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How to handle friends' son who is a real handful...

post #1 of 41
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My friends have a son who is quite high energy. He is also our godson. They have been away for a year working on a farm in another country and they came back recently and stayed with us for 2 weeks. Our son is 2 and theirs is almost 4 (they also have a 18 mo daughter.) The thing is that the parents I've noticed don't tend to follow up on the directives they give their son, so he does what he likes (much of which has involved coloring on our couch, chairs, floors and breaking our things!)
Our son started to pick up on some of the behaviors which I had feared, but now that they have left, I think a few quiet days will get us back to normal. They are staying just down the street now for a couple of days and they stopped by (unannounced, even though I had said before that today I was busy all day--I'm a wahm and I was working.) They needed to use our phone (we use a phone card instead of long distance, and the card that usually lasts us 4 months and that I just got the day before their arrival now only has 30 minutes left! They've used our stuff a lot. Wouldn't bug me except that they are "non-consumerist" and don't believe in consuming things, apparently unless they did not pay for them...boy, I'm sounding bitter. this is probably going to be mostly a vent!)
When they stopped by I showed them the huge cathedral of blocks that my son and I had built yesterday. My son is really non-destructive and so a cathedral of blocks will last until I put it away. Their son asked if he could knock it over. His mom said no, it was to look at. We were talking in the other room when I saw their son knock it down. Then he said my son had did it. That they had done it together. My son did not do it, since I saw the thing happen, but was rather shell-shocked about it and just kept saying "uh-oh church!". My friend believed her son that they had done it together and that also he had asked my son if it was ok.
Now, I'm not petty and don't care myself that the blocks were knocked down, but I do not like having my son used. This is not the first lie I've heard their son make up and blame my son for the things he has done. These parents do not believe at all in any form of rearing/discipline. I am gd but do follow up on directives. I don't want this kid around and it's awful because they are my friends and he is my godson. I am not sure how to possibly handle this. When they left, my son shut the door on them and said, "bye-bye." He's as sick of 'em as I am.
It's very sad because I like them but the behavior is maddening. What would you do???
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I'd probably be firmer in my boundaries if I were in your shoes. If you are busy working, then you are busy working and they can't stop by. I'd ask them to contribute to the phone card if they're going to be using it, especially for that long. It's crazy that they didn't offer to pay for some of the charges.

I'd also set my own directives for the 4 year old. It's your house, your rules. If you catch him in a lie, call him on it. You can say "I saw you push the cathedral down, I think now it's time to clean it up. We tidy up the messes we make in this house please." And for other things, "We don't colour on the floors in this house, lets go get the cleaning supplies to clean this up." I have no problems telling other children what to do in my house, gently but clearly, if the parents aren't already there. I have stopped inviting kids over who's parents don't do anything in terms of keeping their kids from destroying things or being nasty to mine.

I think you might need to talk to your friend about respecting these boundaries you set out too. I know, easier said than done, but really, if she's going to come over and let her child run amok, and take advantage, you're probably better off saying something now and risking some tension before it gets to the point where you don't want to see them anymore.
post #4 of 41
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I'd probably be firmer in my boundaries if I were in your shoes. If you are busy working, then you are busy working and they can't stop by. I'd ask them to contribute to the phone card if they're going to be using it, especially for that long. It's crazy that they didn't offer to pay for some of the charges.

I'd also set my own directives for the 4 year old. It's your house, your rules. If you catch him in a lie, call him on it. You can say "I saw you push the cathedral down, I think now it's time to clean it up. We tidy up the messes we make in this house please." And for other things, "We don't colour on the floors in this house, lets go get the cleaning supplies to clean this up." I have no problems telling other children what to do in my house, gently but clearly, if the parents aren't already there. I have stopped inviting kids over who's parents don't do anything in terms of keeping their kids from destroying things or being nasty to mine.

