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help me figure out this shoulder injury

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I fell down a half flight of stairs today and landed pretty much on my shoulder. *ouch* Now about 8 hours later, I am still in pretty severe pain, but only some of the time. If I sit perfectly still, it doesn't really hurt at all. If I try to lift anything, it will hurt about half of the time, but when it does, it is like knives in my shoulder. I can't pull my pants up with my left arm, and certain motions hurt severely.

Any ideas? There is no swelling or bruising. At this point I am going to wait to call the doctor tomorrow morning. The pain radiates down my arm on the top to about halfway to my elbow if that makes sense when it is at its worst.

I cleaned my house a bit today (was having guests over) and at times, I felt light headed due to the pain and a little nauseous. It definitely is injured, but I can't figure out what might be wrong, or if it is ok to wait until tomorrow.
post #2 of 6
With that kind of pain I would not wait. I would call my md and go to the er.
post #3 of 6
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Ok, I just called the on-call doc and she said to take ibuprophen and ice it and see how it goes tonight and go into the office in the morning. She did say that if it still is pretty excruciating after the ibuprophen to go ahead into the local walk-in clinic. I am pretty sure I am going to try to stick it out until then. She did say it is possible I broke my upper arm with what I was describing, but obviously can't say without an x-ray.
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin_Pie View Post
I fell down a half flight of stairs today and landed pretty much on my shoulder. *ouch* Now about 8 hours later, I am still in pretty severe pain, but only some of the time. If I sit perfectly still, it doesn't really hurt at all. If I try to lift anything, it will hurt about half of the time, but when it does, it is like knives in my shoulder. I can't pull my pants up with my left arm, and certain motions hurt severely.

Any ideas? There is no swelling or bruising. At this point I am going to wait to call the doctor tomorrow morning. The pain radiates down my arm on the top to about halfway to my elbow if that makes sense when it is at its worst.

I cleaned my house a bit today (was having guests over) and at times, I felt light headed due to the pain and a little nauseous. It definitely is injured, but I can't figure out what might be wrong, or if it is ok to wait until tomorrow.
Clearly this is a significant injury requiring assessment and treatment by an appropriately qualified health professional with some urgency, and I don't mean a chiropractor, naturopath, etc (I think I might take some flak for that!!).

One of the absolute red flag rules of shoulder injuries is to always consider cervical spinal injury due to the risk of referred pain from the 4th, 5th & 6th cervical nerves.
Further information is needed to gain a clearer insight into what may have happened. Personally I think declaring one's personal health history on a forum is not wise. The health professional you consult will need to know at least: why you fell e.g. purely mechanical, or associated with other symptoms; your age; past health history; significant family history e.g. osteoporosis or connective tissue disorders; current medications or medications you should be taking but don't; type of pain on movement e.g. burning, lancinating; exacerbating factors; etc.
Examinations that the health professional will need to do include the range of motion and activities that do not cause pain, besides those that do. If this is solely a soft tissue injury of your left shoulder (and I'm not convinced it is) there are a series of clinical tests that can be performed. There is a good series of videos on YouTube for health professional students by Dr Mark Hutchinson which discusses many of them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p60X8fADTeg , the home page is at: http://www.youtube.com/user/BJSMVideos
It is probably a little premature to discuss appropriate investigations at this juncture. Personally I prefer minimal exposure to x-rays in soft tissue injuries (if that is what this is) and would choose ultrasound or MRI. The description of significant pain on movement, without marked swelling of your shoulder though, justifies x-ray to rule out fracture.

My apologies for probably creating more questions than I've answered. I hope you improve soon. And yes, urgent consultation of an appropriate health professional is justified on the grounds of pain and reduced capacity to undertake essential activities.

If you are breastfeeding, Hale's book is an excellent reference for safe medicines in breastfeeding. Your health professional will probably know of it.

