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post #1 of 22
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My 15 month old daughter is not getting enough calories according to my pediatrician and would like her to drink more milk. I still breastfeed her but wouldn't mind supplementing because I would like to start to wean a little bit.

She already does eat lots of dairy products so I thought I might not like to give her cow's milk, but I have noticed that she's not really drinking any significant amount of soy milk I am giving her from time to time.

What do you ladies think here? What would be the best alternative to breastmilk? And is there really a problem with cow's milk? I just have always thought of it as being for babycows.

Thank you!
post #2 of 22

Have you tried organic milk?

I have a son who is allergic to cow's milk and I'm currently looking for an alternative to soymilk as well. I've been hearing about some not so good side effects of the soymilk.

But for my other son, I have recently switched to buying organic milk. This could be a possible option for you. I have heard raw milk is really good for you, but have never tried it. At least with the organic milk, you know it is free of the added hormones and antibiotics that are in the regular milk. That makes me feel a little better.

Good luck!

Mindy
post #3 of 22
I have a friend who give her DD coconut milk. It was recommended by her ped.

My DD couldnt handle cows milk but does fine on goats milk.

You can also add some flax oil to her yogurt as a way to increase calories. Flax has lots of omega 3s which is also good. My DD loves flax oil in her yogurt. I like it too. When I make her toast I put lots of butter or coconut oil on it.

Have you tried warming up her milk. My DD will guzzle her milk down if its warm.
post #4 of 22
We drink raw cows' milk here. I have some friends who have dairy goats and drink goat milk... I honestly think that'd be my first choice, but I have zero desire to milk and am completely happy with my herd share for raw milk, so...
post #5 of 22
I think raw/grassfed/unhomogenized dairy milk is a wonderful food. Even grass-fed unhomogenized low temp pasturized cow or goat milk is a really good food.

That said, if you aren't comfortable giving your daughter that, I would probably give coconut milk. Any maybe almond and rice milk as well. I would not give soy milk. I wouldn't give soy at all (except maybe a bite of my dinner which has a tiny bit of fermented soy sauce) to a child that age (well, I wouldn't give much to a child of any age, but particularly one so young.) Plant milks don't have as many complete things needed as animal milks (and nothing so perfect as mother's milk). Each has different useful bits, but not the whole.
post #6 of 22
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Originally Posted by dance View Post
I just have always thought of it as being for babycows.
This is my belief too, so after my DS self-weaned (at 28 months) I started giving him coconut milk, almond milk and sometimes oat milk.

I've just bought a cool machine that makes raw nut milk in a few seconds, I cannot wait to try it out as I love almond milk too
post #7 of 22
If she's already eating lots of dairy, why not increase variety in her diet and get her interested in nutrient-dense solids? Neither of my kids ever drank much in the way of cow's milk. They're 5 & 3 now, and drink a bit of kefir each day and eat cheese & yogurt. But I would encourage fruits, veggies, protein sources, etc. rather than adding cow's milk if she's breastfeeding & eating other dairy.
post #8 of 22
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Originally Posted by Rosehip View Post
If she's already eating lots of dairy, why not increase variety in her diet and get her interested in nutrient-dense solids? Neither of my kids ever drank much in the way of cow's milk. But I would encourage fruits, veggies, protein sources, etc. rather than adding cow's milk if she's breastfeeding & eating other dairy.
I agree I don't think another high calorie liquid is really the answer unless she is horribly underweight. What are her stats on that as I find a lot of parents are told it is some big deal when it is just a few ounces off on the chart?

I think water is great to drink when one is thirsty!
post #9 of 22
15 months is still really young, I would first make sure she's nursing enough. At that age they should still really be taking in a good amount of breastmilk.

-Angela
post #10 of 22
idk - my 29 mo old has never had anything to drink but breastmilk and water. I really don't understand why pedis push cow milk on breastfed kids. How does he know that she isn't getting enough calories and why does he think that cow milk is going to be the best sollution?
post #11 of 22

asking for clarification

i was reading this thread just out of curiousity, and here s my question:
to those above that mentioned coconut milk, which milk did you mean?
is it
a) the coconut milk you'd buy in cartons in store (white in color)
b) actual coconut milk that's really coconut juice that you get directly out of cocnuts or buy in little cans (and its transparent).
we love option B, especially from young coconuts, its wonderful for all sorts of things from soups to icecreams, its "natures gatorade", and actually helped me a lot to increase my milk supply
but option A, i personally think, is junk, just mashed up coconut meat and sugar. am i wrong? and which one are you guys talking about
post #12 of 22
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Originally Posted by AnnaNova View Post
i was reading this thread just out of curiousity, and here s my question:
to those above that mentioned coconut milk, which milk did you mean?
is it
a) the coconut milk you'd buy in cartons in store (white in color)
b) actual coconut milk that's really coconut juice that you get directly out of cocnuts or buy in little cans (and its transparent).
we love option B, especially from young coconuts, its wonderful for all sorts of things from soups to icecreams, its "natures gatorade", and actually helped me a lot to increase my milk supply
but option A, i personally think, is junk, just mashed up coconut meat and sugar. am i wrong? and which one are you guys talking about
I think people are referring to coconut milk like this. There is no sugar in it, and it is high in fat which is very good for babies'/children's growing brains.