I think you might need to talk to your friend about respecting these boundaries you set out too. I know, easier said than done, but really, if she's going to come over and let her child run amok, and take advantage, you're probably better off saying something now and risking some tension before it gets to the point where you don't want to see them anymore.
I agree. When they're in your house he needs to follow your rules.
post #5 of 41
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I agree, but his parents are very very very against other people's parenting advice. I know I wouldn't be offering parenting advice, but they'd take it that way. Ugh. They had to leave a lot of the farms, so they say, because [I]other people's kids[I] were so crazy. I can't help but think it was a two way street. It's hard, because the woman is very defensive and also is likely to misconstrue anything that I say/do to our mutual friends (of whom there are many.) Not that they would take her part, but it's hard to think about...
post #6 of 41
They can be against other people's parenting advice all they want, but if a child is in my house & starts colouring on the couches & breaking things I will say something to the child whether the parents like it or not. If I have to repeatedly say something to the child I will start saying it in not nice tones whether they like it or not. It it happened alot they would not be welcome in my house, we'd meet elsewhere or not at all.

It sounds like these "friends" are mooches & don't care about other people's belongings. They're using you & have no intention of paying you back for anything. Godchild or not they're not friends by any definition and I'd either say something to them or drop them.
post #7 of 41
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It sounds like these "friends" are mooches & don't care about other people's belongings. They're using you & have no intention of paying you back for anything. Godchild or not they're not friends by any definition and I'd either say something to them or drop them.
Yes, they are mooches. I know that, and I've always known that. they've broken more of our stuff over the years (an expensive blender is one that I'm still crying over. Filled it COMPLETELY full of ice cream and then pressed High while laughing in a dr. evil manner until I smelled the motor burning and it was broken. No replacement. Also they have borrowed our stuff and never returned it. We just know if we lend them something that it is a goner.) I know they won't pay us back. Oh, and I didn't mention all the dirty diapers left on the porch that I picked up myself. The garbage can is 6 feet away I found their son's underwear flung into my lavender this afternoon, too. It had bugs in it. Grrr.
I hadn't thought about asking the kid to help me clean it up, but the thing is, he'd talk his way out of it/not do it. He is not used to such things.
The more I think about it, the angrier I become!
post #8 of 41
Wait... why are you still still associating with these people!? Godchild or no it sounds like these people are downright abusive towards you and your belongings and I wouldn't let them in my house again. I would flat out tell them that until they learn to control their child they aren't welcome.
post #9 of 41
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Wait... why are you still still associating with these people!? Godchild or no it sounds like these people are downright abusive towards you and your belongings and I wouldn't let them in my house again. I would flat out tell them that until they learn to control their child they aren't welcome.
I have to agree strongly with RKOM. Come on mama! No one says you have to let someone walk all over you because they are your so called "friend" or they are a little kid! If she has a problem with you not wanting your stuff used/broken then buh-bye! If your own kid doesn't break stuff at whim or get to color the furniture, why let someone else's kid? It's perfectly acceptable to speak up.
post #10 of 41
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Yes, they are mooches. I know that, and I've always known that. they've broken more of our stuff over the years (an expensive blender is one that I'm still crying over. Filled it COMPLETELY full of ice cream and then pressed High while laughing in a dr. evil manner until I smelled the motor burning and it was broken. No replacement. Also they have borrowed our stuff and never returned it. We just know if we lend them something that it is a goner.) I know they won't pay us back. Oh, and I didn't mention all the dirty diapers left on the porch that I picked up myself. The garbage can is 6 feet away I found their son's underwear flung into my lavender this afternoon, too. It had bugs in it. Grrr.
I hadn't thought about asking the kid to help me clean it up, but the thing is, he'd talk his way out of it/not do it. He is not used to such things.
The more I think about it, the angrier I become!
I think you might want to really rethink the friendship. I'm saying this as a gentle suggestion. If you have to worry about their reaction when their kid is destroying your house and you set out your own rules, and if they take advantage of you this much, they're not really good friends IMO. I've seen nothing but aggrevation in your posts, and while they are indeed vents, those are big enough issues for me to step back and reevaluate why I would be hanging out with these people.

It's not easy, I went through something similar recently, but it sounds like you're not getting as much as you should and are unable to have boundaries in this friendship and that's not okay.

Take care of yourself.
post #11 of 41
I have to agree with the PP who said that it is time to stop allowing them in your home. You can decide if you'd like to visit them in neutral territory.

We went through this last year where about 24 months of escalating bad behavior caused us to stop inviting friends and their child to our home. We just cannot do it anymore.
post #12 of 41
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This is hard to hear.


