It's June 2010 already! Allergy Chat Thread

[JaneS]

We are having so much activity on the May thread lately, it's hard to admit a new month means a new thread!

So bring your questions, problems, celebrations and general amazing-ness here.

I for one do not mind repitition for the 800th time, b/c I have mama brain as much you.

[lil_miss_understood]

Jane!!
I was just thinking that we needed a new thread! Thanks!!

Re: DS2 and the kitchen... Something like the blood sugar crash you suggested occurred to me as well. He recently dropped the nursing session at which I suspect he runs his "raids", so I wonder if telling him that I'll leave a snack for him in a specific place would help? I think I might start a thread for suggestions of things I can leave on the counter for him to eat... Not sure if in Toddlers or here yet though.

eta: I don't know hypoglycemia symptoms. Do you have a link?

[JaneS]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

Re: DS2 and the kitchen... Something like the blood sugar crash you suggested occurred to me as well. He recently dropped the nursing session at which I suspect he runs his "raids", so I wonder if telling him that I'll leave a snack for him in a specific place would help? I think I might start a thread for suggestions of things I can leave on the counter for him to eat... Not sure if in Toddlers or here yet though.

eta: I don't know hypoglycemia symptoms. Do you have a link?

These are the extreme end of the spectrum:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/hyp...ction=symptoms

But generally it's *needing* to eat frequently and becoming a cranky bear if you don't eat.

Did I post here about the connection between insomnia and low blood sugar?

If your blood sugar crashes during the night. This provokes a rush of adrenaline to get your liver to release glucose and bring b.s. back up, and then you wake up and cannot fall back asleep easily, or you sleep fitfully. It sounds to me that he might be having a sugar crash if he is ravenous for food in the middle of the night.

Sugar crashes are the result of too many high blood sugar episodes, poor insulin control and beginning of insulin resistance.

I've been eating primal (no grains, starchy veg or sugars) for the past 2 weeks, and reading about paleo/primal eating and insulin control a lot. It's been a true revelation, putting a lot of pieces together.

I've also learned is that low b.s. effects our amino acids and seratonin... b/c if your sugar crashes, at any time, not just during the day, your liver makes sugar out of... amino acids! Which means your brain is then starved for them. Hello Prozac Nation. Its a high carb diet that is causing it, not a "chemical imbalance".

One of my favorite books, The Mood Cure, touches on this but doesn't explain it to the extent that The Primal Blueprint book did.

OMG I so have to work... I've been playing hooky too much, stuck on something.

[mamafish9]

OK, no idea how to get my multiquotes here from the May thread, so...

JR, I have a supps cupboard for DS alone, and then another one for the rest of us.

Dr. Yasko's enzymes - yeah, for anyone curious about whether they might benefit from pancreatic support, this is where I would start - I think you'll get the fastest, most obvious answer that way. Then if the enzymes help, you can conclude you'd probably benefit from a wider range of pancreatic supports - so the enzymes are like an inexpensive diagnostic.

For kids, or if you don't want to feel bleck, I'd start with a sprinkle and move up. If you want a fast answer, do what Shannon did and take one a meal . Two a meal is her suggested dose for adults.

chlobo, you said you didn't get any effect - which enzymes were you taking for a couple of days, and how much?

I think I'm going to start a "guess at your genetics" thread, to talk about the Yasko stuff...

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by JaneS

I for one do not mind repitition for the 800th time, b/c I have mama brain as much you.

Thanks, Jane

I seem to have aluminum brain instead, though... Sending my pee test off today, finally! I get to see what toxic junk I'm sequestering, yay

A snack tray sounds like a great idea, jr! I'm also thinking if you could teach R to do some of the stuff he's doing anyway, maybe he'd be able to do it without making so much of a mess. Or give him ways to help. Basically direct his energy so it doesnt just explode? For vitamin cabinets, I can't help you - I leave mine out and dd just isn't interested.

And I take back my good poop comment it keeps coming and is getting mucusey. At least it's yellow!

[Theloose]

Oh right, you also need b6 to access the glycogen stored in your liver. I watched dd go from needing regular food and freaking out (but not eating) when she didn't get it to forgetting to eat all day and me not noticing when I got b6 into her.