ETA: I mean, no added sugar.
post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by Magelet View Post
I wouldn't give soy at all (except maybe a bite of my dinner which has a tiny bit of fermented soy sauce) to a child that age (well, I wouldn't give much to a child of any age, but particularly one so young.)
I am just curious why? I feed non-gmo edamame to my DS alot and wonder if this is bad?

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I think water is great to drink when one is thirsty!


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Originally Posted by MoreThanApplesauce View Post
idk - my 29 mo old has never had anything to drink but breastmilk and water. I really don't understand why pedis push cow milk on breastfed kids. How does he know that she isn't getting enough calories and why does he think that cow milk is going to be the best sollution?


I agree my 19 mo old has only had breastmilk and water. I do not understand the need to serve juice to babies either. I want him to like drinking water because it is great for your body. That is usually the only thing I drink as well.

I add EVOO to things for some good fat. That might be an option?

I just read this today. It is worth taking a look at.
http://www.drmomma.org/2010/06/shoul...drink-cow.html

If you don't mind, while I am here: (if this is too intrusive on this thread please ignore)
I am trying to cut down on our dairy. We eat a lot of cheese (I would love to buy organic but it is so expensive so I at least get the kind without growth hormone when I can). Any better ideas? I eat cereal with milk (not treated with growth hormone) would love to switch to Almond milk or Organic and will if DS ever has it. I am curious what you all think about Almond milk? And lastly, a question...what is non-dairy icecream? (sherbet or something?)
post #14 of 22
Quote:
i was reading this thread just out of curiousity, and here s my question:
to those above that mentioned coconut milk, which milk did you mean?
is it
a) the coconut milk you'd buy in cartons in store (white in color)
b) actual coconut milk that's really coconut juice that you get directly out of cocnuts or buy in little cans (and its transparent).
we love option B, especially from young coconuts, its wonderful for all sorts of things from soups to icecreams, its "natures gatorade", and actually helped me a lot to increase my milk supply
but option A, i personally think, is junk, just mashed up coconut meat and sugar. am i wrong? and which one are you guys talking about
I do mean coconut milk like purple sage said, without any added sugars. It does have a lot of natural sugars (but so does cow or breast milk). One of the reasons I would do coconut milk despite being quite sweet is that it has a good amount of healthy fats, in particular lauric acid, which is not in other alternative non-animal milks. coconut juice is a great food, but it doesn't have the fat it in, which to me, healthy fat is a very huge part of why you are drinking milk, of any kind. It's a liquid packed full of calories, healthy fats, and other vital nutrients. Coconut juice is healthy, and packed with electrolytes, but not healthy fats.

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Originally Posted by livinlovinlaughin View Post
I am just curious why? I feed non-gmo edamame to my DS alot and wonder if this is bad?

If you don't mind, while I am here: (if this is too intrusive on this thread please ignore)
I am trying to cut down on our dairy. We eat a lot of cheese (I would love to buy organic but it is so expensive so I at least get the kind without growth hormone when I can). Any better ideas? I eat cereal with milk (not treated with growth hormone) would love to switch to Almond milk or Organic and will if DS ever has it. I am curious what you all think about Almond milk? And lastly, a question...what is non-dairy icecream? (sherbet or something?)
Non dairy ice cream could be sorbet, or sherbet, or made from coconut milk or soy milk.

As for the soy, a lot of reasons. Unfermented soy (which is most soy products other than miso, tamari (but not regular soy sauce), tempeh, fermented soy bean paste, natto, and several other traditional fermented soy products that aren't really commonly eaten) is not really at all digestable by humans. In fact, until the chinese started to ferment soy, soy was used as a non-edible cover crop. Only after they started fermenting it, did it become a food product, and primarily only as a condiment or in small amounts (not as a staple food.)

Modern processing does not render the soybean edible in the same way as fermenting.

Soy is VERY high in phytates, which depleate your body of minerals (particularly iron and zinc). Unlike some other grains and legumes soy's phytates cannot be reduced by merely soaking or sprouting, but only by a very long ferment period (most traditional soy ferments are months and months).

