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post #41 of 55
My DS used to be similar to your E, and my daughter has dealt with a child similar to your E at school.

As the parent of a child who was struggling with self-control and social integration, I did not expect him to get invited to parties. It hurt very, very badly. But I understand that in life you are largely included based on what you bring to a situation where it's not an "everyone's invited." You get invited to the parties when you have something in common and you get along well. When DS started having better social skills and better impulse control he gained true friends and invitations. I would never have expected him to be invited to a party where an "incident report" had happened with the party kid - and I knew who the kid was because DS told me and he made amends every time.

DD dealt with a girl similar to E in grades 3 and 4. She was physically violent, emotionally manipulative and really, really unpleasant a lot of the time. DD is extremely patient and forgiving, and always sees the best in others. I had to step in and stop the volume of contact because I believe that we teach people how to treat us and I couldn't participate in or condone the perpetuation of such a dysfunctional relationship.

Our E's mom is not reasonable in her expectations - she expects her DD to be included in everything despite behaving atrociously most of the time. Lessons we need to teach our children, I believe, include respect for others, understanding our effect on others, and reasonable expectations (IE we're not the centre of the universe and people don't have to put up with our worst day in and day out, particularly not outside of 9-3).

Given that your E's mother declared to a group of parents in the community that she didn't invite two children (and named them!), I'd suggest that she also lacks social skills, sensitivity and tact. I think that both mother and daughter are probably struggling, hurt and don't know how to do things differently at this point. Particularly if E is threatening your daughter regularly and being physical, I think distance is reasonable. Our guidance with DD re our E was that she had to be kind and gentle, but also had to be clear with E about her boundaries. DD was older but it was still hard; for a 5 year old I think distance is a reasonable solution.

Going forward, I would not talk to anyone in the school community about it and I would be friendly with E's mom. If she does bring it up, I would do as a PP suggested and just say something along the lines of "The party was at our house and we could only accomodate 12 kids. I'm sorry that E was hurt, it's so hard when they're so little." Empathizing may move her off being mad to feeling heard and help her move on.
post #42 of 55
If you think this is bad at 6, just wait until she is a teen. Just the thought of my own children being teens scares the bejeepers out of me.
post #43 of 55
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Originally Posted by moxielou View Post
At a few end of year social events, E's parents were very cold to me and my DH. Now we are not close friends with them, do not socialize (unless in big groups where we are all invited), but everyone is very friendly and chatty. On a superficial level we parents were "friends." Now the mom of E is on the board of directors at the school and I saw her yesterday as I was at work and she was very cool to me. And I started to wonder--hey what's going on? I had recently noticed that I had "lost" a Facebook friend and I had been wondering who it was. So I looked her up and we were no longer Facebook friends--she had "unfriended" me in the last week or so!!!!!!

Now I don't really care that we are not facebook friends, but I think that's over the top!
One's child not being invited to a party that the parent and the child expected to be invited to is a big deal. It doesn't mean that you have to invite any one you (or your child) don't want to, but it sends a VERY clear message that "we are not friends and I don't care if your child is sad."

So, once you've made it clear that is how you feel, you can expect them to treat you the same way.

You were never really friends with this woman, just acquaintances. You don't like her kid, and now she knows it. There's really nothing for you to be upset over.

My advice is to be POLITE to the mom when you see her, but don't expect her to be your friend.
post #44 of 55
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One's child not being invited to a party that the parent and the child expected to be invited to is a big deal. It doesn't mean that you have to invite any one you (or your child) don't want to, but it sends a VERY clear message that "we are not friends and I don't care if your child is sad."

So, once you've made it clear that is how you feel, you can expect them to treat you the same way.

You were never really friends with this woman, just acquaintances. You don't like her kid, and now she knows it. There's really nothing for you to be upset over.

My advice is to be POLITE to the mom when you see her, but don't expect her to be your friend.


well said and right on point
post #45 of 55
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Originally Posted by Linda on the move View Post
One's child not being invited to a party that the parent and the child expected to be invited to is a big deal. It doesn't mean that you have to invite any one you (or your child) don't want to, but it sends a VERY clear message that "we are not friends and I don't care if your child is sad."