And to be fair, the one a meal enzymes I started with were a much lower dosage than yasko's. What's weird is I just noticed the enzymes I'm using now (twin labs) say to take them *after* your meal

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

ok.. am i the only one with an entire cupboard "dedicated" to supps? how do you all keep the kids out of them?

I act like I'm going to quote on the old thread, clicking all my multi-quotes, then hit reply, then I copy it from there. Come over to the new thread, and hit all my multi-quotes, and hit reply, then paste the old thread stuff at the beginning. That doesn't even make sense to me, when I just wrote it.

Anyway, DS and I have a lot of the same supps at the moment. His are on the kitchen shelf behind the sink. Mine are actually out on the kitchen counter at the moment. DH's are in the linen closet (locked - where he no longer keeps his retainer if people remember that story, but he keeps his allergy, etc. meds) in the bathroom. I did see a super huge pill organizer the other day at the drugstore. I was thinking of getting one for DS and one for me....

Originally Posted by JaneS

Did I post here about the connection between insomnia and low blood sugar?

If your blood sugar crashes during the night. This provokes a rush of adrenaline to get your liver to release glucose and bring b.s. back up, and then you wake up and cannot fall back asleep easily, or you sleep fitfully. It sounds to me that he might be having a sugar crash if he is ravenous for food in the middle of the night.

Sugar crashes are the result of too many high blood sugar episodes, poor insulin control and beginning of insulin resistance.

If you posted it here before I missed it. I have insomnia where I can't fall asleep, and if I wake up in the night, it takes me an hour or so to get back to sleep. So maybe I should have a protein (like a hard boiled egg) before bed? or should it be a fat?

At one point, I used to leave cereal out for the kids if they woke up before me. Now they just open all the cupboards and look around. But mine are older and "could" clean up after themselves.

Originally Posted by whoMe

Thanks, Jane

I seem to have aluminum brain instead, though... Sending my pee test off today, finally! I get to see what toxic junk I'm sequestering, yay

I just dropped mine off at Fedex too. Girls are always peeing together!!

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by JaneS

Did I post here about the connection between insomnia and low blood sugar?

If your blood sugar crashes during the night. This provokes a rush of adrenaline to get your liver to release glucose and bring b.s. back up, and then you wake up and cannot fall back asleep easily, or you sleep fitfully. It sounds to me that he might be having a sugar crash if he is ravenous for food in the middle of the night.

Sugar crashes are the result of too many high blood sugar episodes, poor insulin control and beginning of insulin resistance.

It fits into the adrenal stuff too. Back when I wasn't carb sensitive (guessing I may be now) it _seemed_ solely adrenal for me, and improving my adrenals and having 2nd dinner right before bed seemed to stop that cycle for me.

I've also learned is that low b.s. effects our amino acids and seratonin... b/c if your sugar crashes, at any time, not just during the day, your liver makes sugar out of... amino acids! Which means your brain is then starved for them. Hello Prozac Nation. Its a high carb diet that is causing it, not a "chemical imbalance".

One of my favorite books, The Mood Cure, touches on this but doesn't explain it to the extent that The Primal Blueprint book did.

OMG I so have to work... I've been playing hooky too much, stuck on something.

Just quoted the rest cause it was interesting to re-read. Dang... betcha this is a HUGE deal for DH. Borderline depressed for a few years now, betcha insulin resistance is building, or at least not getting better... Must.do.paleo.NOW!

Originally Posted by whoMe

link the DHA again?


For me, within 24 hours of starting a med/full dose of enzymes with every meal, I started getting gas. And within a couple days was getting a metallic-tasting cough (I'd been sick), major brain fog, and my low dopamine symptoms - leg twitches while falling asleep and *obsessive* reading about this stuff. Plus feeling really easily overstimulated. Now I'm doubling my dose (I'm nuts!) and getting it all again, minus the metallic cough. Oh, and first time around, I had a bitter taste in my mouth towards the end and was getting low zinc symptoms. Ds was spitting up a ton, and dd was being an exaggerated version of her high needs/emotionally sensitive self. Funny, I write that about dd, and that's totally how I'm feeling myself right now. Trying really hard to take it easy on dd this week...

