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Time for a "Jonah's sensitivities" thread- IgG results post 36

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Summary as of Nov 2010

 

Ds is now almost 17mos.

 

Symptoms:

Eczema- cheeks, diaper area, behind elbows.

mucousy/watery poop

headbanging (seems to correlate timewise with the poop)

frequent urination

poor sleep (though there are other factors that affect sleep too)

 

I can see a (possibly loose) pattern with the poop, headbanging, and poor sleep. I don't see any pattern at all with the eczema and the other symptoms. 

 

Food sensitivities: the only known one is sweet potato (which was positive on an IgG panel, which was also positive for pinto beans and kidney beans- but the naturopath said all her clients showed positive for kidney beans).

Highly suspect: egg, disodium EDTA (in food and body products), potato

 

Other than that, we've suspected everything but black beans, it seems.

Our current "might be a problem" list has a lot of foods high in free glutamates, so that may or may not be a coincidence.

 

We did AK a bunch of months ago, and it said he's sensitive to: wheat (not other gluten), milk (not cheese), turkey, onion, mushrooms, chocolate, peanuts, banana, lemon juice with added sulfites (that I took in), shea butter (I do think he reacted to either this or cocoa butter. He showed not sensitive to cocoa butter). It said he was not sensitive to sweet potato (I took it in in a plastic container).

 

ED's-

No wheat for one solid month, plus other bouts of no wheat - end of Jan to Feb 20 (spelt flour), then Feb 22 to Mar 22

No dairy 1.5mos - end of Jan to March 10

No peanuts 3 mos plus - end of Jan til after April

No eggs 2 weeks, plus other bouts of no eggs. No major egg end of Jan to Feb 25

No major soy 3ish weeks - (anything but soy lecithin, and soy in vitamins) end of Jan - Feb 21, then Feb 23 - Mar 15

Low sals over 1 month - Feb 23- Mar 29, Low to moderate sals 1.5ish mos - Feb 23 to Apr 9

Plus other various eliminations.

 

Eczema started about 5-6ish mos old. At first, it was on his lower torso, in his diaper area. We ED'ed, doscovered sweet potato was a trigger, but never found any other connection in a bunch of months. In preparation for an IgG test, we ate 96 different foods in a week, and his rash got better. We stopped ED'ing, and his rash was gone completely about a month later. That was summer time 2010.

Starting a few months ago (maybe Sept-ish), I noticed his poop was mushy and FULL of undigested food. Some of his poops were mostly food, with a little bit of mucous and even less "poop."

Mamafish mentioned that it might be poor digestion, so I started focusing on taking vitamins and supps- prenatal, calcium, mag, D, b12, b combo (I rotate the b's), mo, probiotics, clo (sometimes). Ds gets D-drops, probiotics, clo, and a teeny piece of my b12 every once in a while. After doing this for a month and a half, with a 1 week break, his poop is getting better- it's solid (sometimes semi-solid), and has what seems like a reasonable amount of undigested food most of the time.

But now the eczema on his bum cheeks and elbows is crazy bad. sigh.

 

 

 

 

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So as not to clutter up the ED support thread with our details and questions, I'll start this thread. (thanks for the idea, Kathy!)

About us (I'll try to keep this as brief as possible. Brevity is not my forte, though):
Jonah is 11 months old, and I've been on an ED since January (4+ mos ago). He had eczema (dr. dx'ed) on his cheeks for a couple months before that, but we didn't think that much of it.
His main/first symptom was a rash in his diaper area (dx'ed as eczema) in maybe November? It wasn't bad, and it came and went. It wasn't until a couple months later that it got bad, and wasn't going away. It's in between his penis and belly button, from hip to hip. His doc said there was no way it was related to anything I was eating. At it's worst, it looks like a bad sunburn with welts, and spreads to his scrotum (poor guy ) But now (with some offenders out?), it's usually just rashy looking, and doesn't seem to bother him much.
He has a rash that developed near his belly button in March, that didn't seem to correspond with his main rash. It stayed pretty consistent while his main rash changed a lot. We thought it was ringworm, and treated it with antifungals. It was almost gone when we stopped antifungals (the rx said 7 days only). I/we ate something that triggered his main rash and his bellybutton rash got really red. When I went back to black beans and quinoa, it lightened considerably within a day, to better than it was even after the antifungals.
The eczema on his cheeks seems to correspond with his diaper area rash. His sleep and frequent urination seem unrelated to the rash.

Other known or likely symptoms:
-frequent urination. Usually over 10 times a day. A few times, I've counted as many as 9 times over 5 hours in the morning.
-sleep problems. Sometimes awake for an hour long play session in the middle of the night. Sometimes seems very unsettled all night long, waking up to nurse every time I move. His sleep was pretty good prior to all this, especially considering he was under 6 mos old. On a good night, he goes 3ish hours between nursings, and can settle himself if he wakes slightly in between nursings.

