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post #61 of 79
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Originally Posted by JavaJunkie View Post
It's more than just that, even. I looked into this issue when I cut off contact with my parents. If both parents are living and agree that the grandparents should not have contact with the kids, then that trumps all. Nothing else matters. The grandparents' rights usually come into play when 1) the grandparents have had a large role in caring and providing for the child and 2) one of the parents has died and the living parent prohibits contact with the grandparents against the dead parent's wishes(when he/she was alive). Both criteria need to be met, from everything that I read on the issue.
this is not true. I cut out my DH family after he died and had every legal right to do so. they had no case whatsoever to try to gain visitation. seriously, the only way they have a case is if they have supported the child in question financially for a certain amount of time (as in the child lived with the grandparent).
post #62 of 79
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this is not true. I cut out my DH family after he died and had every legal right to do so. they had no case whatsoever to try to gain visitation. seriously, the only way they have a case is if they have supported the child in question financially for a certain amount of time (as in the child lived with the grandparent).
If I understand correctly, the PP wasn't suggesting that grandparents automatically get rights in situations like that, just that that's the bare minimum for grandparents' rights to even be considered by the courts. I'm sure a lot of this is state-specific as well.
post #63 of 79
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Originally Posted by rainbowmoon View Post
this is not true. I cut out my DH family after he died and had every legal right to do so. they had no case whatsoever to try to gain visitation. seriously, the only way they have a case is if they have supported the child in question financially for a certain amount of time (as in the child lived with the grandparent).
I said that both conditions(the 1 & 2 that I listed) needed to be met in order for the grandparents to have any sort of possible case for visitation rights, per what I read on the matter.
post #64 of 79
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Originally Posted by JavaJunkie View Post
I said that both conditions(the 1 & 2 that I listed) needed to be met in order for the grandparents to have any sort of possible case for visitation rights, per what I read on the matter.
#1 is not a valid reason for visitation. (even with #2)
post #65 of 79
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Originally Posted by rainbowmoon View Post
#1 is not a valid reason for visitation. (even with #2)
You said essentially the same thing that I did.

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the only way they have a case is if they have supported the child in question financially for a certain amount of time (as in the child lived with the grandparent).
Which was what my #1 meant. Sorry if that wasn't clear enough.
post #66 of 79
OP, I really feel your pain and can identify with many of the things you have written. My mother is emotionally abusive and was physically abusive while I was growing up. She is also a master manipulator. When we had children, we knew that neither set of grandparents would be permitted to babysit. Of course, they assumed that they would be allowed. Both sets were very angry, but we made sure that we made arrangements for them to see the kids in a very strictly supervised manner. In this way, they couldn't say that we were keeping the grandkids from them. One reason we permitted this was not because of grandparents rights but because sometimes people will use other methods to either retaliate or get what they want-specifically by using DCF or CPS. When my sister was not acting in ways that my mother liked, she called child service anonymously about my sisters son. Repeatedly. Nothing ever came of it, but it was stressful for my sister. My mother has mentioned in the past to my sister that she could call child services on me because we keep a strict (to her) diet-mostly vegan, gluten free. We don't vax, we cosleep, homeschool and breastfeed for years. To the wrong social worker, these things could cause trouble for us needlessly. To clarify, the threat of CPS is not the only or even first reason we allow contact. I have been to therapy and have learned to set boundaries with her, so I feel ok with very strict supervised contact on my terms. I don't answer her calls when I don't want to, I don't engage in toxic conversations with her and I see her only as often as I like, where I like. However, I will acknowledge that she parented me much better than she was parented (truly horrifying and heartbreaking) and I can give her visitation because it is on my terms. Over time, all of the grandparents have come to grudgingly accept our rules and we are able to see each other with a minimum of drama. Obviously, our way won't work for all families and there are circumstances that require a complete cutting off. I just wanted to share what worked for us.
post #67 of 79
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I do also worry about CPS because, when DS was a month old, my mom jokingly threatened calling them so she could get him. (I had been staying there while DH was in military training...I spent a month with my parents and a month with his so it was even time with the new baby) I FREAKED OUT on her about it and it was never mentioned again... But she knows that they could at least raise a few flags...
post #68 of 79
Anyone who "jokingly" threatened me with CPS or a court order would find themselves completely cut off from my family. I would consider that person to be genuinely dangerous and we would no longer have any contact at all. I would also strongly consider trying to get a restraining order against them.
post #69 of 79
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Originally Posted by peainthepod View Post
Anyone who "jokingly" threatened me with CPS or a court order would find themselves completely cut off from my family. I would consider that person to be genuinely dangerous and we would no longer have any contact at all. I would also strongly consider trying to get a restraining order against them.
DH raised an eyebrow when I told him the first time...but it was never mentioned again (by them) so we haven't thought about it since. Not until I wrote that paragraph anyway.

