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i finally stood up to her, but now what???

post #1 of 13
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i have a very difficult relationship with my mother. she has a pretty significant drinking problem. she is also a narcissist. i have spent most of my adult life trying to figure out how to cope with her and the parallel universe in which she seems to live 90% of the time — the one where everyone in the world (including her children) persecute her.

that all said, she has moments where she is wonderful (on good days, when she's sober). i no longer look to her for any guidance or emotional support, knowing she's incapable of offering them to me. i just take the happy moments when i can. she loves my daughter, who my brothers call "mom prozac" because she seems to inspire something in my mom that we haven't ever seen — she seems to want to be a healthier person, though she can't get out of her own way. but that desire is a positive step. and my daughter really loves my mom.

i work outside the home a few hours a week. b/c of dp's schedule, my mom frequently watches dd at her house which is a huge help — her schedule is flexible, and dd loves being there so i can (usually) rest assured she's happy and ok. today i got to my mom's at 4 to drop off dd. as soon as i saw her i knew she'd been drinking — you could smell the vodka. this isn't uncommon, but she usually does most her drinking at night when she's alone, never when she is or will be alone with the baby. my younger brother was at the house (he's home for an extended visit after being away for 6 months) and he said she'd had a drink. every fiber of my being said not to leave my daughter there. my mom is a diabetic, and has been told not to drink. even if she's just tipsy, i worry that she may crash or something. it's one thing for her to put herself at risk, but quite another for her to put my baby at risk — of course she doesn't see it like that. no matter what the doctors have said, the specialists, her family, she thinks that it's "ok" for her to drink, she thinks it's safe.

so i asked her if she'd been drinking. and she said yes. she continued on to say she didn't see what the problem was, b/c i drink sometimes (the drinking to which she refers is the occasional beer or glass of wine with dinner). i simply stated that i am not a diabetic, drinking straight vodka before 3 in the afternoon when i have to babysit my granddaughter. i stayed calm, i picked up my daughter, told her to "say bye bye to grandma, say we'll see you tomorrow," and i went to leave. my mom continued to yell about how i'm not being fair, and i'm a hypocrite.... i calmly told her i refused to fight in front of the baby, and i left.

my brother got the worst of it. after i left she told him, among other things, that she knows he only came home to replace her... that he told me to take the baby away, that she wasn't fit... that he loves me more than her... that i took her granddaughter away because she is a ______ (she used a repulsive racial slur, which is highly inappropriate at all times but a particularly odd choice considering we are caucasian). clearly she's not right in the head.... but i feel awful, b/c now my brother, who did nothing, and who has gotten so little time with his niece, is thinking he wants to leave sooner rather than later, even though he was supposed to stick around for a month or two, because she's in paranoid victim mode. i can't say i blame him.

i realize that reading this you're probably wondering why i have any relationship with this woman at all, why i allow her around my child. when she behaves like this, i wonder the same thing. but it's hard to establish boundaries with her. damn near impossible. i've tried... i've tried limited contact, i've tried no contact. it just makes it worse. she doesn't hear things the way you say them. and b/c she's not operating on the same plane of reality as everyone else, the situation always just gets so twisted up and inside out that even i can't tell which way is up. but she's my mom, and she's sick. i'm resigned to just sort of handle it, as long as it doesn't affect my baby. and i'm proud of myself that i held that line tonight, that i didn't just convince myself it was ok so that i wouldn't have to upset her. she should be upset. she really f***ed up. but now i just don't know what to do....

i feel like i should call her tomorrow and ask her if she wants to talk about it. she always just pretends nothing happened after something like this... she freaks out, there's this huge emotional fallout, and then a couple days later she just acts as though it never was. and i can't do that. i feel like she needs to understand that she can be a drunk if that's what she wants to do, but she can't be a drunk and babysit my daughter. she deserves a chance to apologize, right? she's never drank before babysitting before....

i feel like a huge part of the problem is that no one in my family stands up to her. no one says "you're out of line." everyone just postures around her so as not to rock the boat. and her behavior has stolen far too many moments from me, and i know from my brothers, too. every holiday, every birthday, even my daughter's birth. i'm just fed up. it is always everyone else's fault, she's always the blameless victim. i've read books, i've gone to therapy, i feel like i've tried everything.... but tonight i feel like i really took a step and was a mother, not a co-dependent daughter. but now what??? i feel like i stepped in to lead some waltz and i don't know the steps.
post #2 of 13
Congratulations! That's a huge step you took, and a really empowering one at that. I know it feels weird because you just tore the age-old family dynamic to pieces. Everyone's in a tizzy and that's what's supposed to happen. You will never ever be able to control her behavior but you can control your own.