Possible symptoms (I'll add to this as I think of things):
-Constantly putting stuff in his mouth. He tries to eat everything he sees- lint, dirt, sticks, you name it. He's eaten pieces off his board books.
-excess earwax sometimes
-headbanging/shaking his head a lot, but only during the week of the sals trial


He is very likely sensitive to:
Sweet potato (possibly because of the salicylates, but maybe to the whole food), Bragg's soy sauce (maybe), salicylates, banana OR rice, cow's milk- either alone, or in combo with banana (ie calcium depleting mag), something in storebought bread (wheat, dairy, soy, preservatives)

Safe foods so far:
Black beans, quinoa, millet, canola oil, sea salt, sugar, corn free baking powder, soy lecithin (I make quinoa millet waffles, and use spray oil on the waffle iron), tomato, beef, mustard, ketchup.

Foods that cause a very minor rash:
Kale
pear (either minor rash or safe)

There is definitely more than one other food that causes his rash. There is no pattern that I can see, even looking at food chemicals.


Supplements:
I'm taking a good prenatal vitamin, mag, molybdenum, and recently started taking b12. I'll start taking CLO, a b complex, and probiotics once I can test them.
I'm giving him mag and mo. I'll give him a probiotic once I can test it.
Magnesium seems to be helping his sleep.


ummm...what else...
I don't have any apparent allergies other than mango. I reacted to it years ago, but it came up negative on the IgE test. It showed a mild allergy to dust though.
The only food reactions I have are gas and bloating, and it's not caused by black beans (though other beans do it). I think it could be sugar related.
I started having wierd tingling sensations in my legs recently. B12 seemed to help, but I stopped it after a few days to do the TED for ds. I started taking it again 2 days ago, and the tingling is still there.
I also have a high need for protein. If I go too long without eating, I get shaky and grumpy. It seems way more related to protein consumption than sugar/carbs. I forgot about this because it hasn't happened for a while.

Thanks for reading if you got this far! Any opinions and thoughts will be appreciated!


Edited by DevaMajka - 12/10/10 at 6:30pm
post #2 of 68
pears and apples used to give DD2 a rash in her diaper area. I'd forgotten about that one. It was like wherever the pee had touched her skin, it was a raised bumpy rash.

Our doctor said the folliculitis couldn't be caused by food intolerances either. After three rounds of abx, I figured out it was the citric acid (corn) in the probiotic I was giving her (with the help of the mamas here, of course!), removed it from her diet, and it went away and didn't come back. It feels to me like everything can be caused by food!

Have you gotten to baseline (regular frequency peeing, no rash, sleeps good)?

Are you keeping a food journal?

Remember, when feeding him, it can take 1-4 days for a symptom to show up in him, and with BFing, it can be a couple hours after you eat a food, up to 4-5 days to clear (some people say it takes dairy up to a couple months to clear, and gluten more than that to clear). So you're looking at trends.
post #3 of 68
What other constraints are there? You are/were a vegetarian, right?

And do you have any other health issues (non-allergy related, seemingly) that might factor in?
post #4 of 68
As I just wrote in the ED thread, I think it's time to maybe consider a hair test. Mineral deficiencies & metals issues could both be possibilities for several of the symptoms you list - and I think you've been on an ED long enough, honestly. Too long and you'll create more nutrient deficiencies, IMO.

If you decide to do the hair test and need help facilitating it from Canada, just let me know, I'm happy to help there (you could just mail me enough hair, and I can send in the test kit from here). Cost with my newly discovered coupon code is $75 US.
post #5 of 68
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apples were one of the very first things I suspected, based on timing of the rash. But all those instances are explained by sweet potato, so I let go of that theory. Doesn't mean that it didn't contribute, though.

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Have you gotten to baseline (regular frequency peeing, no rash, sleeps good)?
Not everything altogether, no. I don't stay on only black beans and quinoa for more than 2 days. I wonder if it would be worth trying, now that I have my multi in?

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Are you keeping a food journal?
Yes, and I hate it. lol

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What other constraints are there? You are/were a vegetarian, right?
Most of our meals were strict veg before I got pregnant. I usually ate whatever I wanted when I was out, though, so I've never even been vegetarian. When pg, I ate whatever I could get down. After he was born, I ate whatever, but tried to take it easy on meat and dairy.
Now, I'm eating whatever I can, but I really don't like to eat a lot of dairy or meat for days in a row. It couldn't be the bulk of my diet, iykwim.

