The "Whatever" Thread - Page 3

[MarineWife]

I wasn't upset by what you said. Just giving another perspective.

I think chemical pregnancy is a medical term. It's usually used to distinguish a m/c that occurs before 6w, around the time that a pg would be seen on a transvaginal u/s. I've never had a doc tell me that I had a chem pg but then I never asked. I knew before any docs did what was going on.

[neveryoumindthere]

I guess I'm here too.. though I think I may be nuts because I'm only 2.5 weeks postpartum! :

This pregnancy (well, most of it) and labour were really awesome (4th babe).. and this is the first time I felt like I could go either way. Every other pregnancy I was like "UGH, never again!"
But this time around I felt like if I got pregnant soon I'd be excited and if not I'd be happy too.


Not sure dh would agree though.lol

[onetwoten]

I thought a chemical pregnancy was the term for one that is fertilized but does not implant? I could be wrong.... Either way, a miscarriage is still a miscarriage, and hurts nonetheless. I think the perspective changes maybe when you start to have problems carrying a pregnancy longer. Because I kind of feel the same way, that it would be easier on me to not know, since we do know they happen so frequently. But I also know beyond a doubt in my mind that if several months/6years from now I'm having trouble carrying a pregnancy, but knowing that I'm having chemical pregnancies that aren't going anywhere-- you'd better believe I'd want to know everything about it. But until that point... I think it just hurts too much. I had one that I'm absolutely sure was a chemical pregnancy, and it devestated me. I was a walking mess for a month, and that was even with one that had the most horrible timing had it gone to term. But regardless like you said, if it's 10 days or 20 weeks, etc... it's still a baby, and it hurt losing it. I guess knowing that whatever we said something like 50% don't make it... I think I'd just rather have ignorance, as long as I'm not having troubles otherwise, you know?

[BarefootScientist]

Originally Posted by jeninejessica

lyterae: I saw the nice temp rise... *wiggles eyebrows* No really though... this is the sort of thing I'm talking about, because you get to that point and (I anyways...) find that I can't think of anything else. And I find as we're getting more into the whatever stage and less of the avoiding, I'm starting to find so many more 'symptoms' and wanting to test early to find out. But at the same time... I don't want to. I want that excitement of "Wait a minute! I'm LATE!" not testing every 12 hours from 7dpo onwards and freaking out about it. Sounds pretty much impossible though, doesn't it!!

Um...yeah...even when I'm CTA I get obsessive towards the end of each cycle when there is even the slightest chance. So if we do DTD during a fertile time, you can bet I'll be testing early and so forth. If you prefer, though, I will certainly go stress about it on another thread.

Originally Posted by jeninejessica

I thought a chemical pregnancy was the term for one that is fertilized but does not implant? I could be wrong.... Either way, a miscarriage is still a miscarriage, and hurts nonetheless.

Well, pregnancy is surprisingly kind of a slippery term. Technically, medically, you aren't pregnant until the blastocyst implants, so no, you can't have a miscarriage before that. If the fertilized egg doesn't implant, you were never pregnant. IMO it's a little misleading, but I think it's because it can't be detected medically. Same idea with a chemical pregnancy - I believe the reason they call it "chemical" is because it can only be detected chemically - as MW said, they can't see it on the ultrasound.

It's just the medical lingo.

[akind1]

From what I understand, the fertilized egg (zygote?) starts releasing the hormone that pregnancy tests tests for . . mind is going blank . . .HCG I think - before implantation, so you might test positive on a sensitive hpt and the baby not implant. either way, to me it is a loss, but I would rather not know myself. (ignorance is bliss, they say) I have had a couple of longish cycles where I wondered, did I conceive and lose, or are these just long cycles. I am a POAS pansy, BTW.

The cycle we conceived DS, I gave up on the lined tests, and used one that was digital "pregnant" or "not pregnant" I wanted no doubt at 6 a.m. I would do the same if I were pretty sure I was again. I like the certainty.

Trying not to list out possible imaginary pregnancy symptoms is so hard! really, could be anything.