Soy is also a goitrogen, which means it disrupts iodine uptake, and can cause thyroid problems. If this were the only issue, I'd still eat it in moderate quantities unless I had thyroid issues (like many other goitrogens that I do eat, like cruicifers. I just try not to eat too much raw/unfermented).

One of the biggest problems is that soy contains phyto-estrogens, which act pretty much like estrogen in the body, which is particularly bad for both young boys and young girls. Having fake hormones in the developing body can mess with the child's hormonal development.

There are scores of other issues with soy, but those are some of the biggest issues, and the ones I know most about. A lot of mama's have talked about the dangers of soy previously (I think in both nutrition and TF), so you can probably search more.

I do personally eat edamame sometimes (a small amount, very occasionally), I do cook with soy sauce, and eat miso. However for my children, I wouldn't feed them edamame (at least not more than a few) really ever, while they are young (pre-pubescent), and only small amounts of soy sauce and miso and other fermented soy in my cooking. I wouldn't say I'd never feed them soy, but it should be really quite rare.
post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by Magelet View Post
I do personally eat edamame sometimes (a small amount, very occasionally), I do cook with soy sauce, and eat miso. However for my children, I wouldn't feed them edamame (at least not more than a few) really ever, while they are young (pre-pubescent), and only small amounts of soy sauce and miso and other fermented soy in my cooking. I wouldn't say I'd never feed them soy, but it should be really quite rare.
Oh no, now I'm worried. He has eaten a few bags of edamame over the the last 4-5 months. Have I harmed my child? I was feeding it to him as a high protein replacement to the endless amounts of frozen peas he eats.
post #16 of 22
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Originally Posted by livinlovinlaughin View Post
Oh no, now I'm worried. He has eaten a few bags of edamame over the the last 4-5 months. Have I harmed my child? I was feeding it to him as a high protein replacement to the endless amounts of frozen peas he eats.
Oh my goodness, you have not harmed your child! Please don't go worrying yourself mamma. Soy is *very* controversial, for every study saying it's 'bad', there's a study (or 10) saying it's great. For sure the processed stuff is crap, but organic whole foods soy products are very different. Personally, I'd be a lot more concerned about the *actual*, *mammal* hormones present in bovine milk than I would about tiny amounts of pretend hormones in a plant. But, that is just my opinion and there are plenty of other opinions on the matter. Everyone is entitled to theirs!

So please please, before you worry yourself do look into the matter (and be wary of your source!). But no matter what, you have NOT done any damage to your child. If anyone tries to tell you that, they're full of it.
post #17 of 22
I agree with sayward that it's just fine. A couple of bags of edamame most certainly have not harmed your child in any way. I personally would be wary of feeding it regularly (like as a regular snack), but a few bags over 4-5 months really is not that much.
post #18 of 22
I honestly don't buy the 'soy is evil' thing thats frequently parrotted around here.. the chinese and japanese have been eating soy for generations as tofu as well, which is not fermented (its essentially chese made out of soy - you *can* make it at home, and we do occasionally). Theres no way feeding your child edame on occasion is harmful.

That said we dont eat it every day, or even every week but at least a couple times a month we have tofu and eat tamari on a constant basis in stir frys and on rice. *shrug*
post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by Sayward View Post
Oh my goodness, you have not harmed your child! Please don't go worrying yourself mamma. Soy is *very* controversial, for every study saying it's 'bad', there's a study (or 10) saying it's great. For sure the processed stuff is crap, but organic whole foods soy products are very different. Personally, I'd be a lot more concerned about the *actual*, *mammal* hormones present in bovine milk than I would about tiny amounts of pretend hormones in a plant. But, that is just my opinion and there are plenty of other opinions on the matter. Everyone is entitled to theirs!

So please please, before you worry yourself do look into the matter (and be wary of your source!). But no matter what, you have NOT done any damage to your child. If anyone tries to tell you that, they're full of it.
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Originally Posted by Magelet View Post
I agree with sayward that it's just fine. A couple of bags of edamame most certainly have not harmed your child in any way. I personally would be wary of feeding it regularly (like as a regular snack), but a few bags over 4-5 months really is not that much.
Thank goodness! So how much would you reccommend limiting it to? Also, I just purchased organic extra firm tofu for the first time before finding this thread. In your opinions is that safe/healthy? Should I put some type of limit on it as well?
post #20 of 22
Healthy fats to feed the child (while still BFing, since those are great calories):
salmon (also high in calcium)
avocado
coconut milk (we make our own ice cream, yogurt, and put it in smoothies; I also bake with it)
olive oil
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