Kid friendly foods for Vit K2/D/A and amounts?

[Rasa]

I'm wondering what a decent 'days' food-based diet for a five year old would look like from the perspective of vitamins K2/A/D.

My child will willingly eat butter (good pastured butter, though it's not raw) and pastured bacon...but I'm struggling to think of what else I can feed her--that she'll willingly eat that will get her enough vitamin K2/D/A and in the proper ratios? Oh, she'll usually eat a pastured egg about once a day (some days zero, other days 3 ).

She won't take any kind of supplement yet (she's 5) and there's no way to 'sneak' it in (FCLO/BO, etc)--oh but she will take Vit. D drops (I'm not religious with these and am confused, to say the least, about how much to give). She likes some dark green things like broccoli (with lots of butter) but nothing 'leafy'. We haven't had any success with fermented veggies but she'll consume a small amount of coconut-milk kefir in a smoothie. Most times she'll eat buttered carrots/yams (orange things!) Fresh wild salmon is usually for her but shellfish type seafood not so much.

How much of these types of foods (rich in K2/D/A) should we aim for daily? I suspect she has gluten/dairy intolerance issues (I'm GF/CF due to similar issues but she doesn't want to go that route completely) and we've just started some digestive enzymes to help with that....don't know if there's an interplay there.

[Magelet]

(subbing for me! I don't think I get enough vit. k)

[LDSmomma]

A tip I have for FCLO: I've heard you can rub the dose into the skin rather than eating it. Apparently, that's how it was done, traditionally, until someone thought of ingesting it. My friend rubs it into her son's feet after bathtime. DS has taken it once, plain, but won't do that anymore. For a while, I could dilute orange flavored fclo in orange juce, but he won't do that any more either. I got the gummies, though, and he will eat those, but I have to cut them up into little bits, since he can't chew the whole fish up.

[Rasa]

I'm a little worried about FCLO at this point...I was taking a tsp a day of it for several months and had some issues with bruising and bleeding. I'm having some tests done but am avoiding FCLO for myself for now and my daughter and I seem so similar in the way we react to things I'm trying to approach this without the FCLO for a while.

I've been bumping info about the combined interactions of D/A/K2 and I'm pretty confused--it there an easy rule of thumb?

If we're supplementing Vitamin D (2000 IU caps for me, 2 a day usually unless I feel sick and 500IU drops for her, when I remember--eek!) should I be careful about getting a certain amount of A at the same time/day? Like with food? What about K2?

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by Rasa

I'm a little worried about FCLO at this point...I was taking a tsp a day of it for several months and had some issues with bruising and bleeding. I'm having some tests done but am avoiding FCLO for myself for now and my daughter and I seem so similar in the way we react to things I'm trying to approach this without the FCLO for a while.

Depending on how you feel about approaching things on your own... I bruise more easily when I take cod liver oil, my son gets nosebleeds. Seems to run in my family. Took me a while to piece things together, but the solution for us is supplemental K2. I have no idea how variable dosing is from person-to-person, or family-to-family (DS and I are fairly similar to each other). I use a high dose, highr than w can gt from food (sorry for the typos, my e is not working well). The vitamin k yahoo group has collected studis on th safty of supplmental k2 in their Files section.

So, my family's ratio of what is best for us is diffrnt than most. Aiming for maybe 3000-5000 IU of vitamin A is tough from regular foods, I'v playd around with nutritiondata.com to look at th nutrint lvls in convntional foods (horribl splling, so sorry!).

I saw a lot of improvmnts with th kids whn w cut out glutn and dairy, I think th stresses they put on people who are intolerant do deplete nutrients quite a bit. W're just now starting digestive enzymes too, just for general digestion since even cutting out those foods, we've still got stuff going on that I can't fix. I hope they are great for you, and great for us as well!

re: A and K2, I have seen that when I consume a lot of vitA, I can tend to bruise and have sensitive teeth. But, in healthy people, A and D are stored long-trm and you shouldn't have to worry about short-term fluctuations. Some people do have issues short-term, but it's not usual and the problem isn't so much the A or D as the person's coping ability.

[Koalamom]

Do you guys eat liver? That has loads of Vit A. And has some Vit k2. I am having a hard time getting k2 foods as I am allergic to grass fed butter, so I eat a ton of greens for extra k1. Yes I know that some say we don't convert it well, but some trust that it converts enough. If your child can handle grass fed butter then that should be a good source of k2. But you did mention having an intolerance. Hopefully butter is fine or ghee.

Non animal sources of Vit A rich foods need converting too, so they are the best sources, but it is still important to get foods like yams, carrots, greens etc for Vit A.

[krankedyann]

Pastured lard has D3. Try using it in savory dishes as the fat or frying things in it.

[mbravebird]

Originally Posted by Rasa

I'm a little worried about FCLO at this point...I was taking a tsp a day of it for several months and had some issues with bruising and bleeding. I'm having some tests done but am avoiding FCLO for myself for now and my daughter and I seem so similar in the way we react to things I'm trying to approach this without the FCLO for a while.

I've been bumping info about the combined interactions of D/A/K2 and I'm pretty confused--it there an easy rule of thumb?

If we're supplementing Vitamin D (2000 IU caps for me, 2 a day usually unless I feel sick and 500IU drops for her, when I remember--eek!) should I be careful about getting a certain amount of A at the same time/day? Like with food? What about K2?

There is no easy rule of thumb, but it is important to keep in mind that each of those vitamins requires the others in order to be properly processed. Therefore, increasing your supplementation of any of them will increase your need for the other two. Since they're fat-soluble, they should be stored well, so you don't necessarily have to take them at the same time, but just be on the lookout for increasing your intake of A and K2 when you're supplementing with D.

Fish oil does make some folks bruise more easily, particularly if they have an underlying condition. Are you being checked for VWD? If so, make sure you're seeing someone who knows about all the false negatives with that test, and how they occur.

I am on the lookout for goose liver these days, as it is a major source of K2. My older son has a bleeding disorder, so we only can give him CLO on days he has his medicine (2 days a week ). We try to make up for it by having him swallow liver pills and doing D drops. We got his D levels up to 60 recently (yay!), but at the same time he started having breakthrough bleeds, even on his medicine, so I'm wondering if the higher D level has increased his need for K2, and we aren't keeping up. Tweaking, tweaking...