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post #21 of 253
thanks for the link to that awesome interview with michael fogler!

the hubster and i have unjobbed as long as we've known each other - 12 yrs now - although we never called it that. we've called it, at various times, 'throwing everything to the wall to see what sticks,' 'having multiple hustles,' and 'doing whatever we had to do so that we could hang out and work together all day.'

we're both artistic/creative people. between the two of us (and usually together) we have taught creative workshops and classes (dance, performance, poetry), DJed parties, temped, self-published books, made and sold handmade hair and body care products, worked at call centers, designed websites, written grants for nonprofit arts organizations, applied to arts contests and festivals.

there have been some SEVERELY lean years. like, lost our bkln apartment and lived with his mother lean. there have been some surprising successes. after a couple of years of hobby-level, weekly-grocery-money level success with the handmade hair and bodycare biz, it took off sharply in such a way that we looked up and it had become the bulk of what we each were doing. we were able to purchase a little house with a big yard in a fabulous neighborhood we love, but we were working 16 and 18 hour days sometimes to keep up with orders... it actually became overwhelming and extremely stressful and lost the fun and freedom we'd initially loved about it.

our first pregnancy forced the issue that we couldn't do this by ourselves anymore. we began hiring help, we moved the biz out of our home, and now we 'employ' enough other people that we are slowly moving back to our preferred unjobbing state. it's awesome.

i share my story for support and also as kind of a cautionary tale. . . so many of us start out fearing our initiative will fail; we don't have an infrastructure in place for its wild success.

blessing to all of us on this journey!!
post #22 of 253
I love this Tribe. I haven't worked since my dd was born 5 years ago, but am currently in the early stage of looking for small income earning opportunities that allow me to maintain family as a priority. We just bought a house and, although we can meet our monthly financial requirements on one income, any additional income would pay for the "extras" such as a small vacation now and then. I used to be a management consultant and earned a good salary, but never felt good about what I was doing. I'm now able to look at jobs that interest me and seem meaningful and be less concerned with the amount earned.
post #23 of 253

fascinating

truly fascinating...

I suppose unjobbing is what I was doing a few years ago, as a single mom, living in a rental for the "cost" of making it habitable by humans (I think that cost far more in both labor and materials than rent would have), private tutoring students that I met subbing occasionally at public school, and many from the homeschool group as well. Just spending our LIVES together living life its own self rather than chase a paycheck... it was the most beautiful time in our lives...

My current ministry began that way, doing what we love, but has become incredibly demanding, and the rules have changed for homeschoolers, too-- not sure how it will work out for us long term, but the kids here have a big hook in my heart

I'd say we're here to stay, but I wouldn't call it unjobbing anymore. Nope, now it's a job!
post #24 of 253
How does everyone else "unjob"?

A dear friend is always ttm about residual income and multiple income streams--- I ought to pay attention, but some of it seems scammy to me...
post #25 of 253
I love the idea of unjobbing, never knew there was a name for it! I have coached gymnastics to all ages and infant motor skills classes since college and have always loved it but hated the demands and have tos of work. Now that i have my baby, tho, i'm just doing a couple classes a week and love it! Unfortunately, DH works for my bro occasionally and it's not making it, money wise but he can't find anything else.
Does anyone else ever feel guilty bc you know you can make more, but just think being a mom is more important? For instance, i'm the one with the degree, experience, and potential to make more, but he's the one that likes to work! I just can't imagine not being home w/my LO.
Also, we can't buy a house bc we have no proof of income, though it would be a lot cheaper to have a mortgage than our apt rent!
post #26 of 253
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Originally Posted by oyinmama View Post
thanks for the link to that awesome interview with michael fogler!

the hubster and i have unjobbed as long as we've known each other - 12 yrs now - although we never called it that. we've called it, at various times, 'throwing everything to the wall to see what sticks,' 'having multiple hustles,' and 'doing whatever we had to do so that we could hang out and work together all day.'

we're both artistic/creative people. between the two of us (and usually together) we have taught creative workshops and classes (dance, performance, poetry), DJed parties, temped, self-published books, made and sold handmade hair and body care products, worked at call centers, designed websites, written grants for nonprofit arts organizations, applied to arts contests and festivals.

there have been some SEVERELY lean years. like, lost our bkln apartment and lived with his mother lean. there have been some surprising successes. after a couple of years of hobby-level, weekly-grocery-money level success with the handmade hair and bodycare biz, it took off sharply in such a way that we looked up and it had become the bulk of what we each were doing. we were able to purchase a little house with a big yard in a fabulous neighborhood we love, but we were working 16 and 18 hour days sometimes to keep up with orders... it actually became overwhelming and extremely stressful and lost the fun and freedom we'd initially loved about it.

our first pregnancy forced the issue that we couldn't do this by ourselves anymore. we began hiring help, we moved the biz out of our home, and now we 'employ' enough other people that we are slowly moving back to our preferred unjobbing state. it's awesome.

i share my story for support and also as kind of a cautionary tale. . . so many of us start out fearing our initiative will fail; we don't have an infrastructure in place for its wild success.

blessing to all of us on this journey!!

