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post #1 of 17
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I need to buy some cloth diapers for my newborn and I was wondering who uses cloth, and what type or brand you like (and why).

We use prefolds with a waterproof cover for my daughter, but I'm kind of tired of them. I'm leaning towards an AIO or pocket diaper with use of lots of liners (to avoid buying too many diapers... they're not cheap!!).

Has anyone tried GroVia? I'm kind of leaning towards Apple Cheeks, with the hemp or cotton liners, but these interest me...

This is where I'll be buying from (she lives in my city).
post #2 of 17
i used prefolds (with cover only when out and about) for the first couple months with all my kiddos. they grew really fast, so once they were ready for the next size cover i was diversified a little bit. with my EC-from-2 w.o. baby i used some cheap fitted dipes (the cheap ones are great for EC, fancy ones absorb too much IMO and you can't tell when they're peeing!) and we used either a waterproof cover or a wool soaker or pants over when going out. i did have a few pocket dipes that i used for out and about because she hated being wet and would have scream fests in the back of the car if she peed and i live where it's back roads and nowhere to pull over for miles so it was better for everyone if she didn't feel wet in those instances. but otherwise i avoided pockets for just that reason, i liked her to stay aware of feeling wet, and to not like it. i try to avoid things with built-in waterproof outer layers for at-home use, though they are handy for out and about to keep clothes and carseats and baby carriers dry!

once she was about 4 months i just switched to trainers full-time though. dipes seemed like more than we really needed in terms of absorbency. i just wanted something that would reliably hold one pee. mostly EC store waterproof trainers, though i had some non-waterproof stuff for home as well.

have you ever tried a prefold belt? i never did, but my SIL EC's and she used a prefold belt and it was pretty awesome - i love the flip-down front ability, and you could trifold the prefold and do it sumo-style she paired it with crotchless pants in the winter time or babylegs. i thought to myself that if i ever had another, i'd probably give the prefold belt a try.
post #3 of 17
all my dipes are hand-me-downs or holdovers from my older child. here is what I have:
-fuzzibunz. these are great, sturdy, can sort of be pulled up and down, have a pretty "stay dry" feeling (though it gets sort of HUMID in there). You have to wash the whole thing though if they wet, so its not like you could get a lot of inserts and only a few dipes. These are all loaner/hand-me-downs. they are expensive but I use them a lot for out-and-about.
-motherease sandys (fitteds). I love these coverless indoors, for nighttime. I plan to use them as sort of out-and-about trainers w/ wool pants soon. They are very sturdy. Take a long time to dry.
-prefolds: you know the deal with these. my kids were both mobile young and big, and coverless prefolds didn't really work well for them after a few months old.
post #4 of 17
I have the GroBaby dipes, which is what the GroVia used to be called. I guess I don't have anything to contribute b/c I haven't tried them yet b/c DS is too little still. I think they seem like a great idea b/c you can also get disposable inserts if you want to (travelling, e.g.).

I also use prefolds with Bummis covers for the newborn stage and I honestly love those. I will let you know how I like the GroBabys in a couple of months! And, they made some great changes to the GroVia, so those will be even better!
post #5 of 17
Where does one get a prefold belt?
post #6 of 17
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Originally Posted by jenrett View Post
I have the GroBaby dipes, which is what the GroVia used to be called. I guess I don't have anything to contribute b/c I haven't tried them yet b/c DS is too little still. I think they seem like a great idea b/c you can also get disposable inserts if you want to (travelling, e.g.).
Are they not for babies starting at 7 or 8 lbs? These were one on the few I was debating on...

FuzzyBunz are out, if I can't use liners without having to wash the whole diaper...

We have lots of bummis prefolds. I just need smaller covers, which I plan on buying anyway.

Anyone use Apple Cheeks?

What about Flip?

Thanks, all!
post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by pixiepunk View Post
once she was about 4 months i just switched to trainers full-time though. dipes seemed like more than we really needed in terms of absorbency. i just wanted something that would reliably hold one pee. mostly EC store waterproof trainers, though i had some non-waterproof stuff for home as well.

have you ever tried a prefold belt?
What type of trainers? Can you tell me more?

Prefold belts just seem strange to me. I'm not sure if I like the idea... I've never tried them though.
post #8 of 17
My opinion:

If you're planning to do EC, then "big" cloth dipes, like AIO's and pockets to stuff and all that, are a waste. Those are designed to catch MULTIPLE pees, and to hold it in without any seeping. With EC, diapers are just there as backup for if you miss ONE pee. And you WANT to know right away that your baby has peed, so that you can change them right away (so they don't get accustomed to being wet), and so that you can relate any signals they might have just made to their need to eliminate.

After having done EC with my daughter since about 3 weeks old until 'graduation', and having tried several things, this is what I felt worked the best.