Personally, I'd never let her watch your child alone again. But I would continue to be nice or congenial or however your relationship goes. Call if you want, but don't expect her to react in a healthy way. Tell her you love her (or whatever you feel) but that you aren't going to allow her to watch your child while she's drinking, period. She'll throw the hypocrite thing in your face. Don't take the bait. Just repeat that you love her, love her relationship with your daughter, etc., but she cannot babysit while drinking.

Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Kindly, calmly, warmly, but firmly.
post #3 of 13
I have no experience in this kind of situation, but I couldn't read & not post.
I'm glad you were able to remain calm & get your baby out of there - also, great job on not fighting in front of your daughter! That would've just made things worse. If it were me, I'd try to talk to your Mom soon. Give her a chance to explain/apologize. Don't let her just ignore this one. Maybe this is the slap in the face she needs to wake up & get herself better! Not getting to spend time w/her granddaughter might make her see that she's creating problems.

I also wouldn't leave my baby with her alone until things are resolved.

As to your brother (poor guy) - can he stay at your home? Then he'd get to spend some time with his niece. Maybe he could watch her when your Mom usually does while this situation clears.

And, I get why you're still in a relationship with her - like you said, she's your Mom.
post #4 of 13
OMG, we have the same mother Ok, not exactly. My mother didn't change when she had grandkids.

For my entire life I lived within 3 miles of my mother and the rest of my family. I totally get what it's like to be wrapped up in the drama. Even when you try to ignore it and have your own life, it just sucks you back in. I think it's wonderful that you trust your mom enough to allow her to watch your daughter. I'm sure alot of people will tell you to never ever allow it. I do not/would not allow my mother to watch my children alone. Not because she drinks a ton during the day, but the toll of a life long drinking problem has made it so she's lost a ton of brain cells. I don't trust her to make a good decision or any decision in an emergency. But if you think your mom is capable, then I get why you would allow it. If it were me, I would use your statement, "she can be a drunk if that's what she wants to do, but she can't be a drunk and babysit my daughter." Can you just say that to her? In a kind but blunt way? You need to be blunt so she can't maneuver around the question and put it back on you. I would just throw that statement out there and ask her to make the choice. Give her one more chance if you want to. Do you think she felt like she could drink because there was another adult in the house so it was safer?

I really feel for you. I finally moved out of state three years ago and it has been amazing. I highly recommend it jk.....but oh the drama, I do not miss it!
post #5 of 13
You did great! It may not feel like it yet, but if you continue to hold your position you will notice change, I promise. If not in her, then in how you are affected by her behaviour. I have recently gone through a similar situation with my sister and establishing boundaries and sticking to them has been the most difficult and the most important thing I've done both for myself and for her. Even if no other member of your family is willing to acknowledge the problem with your mother, you know that you're right. The thing about family disfunction is that every member plays a role and is invested in maintaining the status quo. But you still have to do what is right for yourself and your family. Trust your own understanding of the situation and don't be swayed by other people's version of reality.
post #6 of 13
That was my first thought too: don't let your mom babysit ever again. I've revoked my mother's babysitting privileges for her much lesser offenses (driving with her eye glued to the TomTom, insisting a newborn doesn't need to be covered up during a day at the beach if it's cloudy, leaving the cellar door open with toddler four feet away, wearing newborn the wrong way in the baby carrier, etc.). Thankfully, my mother doesn't drink, but if I had been in our situation I would have been out-of-my-mind livid.
congratulations on your new-found strength!
post #7 of 13
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but tonight i feel like i really took a step and was a mother, not a co-dependent daughter. but now what??? i feel like i stepped in to lead some waltz and i don't know the steps.
You did. It's a huge step. You are a strong woman who took the necessary steps to protect her kid. Good for you. What you just did is really hard.