Thanks for the encouraging post, oyinmama! Thank you also for the wonderful products! I my funk butter!
post #27 of 253
I have always loved this idea. I'm looking at becoming a certified nutritional therapist and massage therapist. I would never work for a company doing this, I would try to be creative and start my own practice. I'm always open to the possibility of making money any way possible such as re-selling used goods, cleaning, etc.

I have so much anxiety when I'm working a high pressure job, I just can't keep healthy in that situation. So I hope to be able to do what I love, which is make people feel better.

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Well, I´m unjobbing but not very happy about it, I NEED a job.

I understand you and it´s great that you are looking for another way of making a living for you and your family. I never liked to be pressured on the job, I´m a massage therapist and have a dream of giving 3 or 4 therapies per morning, and the rest of the day for my son. I have a dream...!
paakbaak, I was just thinking that with your ability, you would probably make more on your own than working at a spa. But you have to be creative and find ways to get the word out about your services. I have a friend who makes a good living with massage and she doesn't even have a clinic. She takes her massage table to people's homes and does the therapy there. It works.
post #28 of 253
I have been reading and really enjoying this thread so far. I believe I may fit here. My husband is going to quit his job and I am going to support us on the road (living in an RV) for several years, (however long we feel like it). It's not that I won't have a job, but it's my Intuitive Business that I do for myself in every way. I do it by my rules and the schedule I feel like setting up. We want to live on the road to have tons of experiences as a family, while at the same time I support us very well. So to me, unjobbing is not about being jobless, it's about supporting yourself in a way that fills you up, not done by anyone else's rules, or schedule, or making money for other people while you make next to nothing. Do I have it right?
Don't get me wrong, i work very hard. But I'm so passionate about my work and love what I do, it doesn't feel like work. And making my own schedule to optimize my time with my family is definitely the way to go for us. To know that I can work a few hours anytime I want to but then be enjoying a new museum with my kids, or whatever adventures each State has to offer sounds about right! Can't wait to get started!
post #29 of 253
multiple income streams and passive income, absolutely good plans.

passive income is where you don't have to do a lot of work to make money. there is some work involved (until it grows big enough that you can hire a manager if you wanted, then it is fully passive, just with more overhead.

so, an example of passive income is what a friend of mine does. she owns an "apartment guide" franchise. she goes into an area where there isn't one, sets up the printer, the distribution sites, etc, and then gets the apartments to buy the advertising, and voila! income. sounds like a lot of work, right? but no! she hires an intern from the local university who is working in advertising/marketing. because the person ALSO gets college credit, she pays this person very little. So, this person does everything--all of the work M-F and she just manages this person (takes her, she says, about 5 hrs per week of management). Her income from this? $125k.

i'm in a similar situation. various practitioners rent time to use our space from us. our primary focus is actually just filling the time in the space. Fill the time in the space, and the income is passive. Overhead is covered, my fees for work are covered, and then there is the profit margin. We are nearing the black, but have only been in this business for 5 months. should be black by mid October; should be profitable by the end of the year (as it is looking now with new people coming on board).

it's passive because i'm not doing all of the yoga teaching, massaging, etc myself. the business itself supports us, and it becomes a passive income scheme that way.

insofar as diversifying, i believ ein a diverse economy. i teach yoga (regular classes) , private lessons, workshops (for everyone), and teacher training. i have to teach all of these myself, so this is "active" income. i also do thai massage, so that is also active income.

with our business, we plan on franchising eventually (within 3-5 years), and so that expands the income. we also want to start a free publication in our country (since one doesn't exist for NZ, but we will start with the planning just for our city), which would eventually create a second income stream like my friend's apartment guide.

my husband's active work will be screenwriting, but anything produced, he asks for a portion of the profits--so it creates a passive income there too.

anyway, just thoughts about it.
post #30 of 253
My dh and I are creative types too, with a 3 yo dd and 4 mo ds. We have a goal in life to live as freely as possible, which means trying to live within our means (which is hard to do in our part of NJ in the NYC area) and think of our small "starter" house more like our long term home. We have one used, small car and try to live small in general, though we like to surround ourselves with things of beauty that inspire us. This can mean the flowers in our back yard, or art we make, or just interesting things we find. Filling our lives with things of beauty and quality makes it feel like we are living large even if we aren't.

