Charting to Avoid/Fertility Awareness, June 2010 - Page 27

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by AnnieA

I keep looking at the test thinking "WTH?" Like I'm surprised or something! Oh and thanks BTW!

Hehe. It takes a while to sink in. I'm so happy for you because I know how much you wanted this.

[AnnieA]

Originally Posted by MarineWife

Hehe. It takes a while to sink in. I'm so happy for you because I know how much you wanted this.

I have been wanting this for a long time but right now, all I can think is "Grrrrr, I can't have my coffee in the morning!" I am a VERY routine-driven person and that is going to throw me off for the whole day!

I still don't understand my chart. Based on the rules that I teach, I *should* have been able to consider myself safe on CD 16 because that temp was above the LTL. So I have no clue what was going on with my temps on CD 13 and 14. I just discarded them and FF gives me solid CH for CD 15.

My chart: http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1f0436

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by AnnieA

I have been wanting this for a long time but right now, all I can think is "Grrrrr, I can't have my coffee in the morning!" I am a VERY routine-driven person and that is going to throw me off for the whole day!

I still don't understand my chart. Based on the rules that I teach, I *should* have been able to consider myself safe on CD 16 because that temp was above the LTL. So I have no clue what was going on with my temps on CD 13 and 14. I just discarded them and FF gives me solid CH for CD 15.

My chart: http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1f0436

There must have been something wrong with those temps. Based on your BD timing I don't see any way you could've Oed before cd15 and gotten pg.

They say up to 2 caffeinated drinks a day is ok while pg. I mix regular and decaf half and half so I can have 2 cups but only get 1 cup's worth of caffeine.

[onetwoten]

Congrats Annie!

[MovingMomma]

Originally Posted by AnnieA

I still don't understand my chart. Based on the rules that I teach, I *should* have been able to consider myself safe on CD 16 because that temp was above the LTL. So I have no clue what was going on with my temps on CD 13 and 14. I just discarded them and FF gives me solid CH for CD 15.

My chart: http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1f0436

Annie, what rules do you use, exactly? The new CCLI rules? I gather it's not TAoNFP rules. According to my understanding of TAoNFP, you wouldn't be safe until CD 18 at the earliest. Since Peak Day is CD 15, it's clear you aren't safe CD 14 (*cough, cough*). TAoNFP addresses the mid-shift dip on p. 399:

If your temp. starts to rise and then dips down to or below the pre-shift LTL, the normal rule is this: restart your thermal shift count. Wait for three elevated temps beyond the dip for the temp indication of the start of Phase III. If you have a most serious reason to avoid pregnancy, you would want to follow this rule. On the other hand, if your reason for postponing pregnancy is good but not crucial, you might be able to follow a more relaxed interpretation. If you are well experienced in your mucus and cervix signs, and if these indicate P+5 or more, you might not need to wait for a full three days past the dip.

[AnnieA]

Originally Posted by MovingMomma

Annie, what rules do you use, exactly? The new CCLI rules? I gather it's not TAoNFP rules. According to my understanding of TAoNFP, you wouldn't be safe until CD 18 at the earliest. Since Peak Day is CD 15, it's clear you aren't safe CD 14 (*cough, cough*). TAoNFP addresses the mid-shift dip on p. 399:

So the rule that I teach is that if the third high temp is not at or above the HTL (we call it the full thermal shift) then you need to wait until the 4th high temp to see if it is above the LTL (we call it the pre-rise baseline). Now the issue with my CF is that it was not abnormal for me to see EWCF on CD 13. We DTD in the morning on CD 14 so I wasn't sure what I was seeing throughout the day, if it was CF or SF. The rule to restart your count is a good one I think.

At any rate, there's a darker line on the FRER this AM so I called it on FF. I want to feel like this but I'm scared that it won't stick around. Crampy this AM but no spotting.

My chart: http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1f0436

[BarefootScientist]

OMG Annie BIG congratulations! I know this was a total oops (user error) pregnancy, but I also know you've been wanting it for a while.

Big s too because I know how ambivalent and crazy an unexpected, even if very much wanted, pregnancy can make you feel.

H&H 9 months!

[MovingMomma]

Originally Posted by AnnieA

So the rule that I teach is that if the third high temp is not at or above the HTL (we call it the full thermal shift) then you need to wait until the 4th high temp to see if it is above the LTL (we call it the pre-rise baseline).

Yes, but what if the 3rd "high" temp is below the LTL? B/c TAoNFP treats a drop during the shift that stays above the LTL much less cautiously.

I'm praying that your baby sticks. I think early +hpts are kind of a mixed blessing and can be nervewracking!

[Baby_Cakes]

Huge congrats, Annie!!

I'm now studying your chart, too, but I'm a little lost on two abbreviations. What are HTL and LTL? I know about the 3 high temps rule and I know they have something to do w/that but I would love to know the terminology.

and also b/c I know how scary it is all of a sudden to hope that little bean sticks. Sending you lots and lots of sticky bean vibes and wishing you a H&H 9 mo!!

[AnnieA]

Thanks for all the well wishes and sticky vibes. It's helpful that my DH has not freaked out. I keep waiting for it though! He seems more calm about it than I am which is odd.

Baby Cakes, I'm not sure exactly what they stand for. I don't use those abbreviations in my class. We call them the pre-rise baseline, which is the highest of the last six low temps and the full thermal shift which is .4 degrees above the pre-rise baseline.

