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Yeah - as you can see, I don't remember either ... However, seeing DS' genetics, and realizing he's genetically prone to blood sugar issues (and likely got that from somewhere!), has made us realize WHY food is such an important intervention in this house. I think I'm actually least affected - DH bonks when he's hungry. Pancreatic supports have actually made a big difference.

I wouldn't be surprised if DD had this issue as DH has terrible trouble with low blood sugar.

My parents were soooooo not subtle. Or tolerant. Fortunately, my DH (who didn't have good parenting either) is a wonderful natural parent. And DD and I really share a personality (sensitive, prickly, introverted, lots of strong opinions), so when I stop to think, I understand her pretty well. DH is good at rescuing me when I am tired and prickly, since DD and I can easily get ourselves into a tangle quickly!

Yeah for your DH. My DD & I are like this as well. DH regularly says "break it up girls".


It's actually one of the reasons we finally decided not to homeschool. DD really benefits from some other people to learn from, and is more open to soaking things in. It definitely requires a good teacher "fit" for her, but it's been worth the effort to find that. We realized it when she took swimming lessons from this wonderfully patient, goofy college student, and she learned to swim in a month (she was 4 at the time, and I'm an experienced swim teacher, but couldn't get her to even put her face in the water - he had her ducking underwater for magic fish in about 5 minutes).

I'm glad to hear you say this. I've always thought homeschooling would be a wonderful idea but DD & I are like vinegar & oil. We just don't mesh. She absolutely loved her first grade teacher.


DD was definitely hard as a baby. Colic, big initial issues getting nursing established, never slept more than 45 minutes for a nap (and that after 2 hours of trying to get her to sleep), stopped napping totally at 2, didn't sleep through the night (or anything close) until after she was 2. High maintenance, wore her constantly as a baby. Wouldn't eat baby food (texture thing I think), had to feed herself. And based on everything I've seen so far, there aren't any big nutrient deficiencies, metals toxicity, or food reactions as the cause.

That's funny. DD was like this. Didn't sleep through til more like 3. However I think she does have the deficiencies & the toxicity and possibly gluten issues as well.

Genetics wise, I think I am the source of a couple of DS' mutations - ones that increase anxiety/stress levels and swing serotonin. Guessing DD has both those - so it is our "personalities", but with some genetic underpinnings. And I think she has the blood sugar issues genes as well, which can compound the problem (too much sugar or too little food are both issues for her).

On a related note, she's been on digestive enzymes (and support for another digestive mutations DS and I think DH have) and she's gained 2lbs even with whooping cough, and grown an inch.

Oh no!!! Ugh, sorry JR, that does not sound like fun.
I just want to say again that you are such a great mother. It's so awesome that you are so together & recognize the issues. One of my issues right now is that I'm just so tired I have a hard time keeping it together, never mind figuring the issues out.
post #762 of 873
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I don't buy the straight genetics explanation, though. More and more people are having issues, they're showing up earlier and earlier, and the world has been fairly toxic for a while now. From the other angle, generational stuff has to show up somehow. Where? What does it look like?
I definitely think it's a big factor - I think it's part of the reason I have 3 sibs with RA. I maybe had something genetically protective going on. My mom worked hard to feed us for what at that time was an amazingly healthy diet and stuff, and her grandkids are on the whole a lot healthier than her kids were, so...

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I just want to say again that you are such a great mother. It's so awesome that you are so together & recognize the issues. One of my issues right now is that I'm just so tired I have a hard time keeping it together, never mind figuring the issues out.
Thank you! I will print this out and read in on the many, many days I don't feel competent or together... Sometimes I think it's easy to sound like a great mom over the internet - you should be here some days .

And I think I'm extremely fortunate that I don't have many health issues (DS got a lot of his stuff from DH, I think, not from me). I know why he handed this stuff off to me (he's the one with the degree in molecular genetics) - his brain just can't cope right now. I think you are doing an awesome job of trying to piece together a lot of complex bits, including your own.
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What, not scientific enough for you?

I don't buy the straight genetics explanation, though. More and more people are having issues, they're showing up earlier and earlier, and the world has been fairly toxic for a while now. From the other angle, generational stuff has to show up somehow. Where? What does it look like?
...not scientific enough for YOU my dear!

Well even "straight genetics" is not "straight genetics" b/c of the influence of epigenetics.

Do you want me to send you the NOVA DVD of the "Ghost in Your Genes" program? If I can find it! I copied it off of our TiVo, I think it's still around here somewhere. It's relatively simplistic but interesting. What we eat and what we do changes our genes. Even monozygotic twins end up with vastly different DNA at the end of their lives.