But my mother would probably deny she ever said it anyway.
post #70 of 79
My parents are also toxic (and so we no longer have contact with them) so I can completely relate. The gaslighting (where they do something and then deny doing it, or go out of their way to hurt you and then tell you you have no right or reason to be hurt, or say something cruel and then tell you they were "just joking" or you should "lighten up", etc.), manipulation, and abuse are not going to go away. They won't change. They won't see reason. They won't start seeing you as a person with feelings and needs of your own. You're an object to them, something to play with and abuse at their whim. They want to control you. They don't understand (or refuse to understand) that you don't have to put up with it. It's up to you to show them. You're a grown woman and people don't get to treat you like garbage just because they donated your DNA. Family is supposed to treat you better than strangers off the street. If someone you don't know from Adam started doing this, how would you react? What would you do to protect yourself? That's what you have to do now, to these people who have the audacity to call themselves your parents. I know it's easier said than done, and the first step is the hardest by far. But standing up for yourself will be good for you, for your marriage, and will serve as a fabulous example for your children, who see that Mommy loves herself enough not to let others trample her boundaries and feelings. They learn that no one gets to treat them like dirt, not even family. It's a powerful lesson.

I've been there, mama. It's no fun. Shaking up the family wolf pack hierarchy was the hardest thing I've ever done, but definitely one of the most rewarding. They don't live in my head anymore. I don't care what they think about me. I feel like an orphan, but that's better than feeling like an abuse victim and a bad person.

I agree with others that you should get Caller ID and stop answering the phone when they call. Or you can do what I did--make an all-purpose DO NOT ANSWER contact for your phones and put all their numbers in it, as well as telemarketers and other obnoxious people. That way when the phone rings and you see "DO NOT ANSWER" pop up, you can ignore it and go about your day. You don't know if it was your abusive parents or some guy trying to sell you a mortgage refinance, so there's a lot less guilt when you let it go to voicemail.

You can also make a throwaway email account at Gmail and have any email from your parents' email addresses forwarded there and automatically deleted from your main account's inbox. DH can check the throwaway account for you on occasion, but you don't have to see their letters or know how often they're trying to contact you. Best of all, Gmail archives everything forever, so if you need it for future legal purposes, it's all there.

You're very strong to stand up to these people. The pull of "But they're your parents!" is very very powerful and society frowns on those of us who were raised by abusers and choose to limit or break contact. That's okay; society doesn't live your life and isn't responsible for your and your children's safety. Let them frown.

Keep protecting yourself and your family. You're doing the right thing.
post #71 of 79
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Originally Posted by JavaJunkie View Post
You said essentially the same thing that I did.



Which was what my #1 meant. Sorry if that wasn't clear enough.
gotcha!
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post #73 of 79
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Originally Posted by peainthepod View Post
My parents are also toxic (and so we no longer have contact with them) so I can completely relate....

