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post #21 of 39
If I were you, I would quit WW, eat more calories in the form of meat (and eggs) and vegetables, nuts and seeds, some fruit, little starch and NO sugar. In other words, no dairy, grains, or legumes. You want to eat more fat, like pookietooth said.

No offense to WW, but they're totally wrong. Losing weight is not about caloric retriction, alone. You have to eat fat to lose fat. When you eat carbohydrates in excess, your body stores those carbs as fat. And, if I am doing the math correctly and 2 points is 100 calories, then that means you're trying to survive AND nurse on 1400-1500 calories/day. You're going to want to eat more like 2000-2500 calories/day, depending on your size.

The majority of your calories should come from fat, like almonds, olive oil, etc. You will need carbs, still, but you want to get them from fruits/veggies b/c it is hard to overeat on that stuff. Make sure to eat protein and fat and vegetables at every meal and snack.

Hope that helps. PM me if you want more info.
post #22 of 39
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Originally Posted by jenrett View Post
If I were you, I would quit WW, eat more calories in the form of meat (and eggs) and vegetables, nuts and seeds, some fruit, little starch and NO sugar. In other words, no dairy, grains, or legumes. You want to eat more fat, like pookietooth said.

No offense to WW, but they're totally wrong. Losing weight is not about caloric retriction, alone. You have to eat fat to lose fat. When you eat carbohydrates in excess, your body stores those carbs as fat. And, if I am doing the math correctly and 2 points is 100 calories, then that means you're trying to survive AND nurse on 1400-1500 calories/day. You're going to want to eat more like 2000-2500 calories/day, depending on your size.

The majority of your calories should come from fat, like almonds, olive oil, etc. You will need carbs, still, but you want to get them from fruits/veggies b/c it is hard to overeat on that stuff. Make sure to eat protein and fat and vegetables at every meal and snack.

Hope that helps. PM me if you want more info.

I really do not think I can "quit" ww considering it is my lifestyle. WW is what allowed me to lose over 80lbs a few years before getting pregnant and keep it off. WW has never said losing weight is about calorie restriction alone. They push healthy fats and activity also. I am not saying you are wrong and do not intend to sound defensive. I am just trying to explain. When I lost those 80+ pounds I simply counted points (and exercised). At that time in my life I ate like crap even though I was losing weight. Lots of low fat, no fat, sugar free crap not many fruits and veggies. I ate whatever I wanted as long as it fit my daily points and it the weight came off so easily. After I hit my goal weight I cleaned up my diet. Now I eat very little processed food, mostly whole foods, use EVOO to cook and bake bread/crusts. I take daily fish oil supplements. We have salmon 1-2 times per week. I do not eat many nuts or PB (I make my own) because they are so easy for me to over do. Everytime I tried hard in the past to concentrate on eating balanced meals or getting the correct amount/type of exercise, my weightloss suffered. In turn I tend to concentrate mostly on daily points/calories (if only I could find that magic number while nursing). That said, I do not always eat balanced meals. I read somewhere that healthy fats should make up like 20% of your daily calories. Does that sound right? Also, I am just curious why do you say no dairy, grains, and legumes?

I think I will try your idea and concentrate more on healthy fat while keeping my daily calories around 2000. I will also work on getting protein fat and veggies at every meal. Thanks.
post #23 of 39
My sister, my mom and I all hang onto the weight while nursing. Like we are going to starve or something. I tried loosing weight and I just cut out sugary drinks and my milk dropped by about 3/4. I added it back in and she got my supply up thank goodness. I just have to accept that there is no loosing the pregnancy weight until she weans. Sucky think is she is 2yo this month lol. The weight doesn't bother me as much as knowing I will be ruining the nursing relationship I have with her for something like loosing weight.
post #24 of 39
I fall into the category of women whose body holds onto extra weight while bfing. With dd1 i just could not loose the last 10-15 pounds no matter what I did. Within 3 weeks after weaning, I realized my pants were all looser so I got on the scale and sure enough. They just came off without any extra effort. You might be one of those women.

Another thing to think about is making sure you are getting enough fat. Because if not your body might hold onto the extra to make sure you have enough milk for your lo. But it seems like you are quite educated on this stuff.