Regards

Chris
post #5 of 6
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Ok, I took four ibuprophen and iced it and it is feeling a bit better. I am pretty sure I can get a decent night's sleep tonight at this point. I might have to get up to take more meds in the night, but I am ok with that.

Juliet's Dad, I do plan to go in tomorrow morning, but the thing with going in tonight is that it would likely make for an extremely long evening for my poor DS. I am a single parent, and there it noone I can leave him with. Tomorrow I am bringing him in to be seen to verify that he does indeed have chicken pox, and they are going to see me at the same time. If I need to go have x-rays, I am not sure what I will do at that point. Call around to see if anyone will take him for just an hour or two and hope for the best. I am actually a little scared to have them test out my range of motion, because I know how insanely much it will likely hurt. I am thinking I might not actually take any meds past midnight or so, so that they can see exactly where the pain is without it being numbed by the meds.

I am still nursing DS, and am a minimalist when it comes to medication. I refused any stronger pain meds tonight when I spoke with the doc on call. She was going to call something in, but I said no to them. I much prefer to be in manageable pain (even if it is pretty significant) than to dull it and possibly injure myself more, or pass something on in my milk to my son. I just want to get some sleep tonight and have it checked out tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by Pumpkin_Pie View Post
Juliet's Dad, I am thinking I might not actually take any meds past midnight or so, so that they can see exactly where the pain is without it being numbed by the meds.

I am still nursing DS, and am a minimalist when it comes to medication. I refused any stronger pain meds tonight when I spoke with the doc on call. She was going to call something in, but I said no to them. I much prefer to be in manageable pain (even if it is pretty significant) than to dull it and possibly injure myself more, or pass something on in my milk to my son. I just want to get some sleep tonight and have it checked out tomorrow.
No, NO, NO! There is absolutely no evidence that ceasing or interrupting pain-killers to "assist" in diagnosis does anything other than increase the complications of pain. From my reading of the US literature and lay-press, there does seem to be a persisting perception by many US lay-people and some US health professionals that interrupting pain-killers aids diagnosis. This is an archiac attitude and has no place in modern health care.
You do not say what strength of ibuprofen you are using. Be careful not to exceed the recommended dose (400mg, four times a day by mouth, with food, without the use of any topical anti-inflammatory gels) as there are significant complications associated with ibuprofen when the recommended dose is exceeded. ALWAYS take them with food, and I don't mean half a slice of bread or a couple of cookies, and a cup of coffee! Hales says the relative infant dose is 0.65%, i.e. insignificant. Of course whilst not relevant to you, ibuprofen must not be used by pregnant females at all, unless benefit outweighs risk as decided by a knowledgeable health professional.
Good levels of pain-killers will improve you ability to care for your son and greatly improve your quality of life. I believe that there is no point in being concerned about injuring yourself more by taking wisely prescribed pain-killers. A good health professional should be able to assess the client and prescribe pain-killers to optimise lifestyle, permit essential activities, whilst minimising complications. Fear of addiction is not relevant in the acute phase of injury.
If you are determined to use inadequate doses of pain-killers you may find icing your shoulder reduces pain, at least transiently. Apply ice packs while protecting the skin and nerves (ice in sealed bag or ice pack in damp cloth gently to the effected area for not more than 20 minutes at a time, and no more frequently than 4 times a day). Use of a broad arm sling may provide some comfort and will reduce inadvertent use of our arm. Long term use or a sling can lead to shoulder movement complications.
A fractured (broken) upper humerus should certainly be considered, and quite honestly more likely than shoulder soft tissue injury or neck injury in my opinion. Diagnosis is by x-ray. Indications of this is your described almost complete resolution of pain at rest and severe pain on applying a distracting weight (trying to lift something up) and any movement.
Being a single parent certainly complicates things for you. Not only in getting the x-ray done, but in the necessary treatment if you have fractured your upper humerus.

You will need analgesia for some time. This of course will be determined by your choice and availability of the treatment required.

Chris
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