So, once you've made it clear that is how you feel, you can expect them to treat you the same way.

You were never really friends with this woman, just acquaintances. You don't like her kid, and now she knows it. There's really nothing for you to be upset over.

My advice is to be POLITE to the mom when you see her, but don't expect her to be your friend.
I disagree with this. The only message it sends is something like, "Your child isn't one of my child's five closest friends this month." Or however many kids are invited to any given party. There is no message about not caring if a child is sad, and whether the parents are friends isn't really relevant as a child's birthday party is about the child inviting her/his friends, not the parent inviting his/her friends' kids. Nor is there a message about whether you like the child. You all are reading a lot into this and things are going to get hard when your kids get older if you take this stuff so personally.
post #46 of 55
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I disagree with this. The only message it sends is something like, "Your child isn't one of my child's five closest friends this month."
I take it your child has never cried in your arms over not getting invited to a party of someone they thought was a friend.

This stuff is a big deal, and it makes kids sad. And parents care when their kids are sad.

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whether the parents are friends isn't really relevant as a child's birthday party is about the child inviting her/his friends, not the parent inviting his/her friends' kids.
It depends on the age of the child and the whole social situation.
post #47 of 55
I'm going to agree with mamazee on this one and yes, I have comforted a sad child who didn't get invited to a party.

I don't think the OP intended to let E or any of the other kids who weren't invited that there even was a party. We've certainly not been invited to birthday celebrations and my kid has been sad, but I try to explain that they must be having a small party. If her closest friend didn't invite her and did invite other classmates that would be hard to interpret as anything but an intentional snub, but anything less than that is not sending a "I don't like you" message.

It's a shame that it's this hard, but it's often a struggle. I respect the OP for honoring her daughter's wishes, though. It really would s*ck to have to have someone you really don't get along with at your own birthday party on your special day.
post #48 of 55
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Originally Posted by Linda on the move View Post
One's child not being invited to a party that the parent and the child expected to be invited to is a big deal. It doesn't mean that you have to invite any one you (or your child) don't want to, but it sends a VERY clear message that "we are not friends and I don't care if your child is sad."
So the OP should have invited 34 kids instead of 10 kids from her DD's class to the party? And if she didn't, it means she doesn't care if those 24 kids are sad? That's a ridiculous expectation.

Our best friends have a DS a little older than my DS, and the older boy hasn't invited my DS to his last couple of birthday parties. His parents tell him how many guests he can invite, and he chooses the guests, and the past couple of years there have been kids other than my DS who this boy is closer to. It would be inane for us to hold some sort of gripe against our friends over this. DS continues to choose to invite this boy to his parties, which is fine with us -- he gets to have the kids he wants at his party, and the other boy gets to have the kids he wants at his party, and no one's jumping to the wild conclusion that the boy's parents aren't our friends anymore or don't care if my DS is sad.
post #49 of 55
I support OP's logistic about not inviting "E" because my dd's behaviors were almost just like "E"'s and some children in her kindergarten class didn't invite her. My dd and I were hurt and we didn't understand why but then her school requested a meeting with me and my dh. My dh and I learned that my DH's behaviors were not normal and that she was crying for help. With therapy and etc, my daughter's boundaries has improved a lot and she is really happy now with a lot of friends and are invited to parties.

Hopefully, "E"'s mother will notice the pattern and school confronts the mother to get some help for her daughter then maybe that will be a learning lesson for both of them. Intervention works much better when it starts early at a young age.
post #50 of 55
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Originally Posted by Linda on the move View Post
I take it your child has never cried in your arms over not getting invited to a party of someone they thought was a friend.

This stuff is a big deal, and it makes kids sad. And parents care when their kids are sad.