Thank you for the detailed explanation, I was wondering about dosing... going to see how DH feels about experimenting on himself, and I think I'll try for myself too. Depending on how DH and I feel, we'll consider the kids--cause our digestion isn't great, and I think a bit of extra support until I get consistent, uneventful ala/dmsa rounds going would be helpful.

Jane, the neonate. I'm crediting it for getting ds back to pooping, and after yesterday's super-funky poop, we're looking at the best poop I've seen from him in a loooooong time.

eta: pat

I read "neocate" instead of "neonate" back when the original question was asked and wondered what the heck was I missing.

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

ok.. am i the only one with an entire cupboard "dedicated" to supps? how do you all keep the kids out of them?

Some are above the dryer. They don't get into the others, which fill an entire cabinet under the island because hey, life gets easier as the kids get older. Back at the old house, with DS so much younger, the solution was a high cabinet in the kitchen... he's never been a huge climber and it was way far away from the chairs which he'd have to push to climb on the counter to get into the cabinet--and nothing else good was nearby to entice him.

eta: dha tanya found

Yup, that's the one, Jarrow Max DHA, vitacost has it cheap (cause I'm lazy and reading from JR's fancy quote that shows up as the whole text right now while I'm quoting). Lots of DHA, very little EPA so I shouldn't start crazy bruising. And it's economical, yay!

Originally Posted by JaneS

For memory? ... I cannot remember

Do you already take B12 and CoQ10?

I should be good for B12, today I'm going to order mamafish's liquid B12 from holistic heal. I've never supp'd CoQ10, don't know the indications for it.

Originally Posted by JaneS

Duuuuudes,

It's June!

Whoa, I can't believe we totally missed it.

[mamafish9]

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

If you posted it here before I missed it. I have insomnia where I can't fall asleep, and if I wake up in the night, it takes me an hour or so to get back to sleep. So maybe I should have a protein (like a hard boiled egg) before bed? or should it be a fat?

So, on my new favorite topic, pancreatic supports... . DS was the child who woke up in the middle of the night and was up for 4 hours, several times a week. It got better over the last year, but still happened 1-2x a week. And he woke frequently to nurse, without that, I can't imagine how often he would have been awake at night.

Since starting all the Yasko stuff, this has entirely disappeared, and I think it's primarily the pancreatic supports - he's not having blood sugar crashes in the middle of the night any more. I also make sure he goes to bed with a full belly, but that didn't really fix things before, it only moved his wake up time from midnight to 2am .

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by kjbrown92

I just dropped mine off at Fedex too. Girls are always peeing together!!

I remembered what I was going to whine about My body chemistry is seriously changing over here, and now I have no idea what to eat anymore! I'm not craving butter at all, or even fat that much. Meat is still good, but not the no brainer it used to be. I don't know what to think about carbs. And we keep running out of veggies. Got to keep life interesting, right?

[mamafish9]

Shannon, DS does way better on carbs now with his fancy new pancreatic stuff - have you tried *some*? I'm suspecting that feeling better on a paleo diet (which was pretty much how DS chose to eat) is a good clue about needing some pancreatic support.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

Shannon, DS does way better on carbs now with his fancy new pancreatic stuff - have you tried *some*? I'm suspecting that feeling better on a paleo diet (which was pretty much how DS chose to eat) is a good clue about needing some pancreatic support.

Just checked my blood sugar after breakfast. I was expecting in the 115-130 range. It was 99 I think I like this. The best part is how easy it is to tell someone what you're doing (and get my mom on board - here, take these enzymes, it'll solve all your problems!). Now I really want to know how universal it is at helping people, or if I'm just lucky. Get on pancreatin and report back, people!

[kjbrown92]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

So, on my new favorite topic, pancreatic supports... . DS was the child who woke up in the middle of the night and was up for 4 hours, several times a week. It got better over the last year, but still happened 1-2x a week. And he woke frequently to nurse, without that, I can't imagine how often he would have been awake at night.