I agree. Turns out I'm not the only person who feels this way about them. Turns out we are the only people who said they could stay with us for a week (which turned into 2) after they sent out a mass email to everyone requesting invitations to stay (even camping. no one said they could camp.)


But still, this is hard to hear
post #13 of 41
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I just remembered that I will have to let them back in because they left a bunch of their stuff in our guestroom and in our garage...will that be an opportunity to discuss it, or should I not discuss it due to their history? Obviously I have to let them get their stuff. Whenever that will be.
post #14 of 41
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I just remembered that I will have to let them back in because they left a bunch of their stuff in our guestroom and in our garage...will that be an opportunity to discuss it, or should I not discuss it due to their history? Obviously I have to let them get their stuff. Whenever that will be.
I would greet them at the front door with their stuff and talk to them about it outside. They seriously have no respect for you, your house, or what you have done for them. I would explain why you are upset (ALL good reasons) and say that as much as you love them you cannot allow anyone to treat you the way you do. It is not healthy and you are not going to allow yourself that kind of unhealthy interaction anymore.
post #15 of 41
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This just is not so simple. They are now staying down the street and I just ran into them as I was walking DS. They invited us to play with them outside today. I said I couldn't since my mom was coming, but I was SOOOOO nice (even though I kinda felt weird since this thread was going and all.) They seem to have NO idea, people. She apologized for showing up at the wrong time yesterday, but not for anything else. They were all smiles and so friendly.
post #16 of 41
You have to stand up for yourself and your DS. If they are alienating everyone around them maybe it is time you told them flat out how you feel. I would have all their stuff together for them and waiting on the porch and then have the husbands take the kids and sit down with the mom and tell her how you feel.

Say I feel really awkward saying this, but I my feelings are hurt and I want to talk to you about it. Tell her that you feel taken advantage of and why. Be firm in your message and create boundaries. They may have different parenting styles and ideas, but they still need to be able to function in society and around others. Even if she doesn't believe in watching her son, if you need that boundary in place to be comfortable than she can watch him around you or not be around you.

With friends like her, who needs enemies? What are *you* getting from this relationship? I ask that because for a *long* time I was always the giver friend - rides, shoulders to cry on, moving help, money, etc. Then I realized anytime I ever needed anything my friends weren't around. I wised up and cut them out of my life.
post #17 of 41
If you do not feel comfortable talking to them in person about all the issues you have with them try an email or a letter. You need to get this out in the open. Maybe they really are as clueless as they seem or maybe they are well aware of the problems they cause and just are great at denying them even to themselves.
My mother had a so-called-friend for a while when I was growing up that every time she and her kids came over they would break at least one or two of my toys. The mother was always expecting help from my family in one form or another free babysitting, give them rides places, and all kinds of other things that would have been little if it had been a two way street. The problem was it wasn't and my mom came to realize that this lady had already used up all her other friends, and learned how to stop being this lady's doormat.
Some people are truly just users, they don't know how to be any other way and they never really will change unless they run out of people to use.
post #18 of 41
You know how most people on this board are big on natural consequences? The natural consequences of treating people (and their belongings) like crap is that they no longer want to spend time with you or let you in their house. YOU aren't doing something awful. You are saying that you are no longer going to let someone do something awful to you. It's different. Boundaries are good and healthy things. You don't hate them. You don't want them to die in a fire. You just don't want them in your house ever again because they have demonstrated a complete lack of respect for the fact that it is a privilege to go to someones house.

You don't need to feel bad for asserting your worth. Really and truly.
post #19 of 41
Non-consumerists who like to consume other peoples stuff get on my last nerve...like car-free people who always need a ride. It's really bad for their karma to behave this way so by not enabling them anymore you're really doing them a favor. I would say something about them having used up almost your entire phone card and definitely don't let them use it anymore. If they have no boundaries you need to have extremely firm ones. Good luck.
post #20 of 41
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Thank you, mamas. I'm going to talk to dh about it. It's such a complicated situation. I'm realizing that I'm not getting anything out of the relationship that I need. I was so relieved when they moved away; they've come back for summers and they always cause a big stir among people when they come. I'm getting together with a girlfriend Thursday to talk about it. She has a sordid history with the woman and has not attempted to see her yet (lots of people have not seen them yet, on purpose...) Where have I been??? Why do I feel I need to be the giver???
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