....You're very strong to stand up to these people. The pull of "But they're your parents!" is very very powerful and society frowns on those of us who were raised by abusers and choose to limit or break contact. That's okay; society doesn't live your life and isn't responsible for your and your children's safety. Let them frown.

Keep protecting yourself and your family. You're doing the right thing.

I can relate to and agree with all of this.
post #74 of 79
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Originally Posted by peainthepod View Post

You're very strong to stand up to these people. The pull of "But they're your parents!" is very very powerful and society frowns on those of us who were raised by abusers and choose to limit or break contact. That's okay; society doesn't live your life and isn't responsible for your and your children's safety. Let them frown.

Keep protecting yourself and your family. You're doing the right thing.
Thank you for this.
post #75 of 79
First of all, so sorry you are going through this! It sounds frustrating and hurtful. Secondly, I haven't read all the posts, but I did read several that said Grandparents rights don't mean squat, and I wanted to caution you that this isn't always the case. When my DH's ex ran off with their two kids, my DH didn't have the money at the time to pursue legal action (this was long before we knew each other). So his parents sued for Grandparents rights, and won. Trust me, these scenarios are very different and there is probably some action you could take to ensure that your parents don't have access to your child, maybe you could consult a lawyer or legal person about this? I don't mean to be negative at all, I just wanted to share that sometimes grandparents are granted rights, and it would definitely be best to be proactive now so that this doesn't happen to you.

So sorry you are going through this, and I'm hopeful things work out well for you!
post #76 of 79
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Originally Posted by j_p_i View Post
First of all, so sorry you are going through this! It sounds frustrating and hurtful. Secondly, I haven't read all the posts, but I did read several that said Grandparents rights don't mean squat, and I wanted to caution you that this isn't always the case. When my DH's ex ran off with their two kids, my DH didn't have the money at the time to pursue legal action (this was long before we knew each other). So his parents sued for Grandparents rights, and won. Trust me, these scenarios are very different and there is probably some action you could take to ensure that your parents don't have access to your child, maybe you could consult a lawyer or legal person about this? I don't mean to be negative at all, I just wanted to share that sometimes grandparents are granted rights, and it would definitely be best to be proactive now so that this doesn't happen to you.

So sorry you are going through this, and I'm hopeful things work out well for you!
What most people have said is that Gparent's rights apply in your situation but not in mine. In mine it's both parents deciding, together, to keep the contact very limited. They've been granted contact in the past year (I lived with them for a month after DS was born for crying out loud) so they can't say that we're "holding him hostage" or "keeping them from having any relationship." We just don't let THEM make the calls on when and where they get to visit. That doesn't fall under "Grandparent's Rights" at all. It more falls under "My mother thinks she can still make decisions for me even though I'm 23" (eyeroll at her not at you)
post #77 of 79
That makes sense, thankfully since it sounds as though your parents have made some unreasonable accusations/demands. Stay strong mama.
post #78 of 79
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Originally Posted by lilyka View Post
If you cannot tell your parents no and stand up to them why are you still talking to them at all. get caller ID and be done with it.
I haven't read the whole thread but the best thing you can do for yourself is STOP ANSWERING THE PHONE!!!!!
post #79 of 79
Even then it is very hard to get grandparent rights. Sadly, I have close family on the other side of this. My uncle & aunt have been cut off from seeing their 2 grandchildren by their ex-daughter-in-law, who has made baseless allegations that they mistreat the children. She is punishing them to spite my cousin, her ex. It is a true nightmare. Every time I see them I want to cry. They carry this pain with them every single day. They have spent a lot of money on lawyers, bent over backwards to meet all of her demands. I know how much my child's grandparents adore her: I can't imagine what they would do if they could never see her again.

Your abusive parents don't stand a chance!! I feel for you.

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Originally Posted by OkiMom View Post
The threat would make me want to cut off contact as well. It was a pointless threat because grandparent's rights is a really hard thing to get granted. Bascially you have to be a big part of the child's life and then have the parents say sorry you can't see them anymore at all.
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