Since starting all the Yasko stuff, this has entirely disappeared, and I think it's primarily the pancreatic supports - he's not having blood sugar crashes in the middle of the night any more. I also make sure he goes to bed with a full belly, but that didn't really fix things before, it only moved his wake up time from midnight to 2am .

point me to a safe pancreatic support.... I also need some C apparently... I just finished rewriting the new supps schedule for DS, DD2 and me. Drat.

[lil_miss_understood]

hmm. ok, so i need to get b6 into R. knew this but its being confirmed again.
crazy morning here.

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

So, on my new favorite topic, pancreatic supports... . DS was the child who woke up in the middle of the night and was up for 4 hours, several times a week. It got better over the last year, but still happened 1-2x a week. And he woke frequently to nurse, without that, I can't imagine how often he would have been awake at night.

Since starting all the Yasko stuff, this has entirely disappeared, and I think it's primarily the pancreatic supports - he's not having blood sugar crashes in the middle of the night any more. I also make sure he goes to bed with a full belly, but that didn't really fix things before, it only moved his wake up time from midnight to 2am .

too fast you guys.
change that from b6 to pancreatic support?

[mamafish9]

Kathy, not sure on a safe one. I'd try the one I pointed CS at (available in lamb, pork, and beef versions, so is one of those safe for each of your family?), and then a straight pancreatin support (I'll leave you to figure out which ones have no trace corn or anything, I suck at that, but iherb has several listed). Shannon, which pancreatic enzyme did you end up taking? I don't know about trace stuff in Yasko's, and her office probably won't know either, sorry.

[DevaMajka]

To multiquote from another thread:
Go to the May thread and click on the multiquote button for each post you want to quote. Get back to the Allergies forum and go to the June thread. Click "Reply" then under the reply box it says "You have selected 6 posts that are not part of this thread. Quote these posts as well, or deselect these posts."
Click on "Quote these posts" and they show up in the reply box

[deditus]

Originally Posted by mamafish9

I think I'm going to start a "guess at your genetics" thread, to talk about the Yasko stuff...

Sounds good _ I tried to join her forum a long time ago and never got approved.

Anyone else doing Pat's green smoothie challenge? I had been forcing myself to do green smoothies for a few weeks prior, but this has spurred me to keep it up. I stopped making them because I couldn't handle how sweet they were anymore, so I just started using tons more greens. Really making a difference in my energy. Helps that I can get a grocery bag stuffed full of organic spinach at the farmers market for $2 now.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

too fast you guys.
change that from b6 to pancreatic support?

B6 for short term, pancreatic support for longer term?

I started with enzymes from designs for health, and when those ran out, got super digestive enzymes (or something like that) from twin labs. I just ordered more, plus their straight pancreatin for dd.

The other weird thing about all this? I'm still out of b complex - 3 days without it so far, and only a piddly amount of b's from the prenatal I have on hand for emergencies (and I'm only doing one of the three/day) and NO MAJOR SYMPTOMS!!! By all rights, I should be in a completely awful state right now. I think I must be either digesting waaaaay better, or else my gut bugs are in much better shape. Suddenly food feels like it actually has nutrients in it instead of just being fuel! And I just ordered 6 bottles of b complex

[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by whoMe

B6 for short term, pancreatic support for longer term?

I started with enzymes from designs for health, and when those ran out, got super digestive enzymes (or something like that) from twin labs. I just ordered more, plus their straight pancreatin for dd.

The other weird thing about all this? I'm still out of b complex - 3 days without it so far, and only a piddly amount of b's from the prenatal I have on hand for emergencies (and I'm only doing one of the three/day) and NO MAJOR SYMPTOMS!!! By all rights, I should be in a completely awful state right now. I think I must be either digesting waaaaay better, or else my gut bugs are in much better shape. Suddenly food feels like it actually has nutrients in it instead of just being fuel! And I just ordered 6 bottles of b complex

Here's hoping that's what I'm saying in a month or so, Shannon. I can't even begin to tell you how pilled out I am. DH came into the kitchen as I was taking my supps this morning, looks at my hands filled with pills and says "Ah, you're having your second breakfast."