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post #21 of 30
I'm in a similar position as the OP. I am feeding a family of five adult sized people and three littles. It's HARD. We have similar convictions about local, free range, humanely treated animal protein sources but with the added difficulty of kosher slaughter. Yikes!

We are mostly vegetarian. There's just no other choice for us. We only eat meat on the Sabbath and even then it's rare than we eat beef. We occasionally eat fish during the week.
post #22 of 30
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Originally Posted by sunflower.mama View Post
Just curious - for those of you who suggest gardening, do you live in a warm climate or produce enough to store for the winter? We live in the northeast and gardening is a 3-4 month thing, not a year round thing. I can't imagine producing enough to get us produce year round. The same holds true for farmer's markets, which are open July - Oct.
Well, it depends on how far you take it. You can just have it help during the warm months. Or you can grow enough to preserve the bounty (canning, freezing, drying, pickling, etc.).

I live in Northwest MA and I'm only experimenting with gardening at this point (not because I'm not interested but I have a seriously shady yard and my past attempts have failed; this year I seem to have maybe hit on a small location that is working though).

But around here, winter farmer's markets started gaining steam as of last winter. They had one around November, before Thanksgiving - and it was so well-attended that they planned two more over the winter (both also well-attended). Some people might think "what do you grow in winter in MA?" - a winter market would involve root cellared items harvested in the fall. They keep really well. I had onions last me until May. Garlic until April. Beets lasted a while (not as long as onions though), etc.

Our CSA also has worked to lengthen the season. They offer a main season share and a full season share - the latter of which lasted until February of this year. I think next winter it will last until March. We ate a lot of potatoes (sweet and regular) and squashes and carrots and the other things I mentioned.

I believe meat was also offered during the winter but I'm not sure of the details. Our dairy farm has a couple of large freezers of meat; I think over the winter they didn't restock much but everyone just kept whittling away at the cuts (the most expensive bits are always the last to get sold). Chickens are a summer and fall meat if you're doing pastured. A farm with layer hens did a cull in December, that was the last of the chicken for the year. Some pigs were slaughtered in February or so too.

Anyway, sorry for the novel (I tend to do that) but the point is just that even in the northeast, food is available for most of the year (March and April being the only months I really just shopped at the grocery store).
post #23 of 30
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Originally Posted by laohaire View Post
Well, it depends on how far you take it. You can just have it help during the warm months. Or you can grow enough to preserve the bounty (canning, freezing, drying, pickling, etc.).

I live in Northwest MA and I'm only experimenting with gardening at this point (not because I'm not interested but I have a seriously shady yard and my past attempts have failed; this year I seem to have maybe hit on a small location that is working though).

But around here, winter farmer's markets started gaining steam as of last winter. They had one around November, before Thanksgiving - and it was so well-attended that they planned two more over the winter (both also well-attended). Some people might think "what do you grow in winter in MA?" - a winter market would involve root cellared items harvested in the fall. They keep really well. I had onions last me until May. Garlic until April. Beets lasted a while (not as long as onions though), etc.

Our CSA also has worked to lengthen the season. They offer a main season share and a full season share - the latter of which lasted until February of this year. I think next winter it will last until March. We ate a lot of potatoes (sweet and regular) and squashes and carrots and the other things I mentioned.

I believe meat was also offered during the winter but I'm not sure of the details. Our dairy farm has a couple of large freezers of meat; I think over the winter they didn't restock much but everyone just kept whittling away at the cuts (the most expensive bits are always the last to get sold). Chickens are a summer and fall meat if you're doing pastured. A farm with layer hens did a cull in December, that was the last of the chicken for the year. Some pigs were slaughtered in February or so too.

Anyway, sorry for the novel (I tend to do that) but the point is just that even in the northeast, food is available for most of the year (March and April being the only months I really just shopped at the grocery store).
I was just about to respond to Sunflower Mama but you said much of what I was going to say. I would just add though that I live in Maine and due to the growth of the eat local movement we now have winter farmers markets/CSA's. Last winter we had tons of storage items like potatoes, cabbage, leeks, etc. Our storage stuff lasted straight into April so there really was not that great of a gap between the fresh local stuff. Also using the u pick places of you preserve your stuff you will have a lot to last the winter. I know plenty of folks who preserve and create a storehouse of goodies to get through the winter.
post #24 of 30
I also vote for the gardening angle. It's hits both the ethics and budgets aspects of food. Not only that but it tastes better.

If space is an issue-there's all sorts of options you can try. There's containers, you can try some plants inside, just like other houseplants, and there's even topsy turveys. Just work within what you have. If you only have 5ft of balcony on a top floor apartment, well, maybe all you get is a tomato and a pepper plant or something. It's important to remember that every tomato you eat from your own plant is one less purchased from the store. Also, you can look into community gardens. Some require that you rent space, some require that you trade space for work, some that you trade space for a donation of some of your harvest to a food bank.

If time is an issue-squeeze as much as you can into the time you have. Most everything can be frozen or canned in some way. Grow as much as you can, and freeze everything that you can't eat right away. Also, some plants do well in cool weather, like broccoli and cabbage. Last year, I was pulling the last of my cabbage heads in December, and I am in the midwest, so it had snowed on them a couple of times. And when time do put all the work in is an issue, consider sharing it. My mom and I share our gardens. This year she has cukes, melons, onions and peas, and I have green beans, lettuce, zukes and jalapenos. We both have green peppers and toms and then we combine our harvests to make salsa and canned tomatos that we split, and we share the cukes, zukes, peas, beans, melons and lettuce. And we share the work of weeding among both gardens. Weeding goes a lot faster when there are two of you doing it, even with two gardens.