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And do you have any other health issues (non-allergy related, seemingly) that might factor in?
Not that I can think of. Really low (like nonexistent) sex drive.
Oh, and I'm sensitive to conventional hair products- they make my scalp itch like crazy. I think it could be the fragrance in them.
Other than that and my wierd tingling legs, everything seems normal. I'm not usually tired (and when I am, it's after a bad night with ds), I don't have major cravings really (just want some variety!). I don't feel bogged down.

Mamafish- $75 isn't too bad- thanks so much for the offer! I may take you up on that. What would that tell us? All the mineral deficiencies? All the metals? So after that test, would we be fairly certain what/if minerals and metals we needed to focus on?

Yeah, I know it's been a while on the ED. But I'm so close! (how many times have I said that before?) I told DP that at the end of the month if my diet isn't WAY more varied, that I'd go with your and his plan- eat a big variety of everything except the major suspects.
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Originally Posted by DevaMajka View Post
Mamafish- $75 isn't too bad- thanks so much for the offer! I may take you up on that. What would that tell us? All the mineral deficiencies? All the metals? So after that test, would we be fairly certain what/if minerals and metals we needed to focus on?
It will give you good information on deficiency status for most minerals - unless you have mercury toxicity (which you can tell from the test). Mercury affects mineral transport, so if then the test isn't accurate for minerals - but has pinpointed another big problem. And yes, it will tell you a lot about metals toxicity as well. It's what really got us started on understanding and addressing DS' issues.
post #7 of 68
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I added some symptoms: excess earwax and headbanging/shaking his head a lot (but only during the week of the sals trial).

Also, that I have a high need for protein (which my vegan friend said was unlikely ). If I go too long without eating, I get shaky and grumpy. It seems way more related to protein consumption than sugar/carbs. I forgot about this because it hasn't happened for a while, interestingly enough.

Dp and I agree that if we don't have more safe foods at the end of this trial (Friday), we'll do one of those tests.

Which test would you do first? The AllerGSpot for $250 or the minerals/metal test that Mamafish mentioned for $75?
post #8 of 68
Hearing this sounds so much like my dd.

Have you completely cut out the top allergens?


I agree about the ED limiting nutrients. It was this site that got me thinking about adding nutrients and finally seeing skin reactions go away.
post #9 of 68
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At one point, all of the top allergens, plus gluten and corn were out. I was corn free for a long time, GF for a month, DF for a month or more.
Actually, for most of my ED, the list of what I *was* eating was way shorter than the list of what I wasn't. Most of my slipups were fruit, veggies, chocolate, etc.

But that's not to say that some of the problems aren't top 8 allergens. I'm guessing he's sensitive to one or more. There are just others messing up the results. Unless he's sensitive to rice- that's one thing that I haven't avoided much.

I'm going to go check out that link- thanks!
post #10 of 68
Well I have had the feeling that rice is an issue for along time. I would cut that out and see how it goes.
post #11 of 68
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I did realize today that the only time I've been both rice AND wheat free, is on black beans and quinoa (and millet). Rice is out for now, and I think you're right- I'm going to leave it out for a while, until I specifically test it.
I should know tomorrow if taking wheat out helped. There's a chance it's slightly better already. Not that I want it to be wheat, but omg, it would be so exciting to actually KNOW something!

eta that rice would make sense of why his rash improved so much when I added wheat (homemade sourdough). That's one thing that wouldn't make sense if he is sensitive to wheat. But I've been eating store bread recently, so it could be some other ingredient.

etaa- is it really sad that I'm excited to see if his rash improves tomorrow? It's like Christmas Eve up in here!
post #12 of 68
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But I've been eating store bread recently, so it could be some other ingredient.
Naughty mama.......

Don't go and mess up your food trial.
post #13 of 68
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Other known or likely symptoms:
-frequent urination. Usually over 10 times a day. A few times, I've counted as many as 9 times over 5 hours in the morning.
Are you sure this is frequent? My son is 13 months and still goes this much. We EC, so I'm pretty aware of frequency. He goes about every 30-45 minutes in the AM, and then every 45 minutes to an hour in the PM. He also goes several times at night - any time he wakes to nurse. Of course, we are dealing with the same issues (eczema and food allergy), so maybe we have the same symptom!
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Originally Posted by DevaMajka View Post
The eczema on his cheeks seems to correspond with his diaper area rash....

He is very likely sensitive to:
-Sweet potato (possibly because of the salicylates, but maybe to the whole food). There's a major pattern of him reacting to these, and those reactions were the worst ones.
-Bragg's soy sauce. Not as strong a pattern.
-Salicylates- on the last trial caused sleep issues- awake for an hour every night that week.
-banana- mild rash
-cow's milk- either alone, or in combo with banana (ie calcium depleting mag)

Safe foods:
Black beans, quinoa, millet, canola oil, sea salt, sugar, corn free baking powder, soy lecithin (I make quinoa millet waffles, and use spray oil on the waffle iron), small amounts of tomato.