With dd2, I had to take out dairy and gluten from my diet due to her reactions and that has actually lead to me dropping a few pounds without any effort. And I truely feel better myself as a result of dropping these foods. I did add in more fat after taking these foods out though because I was hungry all the time. I eat mroe meat and fish than before and I also eat nut. i use nuts and seeds in salad so I just throw a handful on. Its easier to avoid overdoing it that way versus sitting with a bag of nuts or something. I also use nut and legume flours to make pancakes. I also only use whole fat products. I am against "diet" things in general. I think that if you want to have a yogurt have a full fat one. Just don't eat 3. Before taking dairy out, I was using butter to cook or on toast in the mornings ( I was following an anti-candida diet at the time for thrush and also had to eliminate certain staple foods from me diet).

Can i ask, are you eating and drinking to hunger and thirst? I know ww is your lifestyle and it helped you loose before. But maybe with the hormone changes and stuff pp, you need a different approach until you wean. So maybe if you follow your body's cue, you will eat enough of what it needs and the weight will work its self out. Just a thought. Afterall you know your body best.

Anyways, good luck mamma. Keep us updated.
post #25 of 39
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Originally Posted by livinlovinlaughin View Post
I really do not think I can "quit" ww considering it is my lifestyle. WW is what allowed me to lose over 80lbs a few years before getting pregnant and keep it off. WW has never said losing weight is about calorie restriction alone. They push healthy fats and activity also. I am not saying you are wrong and do not intend to sound defensive. I am just trying to explain. When I lost those 80+ pounds I simply counted points (and exercised). At that time in my life I ate like crap even though I was losing weight. Lots of low fat, no fat, sugar free crap not many fruits and veggies. I ate whatever I wanted as long as it fit my daily points and it the weight came off so easily. After I hit my goal weight I cleaned up my diet. Now I eat very little processed food, mostly whole foods, use EVOO to cook and bake bread/crusts. I take daily fish oil supplements. We have salmon 1-2 times per week. I do not eat many nuts or PB (I make my own) because they are so easy for me to over do. Everytime I tried hard in the past to concentrate on eating balanced meals or getting the correct amount/type of exercise, my weightloss suffered. In turn I tend to concentrate mostly on daily points/calories (if only I could find that magic number while nursing). That said, I do not always eat balanced meals. I read somewhere that healthy fats should make up like 20% of your daily calories. Does that sound right? Also, I am just curious why do you say no dairy, grains, and legumes?

I think I will try your idea and concentrate more on healthy fat while keeping my daily calories around 2000. I will also work on getting protein fat and veggies at every meal. Thanks.
Fats should make up more than 20% of your daily calories. I eat a diet that is about 60% calories from fat. That said, you will need more carbohydrates while nursing than while not nursing, so 60% is probably a little high for most people. Remember, you have to eat fat to burn fat. Also, pretty much all fats are "good" fats as long as they are natural - i.e. not hydrogenated. We could get into the talk about Omega 3 vs. Omega 6, but what I'm trying to say is that animal fats are fine (esp. from grass fed animals) so is coconut oil.

I say no grains, dairy, and legumes for a lot of reasons.
1. All of those foods are or MUST BE highly processed to eat them. You cannot eat raw grains (i.e. in their natural state) or legumes, and dairy is highly processed in most places in our country. If you're consuming raw dairy, that's another issue, but I will still recommend against it.
2. Those foods are all very high in carbohydrates. Carbs elicit an insulin response in your body. Chronically elevated insulin is the cause of a heck of a lot of problems, from obesity to heart disease to strokes to diabetes and even to cancer. DAIRY in particular elicits an unusually high insulin response relative to the amount of sugar (lactose) in the dairy, so it's even worse.
3. Grains and legumes (and dairy from grain fed cows) have things called lectins in them which irritate the lining of your small intestine leading to wonderful things from diarrhea to lupus (yes, lupus). Any autoimmune disorder (arthritis, many thyroid problems, alzheimers, etc) is lined to a gluten intolerance. Gluten is the most offensive of all of the lectins in grains, but all grains and legumes have these irritants.

The diet I'm suggesting is called the Paleo Diet. Another poster mentioned it, also (except, unlike what this poster said, you cannot eat rice on the paleo diet). Note that peanuts are legumes.

You most certainly can eat paleo foods in weight watchers proportions.

As an interesting side note, my mom did WW for many, many years. She then adopted the paleo diet and in 6 weeks lost 2 inches from every dimension (hips, chest, waist) and a bunch from legs, arms, etc.