Right now, I work with him developing iPhone games. If this takes off, it could be a beautiful thing. If not, we'll be back at the drawing board, so to speak. But I have no doubt we will achieve the goal, because we have it set in our minds to do so! I read once that achieving your dreams is about setting your ship coordinates and always keeping the steering wheel pointed in that direction. You might have to make lots of small adjustments along the way, but if you aim for your goal, you will achieve it in some way!
post #31 of 253
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eg, my son loves hot air balloons right now. he's not even two, ok? but like, my MIL goes "hot air balloons! don't let him get too excited, he can't do that for a living!"

UHM, HE IS 2.

anyway, he can do it for a living, if he wants to. why not? goof balls.
I agree, its so crazy to see people discourage their children interest because "they can't make a good living from it" I see many parents so focused on their child being "successful" (well societies definition). How about we stop focusing on GPA's and more about letting our kids be kids and discover their own passions in life. .

I just quite my job that made good money and I was miserable working there...many people think I'm nuts but, I think its nuts to spend your life doing something not because you love it but, so you can get things.

I forget who said this but, "if you do something you love you will never work a day in your life. I'm going back to teaching because I never feel like I am working when I am doing that.

Good luck to everyone searching for their passions!

NettleTea- I love the Vygotstsky quote on your signature.
post #32 of 253
subbing... will post once thoughts are flowing :-)
post #33 of 253
subbing... i'm heading in this direction over the next year...
post #34 of 253
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Thanks for the encouraging post, oyinmama! Thank you also for the wonderful products! I my funk butter!
omgoodness, AWESOME!!

i am loving this post, and all the encouraging replies.
post #35 of 253
We're totally unjobbers

Multiple streams of Income - I operate 20-40 niche blogs and get money from at least 7 different ad networks, plus affiliate sales and leads. I also sell stock photography, sell articles and ghost-write. I also run social networking campaigns for a few businesses.

Residual Income- I write for revenue sharing websites and get anywhere from $500-$1200 every month (seasonal ups and downs) for work I've done over the past few years. To maintain that income, I work about 4 hours a month

My husband works in the movie business, so he's sometimes away on location, but he loves the business and sometimes gets residual income, too. he'd do it for free. He loves making movies. One day we plan to do our own documentary.

We'll be hitting the road for an extended RV trip soon and we're so grateful for unjobbing, that our income isn't dependent upon where we live.
post #36 of 253
I really like the idea of passive income streams. I am working on a few myself in order to be able to have optimized time while on the road with my family. In fact, we are working to make passive at least half of our income I would say.
post #37 of 253
OOOOh I like this thread!

My dh is a freelance entertainment Rigger-(as a rigger he also gets to do spotlight calls during shows) he loves his work-it fits into whatever schedule or amount of work he wants-and he gets to see a ton of concerts, and be right up close to everything. He doesn't have a boss, and controls his own proverbial destiny. It pays well-only drawback is that when the season is dead, it's dead. He is definitely following a dream on this one and we love it.
Me? I was a massage therapist (and did energy work) successfully for about 9 years until I just burned out-made good money going to people's homes with my table(only people I knew, or references from trusted people). I love helping people and working in a healing capacity but it's just like the spark went out on massage.
Arts and crafts have always been a big love of mine and I am really working on the idea of turning that into a business. I think it would work well in my area. I also have a deep, very active spiritual life and it seems people wind up coming to me for advice, etc, you know? I often wonder if I can work that into something. I feel led in that direction.
The timing of this thread for me is perfect-we are really 'decluttering' our lives as a family and downsizing bills and stuff that we don't need/want. I'm trying to teach the kids in our somewhat unschooling ways that they can create the education/lives they desire...this is really neat timing!
post #38 of 253
My people!

I'm currently reading "Career Success without a Real Job" and it's inspiring me more. I got my business cards last week and now I just have to find a venue for my workshops (been planning them for months...gonna offer some for free and have practiced facilitating), meet up with the potential caretaker for dd (he's willing to barter...wants the Joy of Cooking cookbook, gotta love it), and do the darn thing. I'm so excited about this avenue.

I'm also writing, so hopefully I'll get published soon. w00t! I'm having a blast, really.
post #39 of 253
This discusion seems remarkably similar to the RH thread:

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...cal+homemaking

Hmmm...
post #40 of 253
Similar, but I think the main difference is that unjobbers aren't necessarily interested in becoming producers of the items they use/need. Also, when unjobbing is discussed (at least in most of the places I've read about it), it's mostly men talking about it. I don't see near as many men talking about becoming radical homemakers.
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