[MarineWife]

hCG does not show up in blood or urine until after the fertilized egg implants. That's why you can't get a + hpt before then. So, you can't be considered pg before implantation because there's no way to know before then whether or not an egg is fertilized. Like I said before, a pg is considered chemical if it is miscarried before it can be detected by means other than just the chemical, hCG. That is usually around the 6w mark because that's usually the earliest time a heartbeat can be detected on ultrasound. I don't know if those dates may have to change since u/ses are getting more and more sensitive. I saw my pg with ds2 on u/s at 5w4d. It was only an amniotic sac and fetal pole, no heartbeat, but there was definitely something there.

Here are some quotes and links about chemical pgs.

This is a medical term for a very early miscarriage. This type of loss usually occurs before or right around when a woman would expect her period.

http://pregnancy.about.com/od/pregna...chemicalpg.htm

A chemical pregnancy is the term given to a pregnancy that ends very early in the first trimester. Chemical pregnancies are confirmed by testing for hCG, the hormones that indicate the presence of a pregnancy. These hormones are typically detected by a urine or blood pregnancy test. However, within weeks, these hCG levels begin to drop rapidly, signifying an end to the pregnancy. As a result, your baby and his amniotic sac cannot be seen on an ultrasound and a miscarriage takes place.

http://www.womens-health.co.uk/chemical.html

If you read a little more on the 2nd link, it does say that the embryo usually dies before implantation but it doesn't say the fertilized egg doesn't implant. Most likely what happens is that the fertilized egg implants but the body quickly realizes the embryo inside is not developing and it miscarries the pg.

[onetwoten]

Originally Posted by BarefootScientist

Um...yeah...even when I'm CTA I get obsessive towards the end of each cycle when there is even the slightest chance. So if we do DTD during a fertile time, you can bet I'll be testing early and so forth. If you prefer, though, I will certainly go stress about it on another thread.



Well, pregnancy is surprisingly kind of a slippery term. Technically, medically, you aren't pregnant until the blastocyst implants, so no, you can't have a miscarriage before that. If the fertilized egg doesn't implant, you were never pregnant. IMO it's a little misleading, but I think it's because it can't be detected medically. Same idea with a chemical pregnancy - I believe the reason they call it "chemical" is because it can only be detected chemically - as MW said, they can't see it on the ultrasound.

It's just the medical lingo.

Oh no, if you *want* to test, then that's fine. It'll help me in my goal because i can focus on your testing instead of my own It's exciting watching when others do it, I just don't want to throw myself into that emotional roller coaster!

I am a POAS pansy, BTW.

Me too! We can avoid it together. I've literally only ever taken one test. Scary.


It's funny how so many sites word these things differently. I think I may have been confusing the baby dying before implantation with it not implanting at all. Either way, as we said, it's hard. I'll change my mind if we have trouble conceiving, but until then... I feel like my emotional well being is better just... not knowing, you know?

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by jeninejessica

It's funny how so many sites word these things differently. I think I may have been confusing the baby dying before implantation with it not implanting at all. Either way, as we said, it's hard. I'll change my mind if we have trouble conceiving, but until then... I feel like my emotional well being is better just... not knowing, you know?

Yeah, I found some site with better explanations when I googled it a long time ago. Didn't come across any of those sites this time. It's not abnormal to have one chemical pg so, if you've had one, it's nothing to necessarily worry about. It's only a problem if you have several, especially in a row, or if you know you have a problem that increases your risk of m/c.

[akind1]

once I got my + hpt I used up all the other tests in the house over the next couple weeks to reassure myself. silly, I know. On one hand I hate not knowing if I have O'd, when I O'd ot when I will. OTOH I am relishing the "what if"ness at the moment

[onetwoten]

lol that reminds me of an opposite sort of story... My SIL has two children that are 16 months apart, and she has a septate uterus, so c-sections and high risk for all them, every one of her children has also been born after labor starting spontaneously at 35 weeks. Suffice to say, after she was told after the second NOT to get pregnant right away, to wait at least a year, to give her body time to heal. Evenso, she started talking about having the next one right away, and making comments like "oh I'm sure one of us will be pregnant by x date".