And, a seperate tip-coupons and strategic shopping. It's very true that there are rarely coupons for fresh and organic. But there's a lot of other stuff, like toiletries that you can save big on, and use that savings for the more expensive food. And, even for stuff that doesn't have coupons, when there's a great sale, stock up and freeze. The key with strategic shopping is to buy when the stuff is at it's cheapest, and preserve it, so that when you need it, you already have it, rather than buying only what you need when you need it. It really is cheaper that way, I have been doing it for a few months and cut my monthly grocery budget by like $200 (I do include toiletries, pet supplies and baby diapers in that cost). As an example, using extra bucks and coupons, I got 4 boxes of tampons and a razor for my dd last night, for free. And tomorrow, I will be getting about 5 packages of baby wipes for free, because Walmart has them clearanced for $1.97 and a coupon came out last week for $2 off on package of wipes, I have 5 of those.


Just start small with whatever you do and work slowly on making little improvements here and there-start your garden with just a few plants, then expand after a few years. Learn to coupon with just one or two key stores or items and work your way from there.
post #25 of 30
I've been trying to green my groceries as well. We are trying to feed a family of three and a half (pregnant mama!) on about 200 a month. We do a lot of shopping at Aldi's, which doesn't give you a lot of organic options at all, but it does stretch the budget. We do have a costco membership, so we've decided to try to do once a month shopping there with a trader joe's trip thrown in at the same time (both a long distant drive). We're also hoping to get to some u pick farms this summer. We haven't yet because a lot of things have come up, but we are looking forward to it and then doing some freezing. My sister has a co worker that has grapes he's going to let us have too, and mulberries. If I could ever figure out how to crack them, my parents have black walnuts in their backyard. So these things will help as well.
post #26 of 30
We prioritize.

Meat and milk are critical to me. And quality meat and milk are expensive, so honestly we eat a LOT less of these than other families. I buy small amount of meat and about a gallon of milk a week for 5 people. Our meat comes from a local family that we know and trust, same with the milk.

I do the CSA share in the summer, we u-pick a lot and freeze (I am not much of a canner yet), and we have a big garden where I grow a LOT of greens, onions, eggplant, potatoes, tomatoes, beans, melons, cukes, and herbs. The gardening helps, but it does not feed us. But it does add a little more to the table that is local, fresh and organic without breaking the bank. We are fortunate to have started with good soil and sun.

The rest? I do my best, but it is not perfect. I buy rice and beans in 25 pound sacks, same with wheat free flour. And then I simply go to the local grocery store and get the rest. It's the best I can do right now with what I have available to me.
post #27 of 30
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Originally Posted by sunflower.mama View Post
Just curious - for those of you who suggest gardening, do you live in a warm climate or produce enough to store for the winter? We live in the northeast and gardening is a 3-4 month thing, not a year round thing. I can't imagine producing enough to get us produce year round. The same holds true for farmer's markets, which are open July - Oct.
Another MA mom here. I garden but I don't grow the typical things like tomatoes. I try to grow what will last through the colder months- winter squashes, turnips, beets, parsnips, carrots, garlic, onion, potatoes, etc and things that I can't afford at the outrageous store prices- tomatillos, lettuces, ground cherries, strawberries, raspberries, etc.

When I first started I had trouble spending money on non-gm, organic seeds, etc. But now I realize that I am getting my money's worth! $40 land rental fee, about $20-40 on seeds/plants annually and I would easily pay over $900 in the grocery store for what I produce. I save seeds, transplant annuals (strawberries, raspberries) to keep them healthy and producing. Plus there is something very satisfying about eating what you grow.
post #28 of 30
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Originally Posted by sunflower.mama View Post
Just curious - for those of you who suggest gardening, do you live in a warm climate or produce enough to store for the winter? We live in the northeast and gardening is a 3-4 month thing, not a year round thing. I can't imagine producing enough to get us produce year round. The same holds true for farmer's markets, which are open July - Oct.
I live in Idaho so growing season is 3-4 months. I grow alot, trade with friends, pick at u-pick farms and preserve it all. It doesn't last us all winter usually. We do still have some berries and shredded zucchini now, but that's it until July when my garden starts producing. But I hate grocery produce in the winter, so we stick with frozen or canned and just wait until summer when we can have fresh.
post #29 of 30
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Originally Posted by Liquesce View Post
Just so you know, in terms of animal treatment what halal is supposed to mean and what it means in practice fairly often does not match up. As with any food it's good practice to know your sources.
Funny you say, I was told the exact same thing. I had a few people point us in the direction of what should be done and from places with a rep of doing just that.
post #30 of 30
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OP here. Thanks, everyone, for your thoughtful responses. I have really been thinking about this (brooding upon?) for several days. I don't want to get lost in the whirlwind of despair when I think about multinational corporations and such, but it is just so easy to do.

I appreciate the links, and I loved the idea of winter CSAs -- I am going to ask around about those.

Also, when I was running into the library the other day, the librarian stopped me and we were chatting for a second & she introduced me to a group of people who happened to be meeting there that morning -- they are a local "Transitions USA" group starting up in my county, working to bring sustainability to our area (not easy to do in a northern mining/lumber area). They asked me if I wanted to join them, and I am. Perhaps I can help effect local change.

Also, it looks like I may have to learn to garden and can.... More to think about there. I have a black thumb, but I've always justified it by supporting *other people's* stands at the farmer's market.

Thank you for giving me a lot to think about --- practical steps that I can do which will help me to do -something-. I love MDC.
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