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post #1 of 42
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How can I help my ds9 achieve a healthy body size. He is average height for 9 years old, but weighs over 100 lbs. He isn't into sports but plays outside with his friends almost daily. They ride bikes and chase each other with water guns so his play is somewhat active, though his weight is starting to get in the way of his movement. He swims a lot, takes swimming lessons and trampoline class. We also are active as a family, going on lots of hikes and walks, bike rides etc. I have never had weight issues, but dh has since childhood.

His main issue is that he overeats. I don't keep junk food in the house most of the time, so what he has to choose from is quality stuff, but he won't eat fruits or veggies at all. He eats a lot of meat and bread, potatoes and pasta. I don't serve pasta often. He says he's hungry often when he couldn't possibly be, like right after eating a meal. He only became overweight in the past two years since we've been unschooling. His dad makes issues over his picky eating sometimes, which annoys him, as it would me. He also drinks a lot of calories, so we often times will take breaks from buying juices and milk (the only other beverages we usually have besides water). But the rest of us really like using milk in cereal or juices in smoothies and the other two dks and me don't have weight issues so we invariably begin buying them again.

I am at a loss as to what else I could be doing to help ds. I am very concerned for his health since he's started having headaches when he eats carbs without protein. I wish he wouldn't snack all the time, I know it isn't necessary and is harmful. I've tried discussing it with him without being judgemental, but he just wants to eat whenever he wants. He is starting to get concerned too about his health, but for some reason, he isn't strong willed enough to stop snacking.

Any ideas of how I could help him?
post #2 of 42
Get him nuts to snack on to help with the sugar cravings that are sending him to the juice again and again? Make sure there's cold water in the fridge in front of the juice and milk for thirst? I'd even consider getting on of those stand alone water coolers and putting a stack of cups right by it so that it's more work to get juice when thirsty.

Make sure he's getting protein and fat at breakfast.
post #3 of 42
When he says he's hungry after eating a big meal ask him what that feels like. We've been working with ds to understand the difference between actual hunger and boredom or a desire to chew. We are encouraging him to learn to recognize the physical cues for hunger and satiation and to base his eating on those things.

I myself am recovering from an eating disorder so I'm especially sensitive and often worried about such things. A book that has helped me tremendously is Normal Eating and it has a section on kids. I don't wholeheartedly agree with everything the author suggests but have found it to be a valuable tool.
post #4 of 42
Thread Starter 
I really like your ideas about getting a water cooler and putting the juice and milk a bit out of reach or behind stuff in the fridge. Come to think of it, it's been a couple of years since our last water cooler broke. Unfortunately, he won't go near nuts. He's a very picky eater.

Thanks for your input.
post #5 of 42
Thread Starter 
this is interesting. It never occured to me that one could have a desire to chew. And I know that boredom is a big part of it, he has always been a kid that needs constant stimulation. I've tried asking him to recognize that what he's feeling isn't hunger, but he gets annoyed and defensive. Like he just want his food and my chatter is getting in the way. Ironically, if a friend comes to the door to play, he instantly forgets his "hunger".
post #6 of 42
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Originally Posted by Oobleckmama View Post
this is interesting. It never occured to me that one could have a desire to chew. And I know that boredom is a big part of it, he has always been a kid that needs constant stimulation. I've tried asking him to recognize that what he's feeling isn't hunger, but he gets annoyed and defensive. Like he just want his food and my chatter is getting in the way. Ironically, if a friend comes to the door to play, he instantly forgets his "hunger".
Perhaps instead of telling him he isn't hungry ask him what his hunger feels like. Normal eating is about recognizing your bodies cues not when and how much other people tell you should eat. It has to be framed as encouraging and inquisitive, not judgemental or shaming. I know if someone says to me 'You're not hungry, you just ate,' my first instinct is to think, how the heck do they know if I'm hungry?

And if he's truly bored try finding ways to fill that void. Help him come up with a list of activities he enjoys that he can do on his own when he's bored. Let him know that you are available when his friends aren't. Although I will say that eating from boredom is a form of emotional eating and could indicate that he needs more tools in his toolbox to deal with emotional discomfort so he doesn't feel the need to numb that discomfort with food.