When very little -- prefolds with a prefold belt. You can get them at continuum-family.com. In fact, you'll see the picture at that link is my daughter modelling. So easy, so fast, so simple. And cheap!! We continued to use this system for night-time up until she was over year old... when it finally got too small for her.

If we were going out and needed "protection", a prefold with a cover.

I just find that most fitted diapers don't fit newborns very well, and they outgrow them SO FAST anyway.

Once she was out of the newborn phase though, we went straight to cloth trainers. Again, I'll recommend continuum-family.com but there are also lots of options at theecstore.com.

The general advantage of trainers over diapers is that they're trim and underwear-like, they will catch that one missed pee but without all the unneeded extra bulk of a regular diaper. Also, when getting a babe ready for a quick pottytunity, I always found yanking the trainers down to their ankles much easier than fiddling with opening a diaper -- generally you lie them down to remove a diaper, but the trainers can easily be pulled down in-arms. Same with putting them back on after -- pull it up vs. lie them down, fold, snap, secure, phew.

We used many different types of trainers which all had pros and cons. For instance:

Bright Bots. Very affordable (especially when bought used), but made in China. Beautiful colours. Trim and cute. Plastic internal liner got noisy and broken up as they got old.

Imse Vimse. Organic. Very leakproof. But very bulky. A favourite option of ours for overnights when she outgrew the prefold belt.

EcoNix. Organic. Good balance of bulk vs leakproof. Early models had some construction/wearing out issues, but were replaced for me free of charge. Expensive, but a favourite, worth it in the long run.

Continuum-family now has their own line of training pants. I honestly can't attest to their quality, since I haven't used them, DD was well into undies-only before they came out. But I love everything Deirdre does so I'm sure they're wonderful!

There's also an option of snap training pants, which I never had the chance to try. They offer the choice of either pulling up and down, or undoing like a diaper. This can come in handy when there's a poo... That's the only real DISadvantage to trainers. Of course, when ECing, missed poos are pretty rare. I can count on one hand the number of times that we had poo messes in trainers.

Once DD was 6mo, we started using undies once in awhile. As we grew more confident, that increased. By 1 year, she was in undies MOST of the time, I'd say. By 18mo, full-time. Except for night-time of course, or if we were going on long trips, then we'd still use trainers for backup.

But yeah. After having tried various options, I always recommend trainers, trainers, trainers for ECing. You might want a few diapers on hand for days when you're just not going to even try to catch anything (or if you're only doing EC part-time, for instance). But I wouldn't call those "diapers for EC". Those are "diapers for when NOT doing EC".
post #9 of 17
Oh I also wanted to say... our favourite tiny undies are - once again - from continuum-family.com. My daughter was one of the original testers when they were being developed, so I have an understandable bias. But they really are wonderful. So much better quality than store-bought, better fabric, better construction, and better fit.

Sure they're more expensive, but consider this. My daughter started wearing them at age 6mo. She's now 3.5, and I've just last week finally put them away because they were too small, we really hadn't worn them much lately. So they fit (loose at first and snug later, but still 'fit') for close to TWO YEARS. And what's more, they're still in nearly-new condition two years later, whereas our store-bought undies are getting ragged and full of holes and elastic stretched out after only several months.
post #10 of 17
Thread Starter 
Wow! That's some amazing information!!

I love the look of the apple cheeks, but that's the exact reason why I'm leary to use them... the "diaper" factor. Although I would like a few pairs for when we go out.

We used bummis prefolds with the super whisper wrap for my daughter, but had I known about the belt back then, I might have tried that instead. I really like the idea of no leaks to the floor, but then again, I started older with her (7 months) and we did a lot of part time once she started crawling. Now we use the gerber training undies (waffle cotton underwear), which I will use with my son when he gets older (probably not until about a year, but I'm hoping they fit him sooner than later).

Which trainers (specifically) did you use, tankgirl? I love my gerbers, but I'm open to trying something new. They're not thick enough to catch anything more than a dribble.

Another problem is that I live in Canada and I find it sometimes difficult to find online stores that will ship here without high shipping or duty fees. But it looks like the contiuum site might offer delivery at a lower price! HOORAY! I'm going to check it out..

I'm also going to order some prefold belts... How many do I need? Is there anything else that I might need from that site?

My daughter is 20 months old, still in diapers (though nudie bum, or gerber'ed around the house), and all I used on her was the prefolds with timing. And just recently she's been starting to pee on cue (if she has to pee) and/or take herself (usually only for poops) but ONLY when nudie bum. And she still doesn't signal, or tell me when she's wet.

I want to do things differently with this one. And OH MY, let me just say... that I LOVE EC'ING NEWBORNS!! Man, that's fun. I've had more catches with him already than I have with her all month.
post #11 of 17
Thread Starter 
Oh, and regarding the prefold belts... There are 4 to choose from. Wool, fleece, bamboo or hemp.