Oh and there was some Swedish or other nordic country study where things skipped generations or several generations based on famine exposure, that was interesting.
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Ooh- simplistic is good for my foggy brain! I just did a quick search, and they have the video on Google. Going to watch it right now.
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Why You are Sick if You Want to Eat Right
Comment by Andrew W. Saul
Editor-In-Chief, Orthomolecular Medicine News Service

"Healthy food obsession sparks rise in new eating disorder: Fixation with healthy eating can be sign of serious psychological disorder" was an actual article headline from UK's The Observer, founded 1791, the world's oldest Sunday newspaper.

And now, eating right has an official disease name, too: orthorexia nervosa... (1)

Symptoms evidently include "refusing to touch sugar, salt, caffeine, alcohol, wheat, gluten, yeast, soya, corn and dairy foods (and) any foods that have come into contact with pesticides, herbicides or contain artificial additives." Also, "sufferers tend to be aged over 30, middle-class and well-educated" and "solely concerned with the quality of the food they put in their bodies." (2)
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Ooh- simplistic is good for my foggy brain! I just did a quick search, and they have the video on Google. Going to watch it right now.
Nice find! LMK what you think.
post #767 of 873
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So, spent 2 hours in the ER. Got 3 x-rays. Technician was convinced that it wasn't broken (but wouldn't say so to me- told DS1 who came with me though). He (tech) also told the nurses he thought they weren't broken- doubly so since I offered to pull the other toes back so he could x-ray the broken ones properly. Nurses said "Yeah. That's not surprising. She's smiling at everyone that passes by and being so polite. And she just asked for ibuprofen. There's no way those toes are broken. Probably just dislocated. If they were broken, she'd be crying for more pain relief." <insert anecdotes about other patients/friends/family who've broken toes here>
Doctor comes into my room, puts on his serious doctor face and says "You have 2 fractured toes. They are NOT dislocated. We'll buddy tape them, give you a cast shoe (because you're a mom and I know you can't just sit around, so that will keep them straight) and you have to go and see orthopedics later this week." I felt like sticking my tongue out at the nurses at that moment.
So sorry I broke my toes in high school no fun!
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Ooh- simplistic is good for my foggy brain! I just did a quick search, and they have the video on Google. Going to watch it right now.
Yay thanks for the link!
post #768 of 873
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Wait is this a joke
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I don't think it is a joke - that is sooooo my mother! Obsessed to the point of no longer caring if food tastes good or supports emotional connection or anything else - just what it has in it. It's not a healthy obsession...
post #770 of 873
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Nice find! LMK what you think.
Wow. Interesting stuff. And seriously, seriously depressing. Something as simple as a stress reaction in a pregnant mother can set a child up for disease. And so interesting that one genetic trait can have different outcomes depending on which parent it came from.

So.... if there are all these events, toxins, etc that can turn these genetic switches off (and pass through generation after generation), is there a way to turn them back on? By doing what we're doing here, right now- learning about nutrition and how food chemicals affect our bodies, and things like that- are we really making a difference for our grandchildren? Can we make things right that were damaged generations ago? Man I hope so.
post #771 of 873
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Originally Posted by JaneS View Post
...not scientific enough for YOU my dear!

Well even "straight genetics" is not "straight genetics" b/c of the influence of epigenetics.

Do you want me to send you the NOVA DVD of the "Ghost in Your Genes" program? If I can find it! I copied it off of our TiVo, I think it's still around here somewhere. It's relatively simplistic but interesting. What we eat and what we do changes our genes. Even monozygotic twins end up with vastly different DNA at the end of their lives.

Oh and there was some Swedish or other nordic country study where things skipped generations or several generations based on famine exposure, that was interesting.
I was going to post this documentary a couple weeks ago and forgot. DH found it and passed it on to me. It's also on www.documentary24.com

I don't remember where I was reading it, but it was discussing the "health obsession" disorder (dang, now it's going to bug me!) and while I think it could be used to write some people off, I do think there are those who are this way...tho I'm sure I know people who would put ME in this category...OH! It was Pollen's In Defense of Food, duh!

I've been non existent--sort of off in pregnancy lalaland. Trying to figure out what I need to get (everything) for the birth and how to pay for it, lol...and it's too hot to think, so I don't tend to post here because I won't sound coherent. It is SO hot here, it's killing my tomatoes! BUT I got 3 cherokee purples today. And I'm up to my eyeballs in summer squashes. Must shred and freeze for muffins!

JR, so sorry about your toes! DD's finger is doing really well. I've been washing it and dressing it every night and using essential oils on it. I think we're getting the stitches out tomorrow, so maybe in a few days we can go swimmin!
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dannic- good to see you! I don't know how you're managing being pregnant in that kind of heat. That would just about kill me.

