing for our safety.

Does anyone know how the process works? Is it completely anonymous? If I give the example of the recent tirade I witnessed, will they tell him someone reported that specifically? (Because he saw me sitting there and I was the only neighbor outside...so it wouldn't be hard to connect the dots.)

I will give her my contact info -- she is graduating from middle school and I was planning to give her a card and gift card anyway...so it would be a good chance to also give her my number.
post #20 of 31
I have done this before on a neighbor. When the screaming was happening, I stayed inside my home and called the police. I told them there was a disturbance happening, and told them I wished to remain anonymous in reporting it. The police can be much faster than CPS. If they show up during his tirade, or shortly after, that may scare him enough to alter his behavior.

You have a responsibility to do something. People choosing to 'not get involved' may result in tragic events, or continued abuse.
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