I don't really know if any of this applies to your ds or your situation. I'm simply speaking from my own experience as well as what has helped my ds.
post #7 of 42
Thread Starter 
Thank you for your input. I really like these ideas. When I ask him what his hunger feels like, instead of trying to feel it, he just tells me what he thinks hunger feels like. And it's true that his emotional tool box is lacking, emotions seems to be a subject that doesn't come easily to him, even when I give him the words. It's like he doesn't hear me when we talk about emotions, his eyes gloss over, it's always been this way. But I'll give your suggestions a try.
post #8 of 42
Contact weight watchers and ask if they can help a 9 year old. Their program is all about eating healthy foods in appropriate portions. If you eat according to the program you should not feel hungry.
post #9 of 42
I'm sorry but I think putting a nine year old on a diet is the WORST thing you could do. It would set him up for a lifetime of not trusting his body and feeling that an outside source is better equipped to tell him what, when and how much to eat. Getting to the root of the problem will take longer but will have longer lasting benefits than a diet IMHO.
post #10 of 42
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Originally Posted by Oobleckmama View Post
I am at a loss as to what else I could be doing to help ds. I am very concerned for his health since he's started having headaches when he eats carbs without protein.
This is a major red flag for a blood sugar issue. Have you discussed this with a pediatrician? If he has an endocrine issue, it may need medication.
post #11 of 42
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Originally Posted by joy_seeker View Post
I'm sorry but I think putting a nine year old on a diet is the WORST thing you could do. It would set him up for a lifetime of not trusting his body and feeling that an outside source is better equipped to tell him what, when and how much to eat. Getting to the root of the problem will take longer but will have longer lasting benefits than a diet IMHO.
I agree with this whole heartedly, as a former chubby kid. My mom put me on diets as a child, and I'm now obese. I really thing there's a connection there.
post #12 of 42
Moved to the Childhood Years.
post #13 of 42
I think if you can take a walk every morning with him that would help or sign him up for another active class. I think limiting food for kids can make food a battle and that is not what you want. Adding an activity will help him burn any excess calories and it is great for him anyways.
post #14 of 42
Maybe give him sugarfree gum to chew right after meals. I chew gum a lot and for some reason sometimes when I am a little hungry chewing gum supresses that. Is he truly overweight though or is he starting to bulk up for puberty? I don't know how boys do things when they go through puberty, but when I went through I put on weight that wouldn't be normal for a child but was perfectly normal for a person at the stage of puberty I was in. By the time I was a teenager you wouldn't have been able to tell that I had gained that weight earlier than the other girls. If the weight isn't coming off with all the exercise and he is constantly hungry it may be his body is preparing for puberty.
post #15 of 42
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I agree with this whole heartedly, as a former chubby kid. My mom put me on diets as a child, and I'm now obese. I really thing there's a connection there.
Ditto all that for me, and in an eating disorder as a young adult. Find the trigger and deal with the root of the problem. It won't be easy, but it beats the alternative.
post #16 of 42
A couple of suggestions:

Sugar free gum after meals is a good one. He can chew, and get a little 'sweet' at the same time.

Make sure that he gets enough to drink. I often snack too much when I'm thirsty. Especially as summer is coming, getting enough WATER to drink is crucial.

Protein. Protein. Protein. as someone who craves carbs, especially simple carbs, I can tell you that getting enough protein is crucial to my being able to regulate carbs. If you can switch to whole grain carbs, even better.

Make a family rule that you have to wait 20 minutes after meals before eating something. It takes that long for your brain and stomach to get 'in sync'.

I would have a schedule. I know that probably goes against unschooling, but it might help him focus on other things when he's bored. It doesn't have to be strict, but you can say 'and what are you supposed to be doing now'?

Make sure the whole family gets 60 minutes of exercise a day. Go for a walk after dinner. Add 2 or 3 other things.

Get smaller plates. The urge to fill up a plate is hard to resist. My 9 year old still eats off of 'kid' plates. It's actually not because I'm worried about him being overweight (the opposite actually - he's 4'9" and 70 lbs. dripping wet). It's just that I find we waste less food when we serve from smaller plates and bowls. They can always have seconds.