I can't wait until my squash start blooming- the flowers just opened on one of my plants today! I'm hoping for a crazy overabundance too, since we use it so much. I'm thinking of shredding/freezing, making (and freezing) zucchini "milk" for baking and stuff, dried zucchini chips of course (that reminds me- haven't made that in a while!).... not sure what else. I have 6 plants I think, 4 varieties- black beauty, french round, yellow crookneck, and pattypan- so between all those I think we should be good.

My snow peas are about 5' tall and there are peas on them. Very exciting. Even though I probably won't be able to eat them (DD is IgE for peas.) The sugar snaps are really what make me sad... good thing mine didn't grow so well.

eta: Thanks for that link!! DP and I are documentary junkies. We will enjoy this!!
post #773 of 873
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Originally Posted by changingseasons View Post
Wow. Interesting stuff. And seriously, seriously depressing. Something as simple as a stress reaction in a pregnant mother can set a child up for disease. And so interesting that one genetic trait can have different outcomes depending on which parent it came from.

So.... if there are all these events, toxins, etc that can turn these genetic switches off (and pass through generation after generation), is there a way to turn them back on? By doing what we're doing here, right now- learning about nutrition and how food chemicals affect our bodies, and things like that- are we really making a difference for our grandchildren? Can we make things right that were damaged generations ago? Man I hope so.
I'm guessing it's the same show I watched on the nova website a year or two ago? Totally facinating stuff. And yeah, I'm hoping the stuff we're doing now starts undoing the damage. Something else I was reading about it (or was it on the show?) had to do with nutrition and methylation and having the right number of methyl groups reversing the effects.

Yesterday, dd ate corn. Chips, tortilla, corn syrup in ketchup. Today she was actually friendly with the people in our local grocery store, willingly got milk *at the same time* as ds (this is HUGE), missed 3 drops of pee before takng herself potty (like she did constantly for months, but hasn't done once since she's been back on milk, and the only things she's interested in eating besides milk are young coconut meat and chocolate chips. And blueberry ice cream and more chips at the farmers market. There are big clues here, but I don't know what they are. I don't get it! It's also one of the hottst days yet.
post #774 of 873
I'm not sure if anyone else is as interested in this as me, but from a FB link by kellymom:
http://one-of-those-women.blogspot.c...onal-bash.html
CCK is the hormone that says to release digestive enzymes, that you can increase by eating certain kinds of pinenuts. And is what yasko thinks is the weak link in pancreatic issues (do I have that right deb?). Apparently it's affected by oxytocin levels and by suckling. Haven't worked out the details of whether it's working with me or against me, but maybe it's not such a bad thing that ds and dd like to trade off nursing while I eat?
post #775 of 873
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Originally Posted by whoMe View Post
What, not scientific enough for you?

I don't buy the straight genetics explanation, though. More and more people are having issues, they're showing up earlier and earlier, and the world has been fairly toxic for a while now. From the other angle, generational stuff has to show up somehow. Where? What does it look like?
The world's been fairly toxic, but the nutritional slide, for most families, has really taken off, maybe in my generation of kids (kids born in the 70s, roughly). So much fake food as the norm, not even realizing that it's got so many non-food ingredients. And women entering the workforce in greater numbers accelerated the process--where are the hours in the day to cook from scratch and be employed full-time? I know a few people seem to manage it, but it was sure as heck too much for me to do.

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Originally Posted by chlobo View Post
I just want to say again that you are such a great mother. It's so awesome that you are so together & recognize the issues. One of my issues right now is that I'm just so tired I have a hard time keeping it together, never mind figuring the issues out.
Just wanted to say that I've been there, I felt like that about my parenting for a long time. I was a better parent to my DD when she was 18 mos old than at any time since. What you've already given her, in terms of helping her feel better (imaging her eating frozen pizza for dinner, mac and cheese after school, a poptart for breakfast each day?), that really does count. It's valuable, in a sense moreso since you're having to work so hard to cope with day-to-day life and then do the extra work to try to figure things out.

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Originally Posted by changingseasons View Post
Wow. Interesting stuff. And seriously, seriously depressing. Something as simple as a stress reaction in a pregnant mother can set a child up for disease. And so interesting that one genetic trait can have different outcomes depending on which parent it came from.

So.... if there are all these events, toxins, etc that can turn these genetic switches off (and pass through generation after generation), is there a way to turn them back on? By doing what we're doing here, right now- learning about nutrition and how food chemicals affect our bodies, and things like that- are we really making a difference for our grandchildren? Can we make things right that were damaged generations ago? Man I hope so.
I haven't seen the link, but I sure as heck hope I can make some serious progress on fixing stuff. Thing is, when they look at populations and see that, for example, grandma going through the famine of '22 (or whatever) makes it more likely her grandsons get diabetes (or whatever, I remember the same studies, but vaguely, that Jane mentioned), it doesn't speak to individuals. We are surely working harder than most to figure things out, identify problems early on and give the kids the tools they need to take care of themselves. The population-level studies don't apply nearly as much when you're living a lifestyle and making choices that are significantly different than the norm in your culture. And that's why we all need each other--cause we're the weirdos.