Is there really a big difference with these, or is it just preference? I have NO idea which to order! And how many...
post #12 of 17
sgmom, continuum-family IS Canadian!! If you're seeing prices in USD, just check near the top right-hand corner of the page to choose Cdn currency. She's located in BC.

We had 2 prefold belts in each size. I don't think you need any more than that -- use one when the other needs washing, which isn't often. But you could get more if you want more colour/fabric options.

When we got ours, fleece was the only choice. I believe the hemp and bamboo ones are trimmer. Also they're eco-friendly fabrics. I wish I had another baby so I could try them.

As for which trainers we specifically used, those are the ones I described in my post above.

Here she is showing off some Bright Bots:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lovecat...7594420812041/

I forget the name of these ones, same maker as EcoNix, these are the ones that started to fall apart at the stitching but they replaced them for me, they were among my favourites:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lovecat...7594420812041/

Those ones were a little big on her at the time, here's the same make but a better fit on her:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lovecat...7594420812041/

And here's how the Tiny Undies fit her when she was about 7mo:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lovecat...7594420812041/

Blue Bright Bots:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lovecat...7594420812041/

Anyway, if you look through my photo set there you'll see lots more pics of cute trainer bums -- usually the Nix and the Bright Bots.

As for anything else you might want from that store... I'd suggest Babylegs (I think she carries Huggalugs, same thing different company), you can see my daughter is wearing them in MOST of those pictures. And just browse the site, she's got a TON of great stuff. And she's super nice too, if you have any questions, just ask her directly.
post #13 of 17
Thread Starter 
Those pictures are so cute!!

I've got a local retailer for babylegs here, so I passed on those (they are awesome though... we used them ALL the time with my daughter).

I ordered 2 small (1 bamboo, 1 hemp), and I decided to only get 1 of the large (in bamboo). By the time he's ready for the large, he'll likely be wearing my daughters hand me down gerbers (I hope, anyway).

Thanks, Tankgirl for your awesome help!
post #14 of 17
tankgirl, thats some cute babyness!

my little girl (13mo) has too many misses for me to want to forgo diapers all together. Well also, we have wall-to-wall carpeting and we're out and about a lot. And a shared coin laundry facility (i/e its not a snap for me to wash pee-soaked clothes, car-seat-covers, etc). And I have too many free diapers available to me to want to spend the money I'd need to to replace my whole diaper stash with trainers, enough to have 1-4 misses per day and do laundry every 5 days or so.

SO... I am thinking about a small $$ outlay to get some pull-uppable covers (people have suggested simply cloth) and repurposing/making some inserts I can just lay in there- so that when they are wet, I can just swap out a liner, rather than a whole diaper, or a whole outfit. When my girl pees a gerber trainer is, well, pretty useless. I'd have to fool around to see what amount of stuffing would contain a full pee. Because while we have miss-free days now and again, and while she lately seems to be STARTING to sign potty and say pee pee (but so far not in advance ) I really don't want to spend too much time worrying about her need to potty, ykim?

But good luck to you! It would be awesome to not need diapers at 6m... I'm currently hopeful that by 18m we'll be mostly no-miss, but also trying not to be too attached to that idea.
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by sgmom View Post
Are they not for babies starting at 7 or 8 lbs? These were one on the few I was debating on...
Well, we have a stash of newborn size prefolds and covers and some smaller fitteds as well, so we don't have a need for the Gro Baby yet. I plan to use them mostly for longer trips away from home when going dipe free is not possible. They just seem so big, but I honestly haven't tried them on DS yet.

Good info about training pants from Tankgirl. I am looking into those, now. I don't feel quite ready to use them yet, so I think for this summer we'll start with a prefold belt and try to go dipe free IF it ever gets warm here!!!
post #16 of 17
jumping back in late here, but glad tankgirl had so much helpful info to share!

i mostly used the EC Store waterproof trainers for out and about, and bright bots or similar when home starting around 4 months. they held a big pee without leaking. the ec store ones would wick at the FOE if i couldn't change right away, but that was rare.

have fun shopping!!
post #17 of 17
Thread Starter 
Oh dear. I may have just spent money on stuff I don't need.

I just got home from my friends place (the WAHM from the link I posted in my original post). I bought 2 Flip covers, and 1 apple cheeks cover. I thought they were an AIO (or a pocket diaper), but they're just a waterproof cover with a thin fleece lining. And they're CUTE!

I also bought a swim diaper (like a super soft shell), and 12 hemp liners to replace the crap ones I already have. SO SOFT!

So now I've got a lot of liners and prefolds, and 4 diaper covers (for use when going out). I've also got 3 prefold belts on the way here (ordered yesterday... 2 small, 1 large).

And speaking of prefolds, I thought it was just my imagination, but in comparing them to the prefolds that she uses (same brand as mine - bummis), it turns out that mine are all quite hard!

Does anyone have any good stripping techniques to make them soft again?

FYI: I use country save detergent, and dry them in the dryer (no fabric softener, of course).
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