We all knew she had been trying, but when she eventually told everyone that yes she was indeed expecting again, she claimed she was totally in shock, and hadn't been expecting it at all. The kicker is, she announced the pregnancy 5 days before her period was due (yes, she told us), and claimed that the only reason she had taken a test was because she had been 'cleaning the bathroom, and found the tests left over from the last pregnancy, noticed they were going to expire, and figured she'd use them.' It was so laughable.

[Baby_Cakes]

Originally Posted by jeninejessica

...The kicker is, she announced the pregnancy 5 days before her period was due (yes, she told us), and claimed that the only reason she had taken a test was because she had been 'cleaning the bathroom, and found the tests left over from the last pregnancy, noticed they were going to expire, and figured she'd use them.' It was so laughable.

That's too funny and totally something I would do!

So, last night DD was up and restless for about an hour w/a low grade fever, and I have work this morning. I found myself multiple times thinking, "Am I nuts?" I have completely forgotten how hard it is to be up with a newborn at night. Can someone remind me how worth it it is? B/c right now I'm thinking why rock this great boat we have?

Yet another reason to whatever and not try! I almost don't want to admit that I want something for fear that if I "fail" I'm responsible for the decision!

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by jeninejessica

lThe kicker is, she announced the pregnancy 5 days before her period was due (yes, she told us), and claimed that the only reason she had taken a test was because she had been 'cleaning the bathroom, and found the tests left over from the last pregnancy, noticed they were going to expire, and figured she'd use them.' It was so laughable.

I wouldn't go so far as to make up a story around it but I sure would be testing that early. I'm definitely a POASoholic. If I think there's the slightest chance I could be pg, I'm testing as early as 6dpo. I hope I can not do that anymore. It's so hard for me, though, because I want to know asap and I've gotten BFPs as early as 7dpo.

[lyterae]

Originally Posted by MarineWife

I wouldn't go so far as to make up a story around it but I sure would be testing that early. I'm definitely a POASoholic. If I think there's the slightest chance I could be pg, I'm testing as early as 6dpo. I hope I can not do that anymore. It's so hard for me, though, because I want to know asap and I've gotten BFPs as early as 7dpo.

I would LOVE to POAS today. The hubby is still completely cool about the whole thing, and heck why not wait a whole extra week and then test?? Goodness. I know that it technically doesn't make any difference if I know today or if I know next week, but it certainly feels like it would make a difference... Maybe then I could stop obsessing over whether I am or whether I'm not. Craziness.

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by lyterae

I would LOVE to POAS today. The hubby is still completely cool about the whole thing, and heck why not wait a whole extra week and then test?? Goodness. I know that it technically doesn't make any difference if I know today or if I know next week, but it certainly feels like it would make a difference... Maybe then I could stop obsessing over whether I am or whether I'm not. Craziness.

Your chart is looking very interesting, triphasic. The problem with testing now is, if you get a BFN, you will still obsess because that won't be definitive so early. A BFP would be but not many people get a BFP so early (or so FF says). I think FF says the earliest most people get a BFP is 13.5dpo or something like that.

I just checked the FF stats and I'm not sure. Their pregnancy test analysis says average dpo for first BFP is 13.6 dpo but looking at the charts for each individual hpt, there are a lot of BFPs at 10dpo. I'm probably not going to be very good at supporting everything in whatevering if that includes not poas. Sorry

[lyterae]

Originally Posted by MarineWife

Your chart is looking very interesting, triphasic. The problem with testing now is, if you get a BFN, you will still obsess because that won't be definitive so early. A BFP would be but not many people get a BFP so early (or so FF says). I think FF says the earliest most people get a BFP is 13.5dpo or something like that.

I just checked the FF stats and I'm not sure. Their pregnancy test analysis says average dpo for first BFP is 13.6 dpo but looking at the charts for each individual hpt, there are a lot of BFPs at 10dpo. I'm probably not going to be very good at supporting everything in whatevering if that includes not poas. Sorry

My last pregnancy I tested at 12 DPO and got a positive... I suspected already but when I temped that morning and it hadn't dropped I was pretty sure.