So yeah, I think that eating good food, working on cultivating a good, healthy emotional environment (okay, I've noticed this is an area that's benefitting from attention around here), that's part of what's changing how genes express themselves now. It can't make some of these sticky genes (for lack of a better term) non-existent (the ones like mthfr and mamafish's son's b12 genes, and whatnot), but other, more subtle stuff, the stuff that helps us drift a bit one way or another, that's what it seems to affect.

And I should get to sleep, to pack up and get on the road tomorrow morning. 3 days to get to Camano Island.

Jessica, PMing you, or emailing or something.
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Coming into this thread late in the month and I'm trying to read through it all (I've already found stuff that had never occurred to me that "fits" one or more members of my family).

I feel like all four of us are waaaaay far away from where I'd like to see us and I don't even know where to start. I thought we were doing OK, but I have gone through and read some of my previous posts in this forum and I've been doing exactly what I didn't want to do... bandaiding when a problem comes up instead of looking at why (and I've really really tried to fall into that trap but yet I have). I think all of us likely have food allergies or intolerance (some known, some not yet pinpointed) plus who knows what else going on.

So I guess I'll keep reading and send out a big huge thanks for all of you who share your knowledge here!!!
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Coming into this thread late in the month and I'm trying to read through it all (I've already found stuff that had never occurred to me that "fits" one or more members of my family).

I feel like all four of us are waaaaay far away from where I'd like to see us and I don't even know where to start. I thought we were doing OK, but I have gone through and read some of my previous posts in this forum and I've been doing exactly what I didn't want to do... bandaiding when a problem comes up instead of looking at why (and I've really really tried to fall into that trap but yet I have). I think all of us likely have food allergies or intolerance (some known, some not yet pinpointed) plus who knows what else going on.

So I guess I'll keep reading and send out a big huge thanks for all of you who share your knowledge here!!!
Sorry you can join us.
How was the earthquake? I nearly peed myself when I heard about it.
Have you considered starting an all about me thread for yourself?
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How was the earthquake? I nearly peed myself when I heard about it.
Have you considered starting an all about me thread for yourself?
Thanks for the welcome... I am sad to have so much going on with us, but like I said, grateful that there are those that know more than I who are willing to share. I am getting absolutely nowhere with my family doctor and my ND is better, but still not as thorough as I'd like.

The earthquake was interesting... I can't believe the range of experiences. I appear to be the only person in the townhouses where I live that felt it (and I wasn't aware that was what it was, I just couldn't figure out why my bed was moving when the boys were both asleep and I was laying down with them ). Then there are people like my Mom and brother who actually perceived it as a more significant event.

I love the uproar over it though... the whole thing lasted about 10 seconds and for most of us was either not noticeable or else not identifiable. From some of the way people have talked about it you'd think we nearly all got sucked into the earth and wiped out!

I have started an About Me thread several times and gotten overwhelmed I should do that today so that I can get some direction before my next ND appointment July 5th.
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Thanks for the welcome... I am sad to have so much going on with us, but like I said, grateful that there are those that know more than I who are willing to share. I am getting absolutely nowhere with my family doctor and my ND is better, but still not as thorough as I'd like.

The earthquake was interesting... I can't believe the range of experiences. I appear to be the only person in the townhouses where I live that felt it (and I wasn't aware that was what it was, I just couldn't figure out why my bed was moving when the boys were both asleep and I was laying down with them ). Then there are people like my Mom and brother who actually perceived it as a more significant event.

I love the uproar over it though... the whole thing lasted about 10 seconds and for most of us was either not noticeable or else not identifiable. From some of the way people have talked about it you'd think we nearly all got sucked into the earth and wiped out!

I have started an About Me thread several times and gotten overwhelmed I should do that today so that I can get some direction before my next ND appointment July 5th.
Many of us have similar experiences with doctors.
Yes, I've heard a range of experiences just from the few people I know in the area as well. It's interesting. So odd to me to have an earthquake there, I think that's why there's such an uproar.

Ooh ooh... Don't start a new one! Just bump your old one! That's the purpose of About Me threads! It's a place to keep everything about one person in one place and to be able to go back and look it over as time and brain power permits rather than getting overwhelmed! And then you don't have to re-type your story too. (lazy much? )
post #780 of 873
Well for me I've started it but never hit post I have one for both of the kids that I could bump and update, but for me I've never actually gotten all the way to the post button.

I think it might be because I don't see my own issues as important as theirs

ETA: I know this is faulty... because my health affects theirs especially since I'm still nursing both of them (and gestating another)... but still... getting them feeling better is always my priority.
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