I have no idea what you should do. I can't tell you what to do. I can tell you what I did, though.

Your mother could be my mother. (Alcoholic? Check. Diabetic? Check. Drunk while babysitting? Check.)

My kids are 7.5 and 5. When DS1 was born, my husband insisted that my mother could never be alone with him because of her drinking. We agreed and that was the rule, up to the point that my dad died. (Heart attack.) She really, really loved DS1, and seemed much better with him, so after some discussion, we let her watch DS1 alone. After a few tries, I came home to find that she was high on Darvocet that she stole from my medicine cabinet. DS1 was very freaked out. I still don't know what happened, but he was afraid of her for weeks. She complained, but my response was that you only get one chance to screw up like that.

After that, there was no more watching DS1 (or DS2 after he was born.) I made sure that she saw the children once a week, but it was always a group visit with me supervising. If she was really high or drunk, we rescheduled the visit for a later time. That worked, but was a huge PITA for me.

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i realize that reading this you're probably wondering why i have any relationship with this woman at all, why i allow her around my child.
I eventually cut off contact with my mother and the kids because her drinking and using got much, much, MUCH worse, but if she'd stayed at a manageable level, I would have let her keep contact with the kids. I loved my mom. My kids loved my mom. I wanted to have a relationship with her, if it was at all possible. One day in the middle of some drama, I looked at her and I had this blinding, overwhelming thought/feeling: "My Beautiful Mother." Despite everything, that's who she was -- My Beautiful Mother. I loved her as much as I loved anyone in my life. It wasn't possible for me to just abandon her without trying everything I could think of to try. I only cut off contact with my mother and my kids when she became dangerous to be around.
post #8 of 13
"No" is a complete sentence. I used to think that there was some magic series of words that would get the addict in my life to finally understand - I tried and tried and tried and it didn't matter. You cannot talk an addict well or into reality and you are only driving yourself crazy and burning your energy that you need to take care of yourself. Arguing with an active alcoholic is like arguing with an insane person - and it is insane for you to keep trying. You do what you need to do to feel okay (not let dd be there, etc.) but spending more time trying to fix her or make her understand is totally wasted. By continuing to engage her in this, you are actively helping her delusions to continue (by playing the role of the "bad guy" she can argue against.)
post #9 of 13
I stood up to my mother every time and it never helped. She thrives on conflict. I suffer; she pretends that nothing happened. Now we live on different continents and she still manages to get under my skin. I actually threw her out of my house although we haven't seen each other for years. She made a scandal when my baby was 2 weeks old and I was overcoming PPD. She was drinking all night long yelping that the only reason she visited me was to see me in a mental home, that she was a wonderful mother, and my husband should leave me, etc. After all the problems we went through getting visa for her because she wanted to come...My husband was sending her money for years as she stopped working as soon as I married. He had to miss a day of work because of her. I don't think I will ever see her again.
post #10 of 13
Thread Starter 
thanks everyone i appreciate the commiseration and advice — it's validating, which is so nice when dealing with these mommy issues, no?

i called her the following morning and once again stated my position. she was upset — very much wanted to make it into a "why does everyone hate me" self pity party — but i just kept repeating myself calmly. i do not think that this one happening will in any way change her behavior, but it has certainly changed mine. i feel so empowered... i just hope that the next time something like this comes up (which it most certainly will) i can continue to hold my own.
post #11 of 13
I couldn't read this and not post - I come from an alcoholic family and EVERYTHING you've described about how you and your family react to your mom's drinking is classic behaviour for those close to an alcoholic. I know how painful it is.

You sound like a great mom and daughter, and very self aware. Al-anon, the group for families of alcoholics, are a huge help if you ever want to check them out.
post #12 of 13

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As to your brother (poor guy) - can he stay at your home? Then he'd get to spend some time with his niece. Maybe he could watch her when your Mom usually does while this situation clears.

And, I get why you're still in a relationship with her - like you said, she's your Mom.
post #13 of 13
Dance your own dance! It will feel weird and difficult at first, but trust your instincts.
It's hard to distance ourselves from a difficult seminal relationship in order to live a healthy life. We don't have a choice with regard to who our mothers and fathers are, but we always have choices about how we conduct our relationships with them as adults and parents of our own children!
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