I also was eating bread, butter, and cheese (I caved and had grilled cheese) and chocolate for about a week after we hit baseline before his rash came back. I'd added a bunch of other stuff (that I thought was safe) in the few days prior to his rash.

Foods that cause a very minor rash:
Kale
pear (either minor rash or safe)
Not sure if I'm projecting, but some of what you are reporting says YEAST to me. The correlation of the cheeks & diaper area (Is he teething, wet on the cheeks a lot?)... and some of the foods he's reacting to: sweet potato, braggs, banana, milk... Also, the fact that you've added bread, butter, & cheese and it got worse.. and that you THINK sugar is ok. No idea if I'm at all in the ballpark, but this is something that I'm looking at for my DD.

I know that you said you're not craving anything, but you did mention gas & bloating.

I'm also thinking that he didn't react to the kale, that you had something else in your system still. Just a hunch.

FWIW, my kids put everything in their mouths, but who knows if they're normal.

Good Luck!!!
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I added some symptoms: excess earwax and headbanging/shaking his head a lot (but only during the week of the sals trial).

Also, that I have a high need for protein (which my vegan friend said was unlikely ). If I go too long without eating, I get shaky and grumpy. It seems way more related to protein consumption than sugar/carbs. I forgot about this because it hasn't happened for a while, interestingly enough.

Dp and I agree that if we don't have more safe foods at the end of this trial (Friday), we'll do one of those tests.

Which test would you do first? The AllerGSpot for $250 or the minerals/metal test that Mamafish mentioned for $75?
Being raised veg, I can tell you I got used to that shakey, weak feeling that I had most of my life. Even though we ate lots of soy products we didn't eat beans very much, and when we did I'd have stomach aches/gas. Since becoming a meat eater at 12 or 13, the shaking and weakness stopped, so I think it was inadequate protein since I haven't felt that way for years.
post #16 of 68
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So, his rash has improved quite a bit, and he slept well last night. We took out bread yesterday. So I'm officially thinking he's sensitive to something in the bread- wheat, soy, dairy, or maybe calcium proprionate. Still leaves some guesswork, but at least we're down to one of 3 or 4 things, instead of one of 50 s
Still could potentially be the kale, since we didn't have any yesterday. But I agree with Huck that kale isn't the problem.

I have wondered about yeast. His cheeks aren't wet- he doesn't have much drooling going on. Also we change his diaper as soon as he pees, every time (unless we're out, then we use stay-dry cd's). But I've still wondered about yeast- I had a yeast infection right before he was born, and didn't know what it was (never had one before) until after he was born. So, maybe?
His rash doesn't correlate to my sugar intake, but I was thinking that he's not reacting to the sugar, but that it messes up my system and that's causing him to react in some way.

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Are you sure this is frequent?
No, I'm not positive. I think I've read that 10x/day can be the high side of normal. But I do think that when he pees 9 times over 5 hours, that's excessive. He has had days where he pees much less, say 5 times over 6 hours. It seems to loosely correlate with his rash.
post #17 of 68
Didn't you just start up B12 again too, Becky? That could be at play here as well...
post #18 of 68
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I did, good point. Which also reminds me, that I now have hope that it will pass! My legs are still tingly, but it's only been 2 days.

hmmm...but it's following the same pattern of improving after I removed bread the last time. Well, it won't be too hard to keep out wheat, soy, and dairy for a while, either way.
post #19 of 68
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Look what I just found here:
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A low level of calcium in the blood and tissues can cause hypocalcaemia. This involves sensations of tingling and numbness and muscle twitches.
My diet has been pretty low in calcium, while on the ED. I haven't consumed much dairy for a long time. My main source of calcium pre-ED was greens, some tofu, and occasionally canned salmon.
Could this have anything to do with the tingling in my legs?

I suppose when I up my calcium, I should also up my mag. I doubled my mag in the last couple of days, and no loose poo for me, so I'm guessing so far so good.
post #20 of 68
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Look what I just found here:


My diet has been pretty low in calcium, while on the ED. I haven't consumed much dairy for a long time. My main source of calcium pre-ED was greens, some tofu, and occasionally canned salmon.
Could this have anything to do with the tingling in my legs?

I suppose when I up my calcium, I should also up my mag. I doubled my mag in the last couple of days, and no loose poo for me, so I'm guessing so far so good.
Good to know! I have sensation issues. Time to get some nettles steeping...
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