Here's a good website that introduces the primal way of eating (which is very similar to paleo): Mark's Daily Apple.

Let me know if you have any more questions, and good luck to you! Just remember:

Eat meats and vegetables, nuts and seeds, some fruit, little starch, and no sugar.

P.S. You should lose weight on this diet even with NO exercise. Don't get me wrong, exercise is great - I own a gym! But, too much low-intensity exercise is bad. Keep your intensity up (think sprints, not a slow jog) and the workouts short and you'll be fine. Your adrenals might be fried from too much exercise and not enough food!
post #26 of 39
I'm gaining at 3 months pp. *sigh*
post #27 of 39
I've been looking into the Paleo Diet and am very interested in it, I eat very little carbs anyway but just getting away from the last little bit I'm finding hard, it's just a slice of homemade bread in the morning - I love that with my tea and am finding it hard, if I could find that darned coconut flour somewhere here in France I'd change to that but boy is it hard even in the Barbes area of Paris - no one seems to have it at all - I'll just have to keep looking, anyway i think that this is the thing for me and am going to try to introduce it to my mum this summer so that we can work at it together, maybe we can set up a support group on MDC following the Paleo diet and post our successes and pitfalls - anyone up for doing something like that - i'm reckoning I'll need all the support I can get - LOL.
post #28 of 39
I have breast fed 5 kids. All 5 kids I hang onto 15 pounds. No matter what I do those 15 pounds stay. As soon as my kids wean...15 pounds are gone in less then a month.
post #29 of 39
i gain while bf. i gained 11 lbs total, even on full bedrest and not eating great foods, lost 15 at birth, then promptly gained 25. i am still about 20lbs over my pre-pregnancy weight. i read somewhere that some women do not process carbs well while bf, so maybe try limiting carbs?
post #30 of 39
I'm another one who hangs onto weight while bfing, even though I commute to work on a bike (5+ miles one way), dance & do yoga, and put a lot of effort into home cooking with organic ingredients, etc. My daughter is 20 months now and while the weight has slooooooowly been coming off, I'm still hanging on to pregnancy fat. UG! Anyway, you're not alone!

It's encouraging to hear that other moms who seem to fit this profile do sometimes notice that the last pounds melt away when their children wean. I hope that happens for me when DD weans.

In the meantime, I've noticed that what seems to help most is keeping my blood sugar steady throughout the day and night. I focus on avoiding refined foods and I try not to go more than 2-3 hours without eating. I've noticed that if I don't eat a filling bedtime snack, I wake up at 2:00 am and can't get back to sleep until I eat.

Good luck figuring out what works for you!
post #31 of 39
I have 3 kids. With the first 2, as soon as they were weaned, I lost 10 lbs in a month (and then got pregnant again, so not sure if I would've kept losing ). I'm nursing baby #3 right now and I'm pretty sure the same thing will happen, though this time I'm not planning on getting pregnant again.

It's disappointing when everything you've read says that BFing burns so many calories and helps get the weight off, but I think it makes sense that some bodies are going to very efficiently keep the weight to ensure an adequate supply.
post #32 of 39
Not to argue diets, but I lost the most weight being a pescetarian who got fat primarily from olive oil and dairy free butters (dd was allergic, so I had to be 100% dairy free). And I ate mostly carbs and fruit. When I went to a TF diet, I gained the most weight and was never able to put it all off before I got pg again. I'm not trying to argue diets, just saying that 60% fat is a LOT of fat. Not all people do well on the same diet.
post #33 of 39

My DS is 9 months old; is it really possible that I would lose the weight once he's no longer breastfeeding? I'm not going to wean him over it, but it's very tempting. Not only that, I am very irritated that I may not get down to where I should be before we plan to have another child.

Anyone else still struggling? Anyone get over their plateau and if so, how?