I'm probably going to stick with the original plan of waiting until Wednesday. AF is due on Tuesday, if my temp is still up on Tuesday I will make the hubby stop for tests. I fully intend of getting of one those neat tests that will spell it out for me at that point in time. The last time DH was like... "that line isn't as dark as the other one, are you sure?"

[MarineWife]

Originally Posted by lyterae

"that line isn't as dark as the other one, are you sure?"

That was another thing I had thought of that can make some people obsess even more if they test early. It's hard for some to believe that even a very faint, almost not there, line means bfp. I, personally, hate those digital tests. I don't bother with them until I'm past my lp length because they aren't as sensitive, imo.

[onetwoten]

Originally Posted by MarineWife

I wouldn't go so far as to make up a story around it but I sure would be testing that early. I'm definitely a POASoholic. If I think there's the slightest chance I could be pg, I'm testing as early as 6dpo. I hope I can not do that anymore. It's so hard for me, though, because I want to know asap and I've gotten BFPs as early as 7dpo.

LOL the thing is... it would have been a cute story had it been anyone else... it's just that she KNEW she was going to get yelled at, both by family and by her doctor (who tore her a new one) because she had specifically been told to avoid, and she was actually trying.

Heck, if you are confident about it, and know you can take the stress, I say test as early as you want! It would be cool to know super early. I'm not so sure I'd tell everyone that early though.

I think ideally, I'd tell DH, and obviously all my internet 'peoples' (I blog too, but no one IRL reads me) but I think I would want to wait a few weeks to say something to family. That way I get to celebrate with people who "know me" intimately, and if heaven forbid something were to happen, they would be there to support me, but I wouldn't have to deal with family, whom I think would be harder to deal with in both the happy and sad cases. I'm not good at vulnerable emotion with my family. At any rate, I'm excited about the idea of having a 'secret' that just DH and I know about irl.

In other news... babysitting for a five month old tonight at our house, and she'll be spending the night until the wee hours (parents are out partying). I love it, and I love that it gives DH a chance to kind of ease into things and get used to having a little one in the house.

She also gives me a template for all those half finished crochet projects that I can't figure out the size on...

[Mummoth]

It's my first month charting, and I'm on CD 35. I'm keeping track online and on paper in order to get a better grasp on how to interpret a chart. Well, it looks to me like I haven't Oed, but I had thermometer issues. The online chart put up some cross hairs but they're on walkabout (gone from CD 10 to CD 19 and now to CD 28) and now I feel like I've got raging PMS.

I've gone back and forth, and back and forth... and back and forth on whether this Que Sera approach is wise, or we should go back to avoiding. Two nights ago I told SO I wanted to wait a while longer before having a baby and then yesterday I was choking back tears all day, over the dumbest things!

GRRRR!!! I'm done thinking about this for today, I'm driving myself nuts! WhatEVER!!

[lyterae]

Originally Posted by Mummoth

It's my first month charting, and I'm on CD 35. I'm keeping track online and on paper in order to get a better grasp on how to interpret a chart. Well, it looks to me like I haven't Oed, but I had thermometer issues. The online chart put up some cross hairs but they're on walkabout (gone from CD 10 to CD 19 and now to CD 28) and now I feel like I've got raging PMS.

I've gone back and forth, and back and forth... and back and forth on whether this Que Sera approach is wise, or we should go back to avoiding. Two nights ago I told SO I wanted to wait a while longer before having a baby and then yesterday I was choking back tears all day, over the dumbest things!

GRRRR!!! I'm done thinking about this for today, I'm driving myself nuts! WhatEVER!!

I think the decision is frightening... There is a good chance I am pregnant this cycle and I'm having a very hard time reconciling my feelings. We had good reasons for waiting, my biological urges have been winning out in the past several months though. I think I will be both ecstatic and sad all at the same time.

Today is 11DPO, no temp dip yet... My LP is usually 12 days.

[kcroto42]

Originally Posted by lyterae

I think the decision is frightening... There is a good chance I am pregnant this cycle and I'm having a very hard time reconciling my feelings. We had good reasons for waiting, my biological urges have been winning out in the past several months though. I think I will be both ecstatic and sad all at the same time.

Today is 11DPO, no temp dip yet... My LP is usually 12 days.