It depends on the age of the child and the whole social situation.
I think it's an important lesson for this girl to understand that she can't threaten to kill another child regularly and be physically rough *and* get invited to the other child's birthday party. I think this child needs to experience normal social consequences (you just hit me, so no, I don't want to play with you right now) and get some coaching/help.

My son used to be like this, and I've comforted both of my children when they didn't get an invite. Teaching my children resilience is very important to me, and throwing a hissy fit when they get hurt doesn't help anyone - supporting them to roll with the punches does.

Also, E's mother announced at her dd's birthday party that she hadn't included 2 children from the class of 34 because of their behaviour, and named them. Do unto others and all that. I wonder if she's genuinely unaware of the extent of her child's behaviours, although I think incident reports would be a tip off.

I think the OP is doing a good job of navigating an unusual and sticky situation given the employment relationship.
post #51 of 55
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So the OP should have invited 34 kids instead of 10 kids from her DD's class to the party? And if she didn't, it means she doesn't care if those 24 kids are sad? That's a ridiculous expectation.
no, that's not what I said at all. I said that when you leave someone off who is expecting an invitation, they will most likely to take to to mean that YOU don't consider them a friend or a good enough friend or something along those lines. And that's all that happened.

It's fine to not invite anyone you don't for any reason you chose, but that is a choice with consequences. Our actions and choices affect other people. Sometimes doing what we want to -- even if it is the best thing for OUR child -- makes someone else unhappy. It's unreasonable to expect the rest of the world to always be happy with everything we do.
post #52 of 55
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Originally Posted by Linda on the move View Post
I take it your child has never cried in your arms over not getting invited to a party of someone they thought was a friend.

This stuff is a big deal, and it makes kids sad. And parents care when their kids are sad.



It depends on the age of the child and the whole social situation.
Yes, my dd has cried over not being invited to parties. And it's my job as the parent to explain the social reality, that you don't get invited to every party, just like you aren't able to invite everyone you'd like to invite to your party.
post #53 of 55
I was going to multi-quote a whole bunch of posts, but basically it boils down to this:

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Yes, my dd has cried over not being invited to parties. And it's my job as the parent to explain the social reality, that you don't get invited to every party, just like you aren't able to invite everyone you'd like to invite to your party.
I have 4 children, and all of them have been excluded from parties and playdates. Yes, it hurts to be left out. It's no fun to comfort a crying child. But I feel that it's a super important lesson for my kids to learn, that they will not be included EVERY time, and that's okay.

I would never hold it against a parent or child for not being invited to a birthday party. And quite honestly, in my experience as a parent, this has never been a big social issue. I don't know of anyone who expects their child to be invited to every party. I don't know of anyone who expects reciprocal invitations.
post #54 of 55
My kids have not been invited to some parties over the years. Yeah, they may be hurt or sad for a bit. But we just explain that sometimes people have limits on how many kids get invited, and that they don't get to invite everyone to their parties, either.

They get over it pretty quickly. It's not a big deal. It happens.

I cannot fathom an adult woman getting upset about her kid not getting invited to a birthday party. I wouldn't give it a second thought.
post #55 of 55
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Originally Posted by Linda on the move View Post
no, that's not what I said at all. I said that when you leave someone off who is expecting an invitation, they will most likely to take to to mean that YOU don't consider them a friend or a good enough friend or something along those lines. And that's all that happened.
Right, but my point is that we can't know in advance who is expecting an invitation. What if all 34 kids in the class were expecting invitations? What if all the neighbor kids, church friends, playgroup friends, etc. were also expecting invitations? That's why I said the only safe (but unrealistic) option would be to invite everyone, because the OP couldn't possibly know exactly who is expecting to be invited.

I agree for the most part with your statements about actions having consequences, and about not expecting people to always be happy with our decisions, but I also believe that people are responsible for their reactions, and it's a parent's job to help their child navigate disappointments like this in a healthy way. If the parent sees it as a huge slight, the child will pick up on that and may interpret it as A Huge Deal, whereas if a parent adopts a more neutral attitude, the kid will be disappointed but hopefully won't internalize it as some giant rejection with ongoing effects.
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