Can you limit everyone to 4-6 oz of juice every day? I've resorted to buying juice boxes for dd even though I hate the extra packaging. She can't self-regulate juice. She's not overweight, but she's in the 90th percentile for height and 95th for weight (her pattern all her life) and we need to make sure that she's primed to succeed.

Whatever rules you change, make sure you change them for the whole family. You don't want him to lose weight, but you do want his rate of gain to slow down enough so that his height can catch up a little bit. 2-3" of height will make his weight much more proportionate.

Finally, Weight Watchers has a good book for families:
Weight Watchers Family Power. One of the main things they say is: Rules apply to everyone in the family. You're not putting him on a diet, the whole family is focusing on making healthy choices, moving more, watching TV less and limiting (but not eliminating) treats.
post #17 of 42
I would have him checked out for diabetes, just to be on the safe side there were a couple of things you mentioned that rang bells.

My mother also was convinced that i was overweight as a child and I now have issues that finally I am getting over at almost 40 but it's taken a long time to sort out for myself, dieting is not a good idea if overweight or not. I have to fight hard not to project the same thought smy mother had about me on my own kids - it's amazing how these things can continue through generations. Anyway i hope that all is well for your son and that you manage to work it out for him.
post #18 of 42
There are a few things I do with my ds who is just a little overweight. I differentiate between "mouth hungry" and "stomach hungry." Is his mouth craving something or is his stomach feeling hungry? But I don't deny him food either way. I feel like my ds always had trouble realizing when he was getting hungry. He'd realize he was too hungry and be desperate for a high carb quick fix. I would give him what he asked for but follow up with something more substantial. I know he sometimes tells me he is "mouth hungry" because he wants something sweet and doesn't want me offering to make him something more filling. But it's all about guiding him to recognize his body's cues. So even if he is eating because he is bored, it's progress if he realizes it.

I try to even the playing field so ds CAN follow his body's cues by avoiding high fructose corn syrup (I swear that stuff makes him want to eat and eat and eat. Same with MSG).

I talk about low glycemic foods, things that don't spike the blood sugar causing a crash and hunger later. You can google a list. It's pretty enlightening that some foods generally considered to be healthful are worse than eating sugar by the spoonful. I mention portion sizes, just the occasional comment or reading aloud from the ice cream carton that a portion is 1/2 a cup.

My ds totally forgets about food when he is playing with friends. I do try to get him to take a break and eat something because he does fall apart afterward. After several days with a lot on interaction, like when cousins visit, he'll eat and eat so I try to keep him from getting too much in a deficit.

I try to help ds get as much sleep as he needs. He eats more when he is tired. There are other links between not getting enough sleep and being overweight besides simply overeating, something to do with a hormone that is released while sleeping. Even though we are RU and don't have a bedtime, I will suggest we get to bed if he hasn't and I think he is tired. He knows I won't read to him if he wants to stay up too late and he enjoys bedtime.
post #19 of 42
One idea about the juice, my ds likes it when I freeze a mug of it. He scrapes it out with a spoon. It takes time and might be more satisfying because unfrozen juice can be chugged so quickly. My ds isn't huge on drinking juice and doesn't like milk but he does like unfiltered apple juice, occasionally. I'll offer him a frozen cup in the evening if he is asking for something and I don't think he is actually hungry. It keeps his hands and mouth busy until we get to bed and it satisfies his craving for something sweet.
post #20 of 42
Thread Starter 

re: dieting

This is in response to the poster(s) who have mentioned dieting and weight watchers.

I've never been on a diet in my life and as I said before have never had weight issues, however, I've been watching my mom diet as far back as I can remember and she's never satisfied with her weight and thinks about food too much, imo, and I don't want that for my ds. I've been uber sensitive, I've never told my ds he's overweight, but he comes to me and complains that he's fat. I give him tons of encouragement, tell him that if he is active and eats healthy foods then he'll likely grow tall and be more satisfied with the way he looks. He does not think that I think there is anything wrong with him.

My goal is to have him learn to listen to his own cues and know the difference between real hunger, satiaity (sp?), and boredom, lonliness or whatever. He doesn't "get" emotions the way his sisters do, maybe it's something to do with the modeling he sees with males in his life, idk.
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