MM: I'm not sure how my method's rules would handle that third "high" temp. I need to ask our director. She's in the process of getting her oldest off for a month of summer school so she is a little swamped. But I guess if we had waited until CD 16, which is what we should have done according to my rules, then we probably would have been safe.

[dex_millie]

Originally Posted by jeninejessica

Sorry to drag this one up again... do you mean CD28 or may 28? I just wondered if that's why we were missing the two temps there, because you said you stopped temping after three rising temps. If it was may 28, then who knows, you may have still been fertile, can't tell without the missing/inaccurate temps. But if yes it was CD28, then yeah, I think we can safely say it should be a W/D error.

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Yes I meant CD28 NOT May 28th my temps did not even rise yet on a steady bases on that date, in other words on June 4th(CD28) is when we DTD unprotected. I stopped temping after the 3 rises which is on June 4th that is why there is not other temps recorded after those rises.

[lyterae]

Originally Posted by AnnieA

Well ladies, there's a line. It's very faint but it has plenty of color.

Originally Posted by AnnieA

At any rate, there's a darker line on the FRER this AM so I called it on FF. I want to feel like this but I'm scared that it won't stick around. Crampy this AM but no spotting.

My chart: http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/1f0436

Annie! I'm so excited for you!

I finally threw my test away, it had been sitting on the counter since Friday because I still can't believe there was actually two lines on it!

[AnnieA]

Originally Posted by lyterae

Annie! I'm so excited for you!

I finally threw my test away, it had been sitting on the counter since Friday because I still can't believe there was actually two lines on it!

Mine are still sitting on the bathroom counter! The kids are at their mom's house this week so no worries of someone discovering it.

[pinkgeek]

Any pictures?

[AnnieA]

Originally Posted by pinkgeek

Any pictures?

I'm trying! DSS 15 used the camera last and I can't find the cable to connect it to the computer! I'll look again tonight.

[MarineWife]

Annie ~ Your chart is beautiful! This baby is going to stick. There's no reason for it not to. Wonderful that your dh is being cool about it.

With FAM, you wouldn't be able to consider yourself safe until well after cd15 with those ambiguous temps, depending on how long you had either ewcf or semen obscuring your CF. With FAM, if semen is obscuring CF, you are supposed to assume it's fertile and use caution. Also, with all that spotting and no clear sustained thermal shift, I don't know if, technically, you would ever have been able to consider yourself safe. Those temps are way too confusing.

That's why I like the line tests over the digitals. The lines stick around for a long time. The digitals only last a few days. Then they go blank.

AFM, I got EWCF today. Hopefully, O will be soon. I had to yell at dh again last night. He said he was leaving OK around noon on July 9 and should be home July 10. There's no way he could do that. It's normally a 2 1/2-3 day drive. He said he wanted to get home so badly he wasn't going to stop. I told him I didn't like that idea. It won't do anyone any good if he gets home quickly in a bodybag. Then he said if he got tired, he'd pull over and nap in his car for a few hours. Again, I said , "Uh, uh." Finally, he agreed to stop and sleep in a hotel for a while when he got tired but he still plans to get home on the 10th, just later.

[AnnieA]

Originally Posted by MarineWife

Annie ~ Your chart is beautiful! This baby is going to stick. There's no reason for it not to. Wonderful that your dh is being cool about it.

With FAM, you wouldn't be able to consider yourself safe until well after cd15 with those ambiguous temps, depending on how long you had either ewcf or semen obscuring your CF. With FAM, if semen is obscuring CF, you are supposed to assume it's fertile and use caution. Also, with all that spotting and no clear sustained thermal shift, I don't know if, technically, you would ever have been able to consider yourself safe. Those temps are way too confusing.

That's why I like the line tests over the digitals. The lines stick around for a long time. The digitals only last a few days. Then they go blank.

AFM, I got EWCF today. Hopefully, O will be soon. I had to yell at dh again last night. He said he was leaving OK around noon on July 9 and should be home July 10. There's no way he could do that. It's normally a 2 1/2-3 day drive. He said he wanted to get home so badly he wasn't going to stop. I told him I didn't like that idea. It won't do anyone any good if he gets home quickly in a bodybag. Then he said if he got tired, he'd pull over and nap in his car for a few hours. Again, I said , "Uh, uh." Finally, he agreed to stop and sleep in a hotel for a while when he got tired but he still plans to get home on the 10th, just later.

Thanks for saying all of this...it really helps.

As for your DH...men! What are you going to do with them?!? Glad he agreed to get a hotel room.

[RaraAvis]

Originally Posted by MarineWife

He said he wanted to get home so badly he wasn't going to stop.

It is kind of sweet though -- it must be hard to have the family seperated so long.

AnnieA: YAY, hurray! I'm so glad your DH isn't bummed! And I'm SO glad for you! I crashed our car the day I found out I was pregnant with my DD -- I was totally sleepwalking -- I just couldn't believe I was on a one-way track to motherville. The only reason I'm glad pregancy lasts 9 months -- it takes me that long to close with the idea!

[annie2186]

CONGRATS AnnieA!!!!!!!!!!

Wow - I am thinking I am giving up DTD until all these pregnancies are over

AFM - I guess I O'd

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/26af7e

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by annie2186

CONGRATS AnnieA!!!!!!!!!!

Wow - I am thinking I am giving up DTD until all these pregnancies are over

AFM - I guess I O'd

http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/26af7e

Are you serious? I don't see it.

There do seem to be a lot of pgs lately, especially after the long stretch with none. Is anyone keeping track? I noticed that was dropped from the front page of the thread. If we count dex_millie, it's at least 3 this month, right?