Edited by Mulvah - 1/29/11 at 4:00pm
post #34 of 39
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Originally Posted by Mulvah View Post
My DS is 9 months old; is it really possible that I would lose the weight once he's no longer breastfeeding? I'm not going to wean him over it, but it's very tempting. Not only that, I am very irritated that I may not get down to where I should be before we plan to have another child.
FWIW, after baby # two, i ended up at the SAME postpartum weight as after baby #1 despite the fact that I gained 35 lbs in my first pregnancy and only 15 in my second. I expected to be a bit lower on the scales after having only gained 15! my top weight in my second pregnancy was like 15 lbs LESS than in my first and I still ended up at the same weight.
post #35 of 39
I too couldn't loose that last 5-10 lbs or so. SOOOOOO frustrating. The more I restricted the foods I ate the more weight I gained. Finally I gave up and resumed eating my normal pretty healthy diet if not eating a little more, and the weight came right off. Since then I've still had problems retaining water, which is not normal for me at all. Recently however it was discovered that my estrogen levels are way too low and it was causing me health problems (yeah for menopause at 28) once I started estrogen therapy the water weight has come off as well. So for me there were two problems, my metabolism was slowing down when I didn't eat enough food and I had a hormone imbalance.
post #36 of 39
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Originally Posted by Mulvah View Post
Anyone else still struggling? Anyone get over their plateau and if so, how?
I got over my plateau!!!

I didn't post before, but I would have said that when DD was 12 months old, I hadn't lost any weight since 2 weeks postpartum. I was still 35 pounds over my pre-pregnancy weight. I started counting calories, and did a month of the 30 Day Shred, and lost 2 pounds.

Then I started doing Eat to Live. It's a vegan diet with a huge focus on vegetables, fruit, and beans, and limited grains, sugar, salt, and fat. I lost weight really fast...I was back down to my pre-pregnancy weight after maybe 3 months (so 35 lbs lost).

Now DD is 18 months old...I'm 3 pounds under my pre-pregnancy weight, and at the lowest weight of my adult life. DD is still nursing, and I think she's nursing about the same amount as she was at 12 months, when my body was still holding on to the weight. I'm not doing Eat to Live strictly at all anymore (but I'm still mostly vegan, and still eating whole foods cooked from stratch) but I'm staying at this weight. I can't even tell you what a relief it is to have that weight off.
post #37 of 39
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Originally Posted by Juvysen View Post
FWIW, after baby # two, i ended up at the SAME postpartum weight as after baby #1 despite the fact that I gained 35 lbs in my first pregnancy and only 15 in my second. I expected to be a bit lower on the scales after having only gained 15! my top weight in my second pregnancy was like 15 lbs LESS than in my first and I still ended up at the same weight.
This is my concern.

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Originally Posted by harli View Post
I too couldn't loose that last 5-10 lbs or so. SOOOOOO frustrating. The more I restricted the foods I ate the more weight I gained. Finally I gave up and resumed eating my normal pretty healthy diet if not eating a little more, and the weight came right off. Since then I've still had problems retaining water, which is not normal for me at all. Recently however it was discovered that my estrogen levels are way too low and it was causing me health problems (yeah for menopause at 28) once I started estrogen therapy the water weight has come off as well. So for me there were two problems, my metabolism was slowing down when I didn't eat enough food and I had a hormone imbalance.
Interesting. I've been wondering if my hormones are off, but I just don't know.

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Originally Posted by GoGoGirl View Post
I got over my plateau!!!

I didn't post before, but I would have said that when DD was 12 months old, I hadn't lost any weight since 2 weeks postpartum. I was still 35 pounds over my pre-pregnancy weight. I started counting calories, and did a month of the 30 Day Shred, and lost 2 pounds.

Then I started doing Eat to Live. It's a vegan diet with a huge focus on vegetables, fruit, and beans, and limited grains, sugar, salt, and fat. I lost weight really fast...I was back down to my pre-pregnancy weight after maybe 3 months (so 35 lbs lost).

Now DD is 18 months old...I'm 3 pounds under my pre-pregnancy weight, and at the lowest weight of my adult life. DD is still nursing, and I think she's nursing about the same amount as she was at 12 months, when my body was still holding on to the weight. I'm not doing Eat to Live strictly at all anymore (but I'm still mostly vegan, and still eating whole foods cooked from stratch) but I'm staying at this weight. I can't even tell you what a relief it is to have that weight off.
I'm not eating vegan and I won't, but I'm eating tons of veggies and fruits, some beans, and lean proteins. I'm limiting grains and sugar and still, nothing. I'm wondering whether I should give the 30 Day Shred a try because I've heard such good things.

I'm glad you were able to get over your plateau!
post #38 of 39
nak

yup. me too. scale hasn't budged since dd was born. did the same thing w/ DS. Took way over a year to lose 20 lbs.
post #39 of 39
Eating 60-80% raw vegan and doing green smoothies three times a day has helped me and my husband a lot. We feel much better all around.
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