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Will he ever sleep???

post #1 of 9
Thread Starter 
So yes, another thread about sleep. I suppose this is more to vent, but if anyone has anything helpful to suggest or if you've been-there-done-that, I'd love to hear about it.

The lowdown: My 8.5 month old ds has always been a crappy sleeper. . .or should I say a snuggle sleeper. When he was born he would only sleep on me or DH and preferably at the boob. He managed to learn to take naps on his own (but generally doesn't nap longer than 1.5 hours at a time), but has never consistently slept more than 3 hours at a stretch at night. He has slept in bed with us since day one.

Recently, he has started scooting and getting very mobile and we decided to try and transition him out of our bed. We now have a toddler mattress on the floor next to our bed and are trying to have him sleep there.

But the last week or so has been hell. He suddenly won't nap alone. Wakes every 2 hours at night. Won't fall sleep easily. Wants to be on the boob all the time while sleeping. . .not nursing, just holding it in his mouth.

Is this a dev phase b/c of the crawling? Or is he freaking out b/c we are trying to have him sleep "alone" (really just a foot and a half away form us)? Will it get better? Agh. I told my DH we'd try this for two weeks (he's the one who doesn't want ds in bed with us anymore). . .but I am so sleep deprived and so not believing this will work. DH thinks we have been "enabling" him, that he will sleep fine on his own once he knows that's the only option. I tend to think that ds just isn't a good sleeper and it isn't anything we did or didn't do. . .and that its best to keep helping him sleep however we can. Of course, I'd also love to get some more sleep at night and to get those nap times to myself during the day.

Thoughts?
post #2 of 9
I tend to agree with you that he should just sleep in the bed with you guys if that's what works best. I don't think he's old enough yet to push independence on, and he certainly doesn't have the presence of mind to be purposely sleeping poorly just to convince you to let him sleep on the boob again. I think it's also pretty common for mom to feel like you do and dad to feel like he does.

I hope these two weeks aren't too hard on you and that your husband will agree to let him sleep with you again!
post #3 of 9
My ds sounds like he's essentially at the same point- I think it's an age thing as well- 8-10 months has always been a crummy sleep period for my kids. We have a pack and play beside the bed, and he will snooze in there for a bit at the beginning of the evening, but he really prefers sleeping in bed with me, and I'm ok with that.

DH wants him on his own, so the pack and play was my compromise. He's right there when he wakes and comes to bed with us at that point.

Also, his need to sleep while holding a nipple in his mouth just began to fade- when 4 teeth popped through in 2 days.
post #4 of 9
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Originally Posted by kismetbaby View Post
Is this a dev phase b/c of the crawling? Or is he freaking out b/c we are trying to have him sleep "alone" (really just a foot and a half away form us)? Will it get better? Agh. I told my DH we'd try this for two weeks (he's the one who doesn't want ds in bed with us anymore). . .but I am so sleep deprived and so not believing this will work. DH thinks we have been "enabling" him, that he will sleep fine on his own once he knows that's the only option. I tend to think that ds just isn't a good sleeper and it isn't anything we did or didn't do. . .and that its best to keep helping him sleep however we can. Of course, I'd also love to get some more sleep at night and to get those nap times to myself during the day.

Thoughts?
Wow, this sounds familiar...like from 7 years ago! My DS was the same way. We really just had to ride it out, and wait till he was old enough. DH was the same mindset too with wanting him out of our bed, but yet no real good solution to help everyone get sleep. Would your DH be willing to get up and lay down with him at night when your LO wakes up? With us, since my DH was not willing to do that, DS stayed in our bed after the first waking, because that is what I needed to function. And my opinion is that the "enabling him" is BS. My second one slept a bit better, and would actually let you lay her down in the crib after she was asleep. My third sleeps like a dream...all night already at 4 months, and can easily put herself to sleep as long as she is fed, dry, and not gassy. So I think it is totally dependent on the kid's personality/needs and has NOTHING to do with how you parent them to sleep. And there is hope...my oldest is now 7.5 and goes to sleep on his own in his own bed staying there all night and has for years now.
post #5 of 9
hugs! millie is JUST NOW taking a few naps on her own. like 2. in her life. ever. she'll be 9 mos old tomorrow! she's also learning to crawl and night times have been a wrestling match lately. the good news, though, is that she no longer sleeps on my chest. silver lining.
post #6 of 9

Hang in there

Oh how I feel your pain. Yes, he WILL sleep someday, I promise! You are doing such hard, hard work and he is so lucky to have you as his mom.

My DS just turned 10mos and finally turned a corner in the sleep dept. From newborn - 3mos he slept GREAT. I'd put him down awake and everything. From 3mos- 10 mos he slept like crap-o-la. He was one of those wake up 30 min after we put him down and then every 45min - hour. Usual nap time is only 30 min. I nursed him CONSTANLY. All... night... long. Every... single... night. (he slept w/ us)

We just came back from vaca last week. While we were on vaca we used a packnplay for beginning of night so that we could stay up a little later with friends. We continued this at home and now have a packnplay next to our bed.

Well, I don't know what did it, but (knock wood), ever since then he's been sleeping a bit better. And the last few nights he's even slept through almost the whole night!!!!!!!! Of course, by writing it I'm sure I've now jinxed it. Fingers crossed.

At any rate, I did absolutely no sleep training on him and nature (I think?) just took its course.

So there's my little story. Perhaps your guy, too, will turn a corner at 10months or sooner. At any rate, you are doing so well by him. Lucky baby.
post #7 of 9
Thread Starter 
Thanks mamas! For all the support. I know that this too shall pass. . .someday I won't be able to kick him out of bed!

Its just hard to be sleep deprived (don't we all know it!) and to never be able to get anything done. When he's awake he's either crawling after me or trying to get to the outlets/shoes/fireplace as quickly as possible. So if he won't sleep on his own I have no time. . .for anything. Ugh. And I hate it when DH says, "well, other babies sleep through the night/on their own." As if we got the defective model or something. (Actually my DH is pretty great, but we have had tension over the sleep thing and it makes it even harder.)

Anyway, he's been in his own bed for about 45 min now. . .we'll see how long it lasts tonight.
post #8 of 9
just posted this in another thread, sorry it is just a copy-paste, but it fits here too!--

at 8 months my DS was waking very often-- every 15-45 minutes. It was our WORST sleeping time. It will get better soon! He went back to his hourly waking and stayed there until his first year, when he began sleeping 1-2 hour stretches. Then at 18 months we started the nightweaning process (google Dr. Jay Gordon's Nightweaning, for babies 12 months and older) and took it slow (about a month overall)... he began sleeping 3-5 hour stretches! Then we moved him to his own bed and he began sleeping 8 hour stretches! We have even had a few 10 hour stretches! Of course as soon as all this great sleep happened, he started getting his 2 year molars, so he is waking a little more the last couple weeks.. but DH attends to him at night now, since I am pregnant and I won't be able to wake up with 2 babes all night. DS is an extremely light sleeper, it sounds like your DD is too. Have you tried white noise and blackout curtains? This helped us a lot. Also, DH took DS for the morning while he got ready for work and I slept in an extra hour. He also takes DS out every saturday morning for a breakfast date and errands and I get a couple extra hours.

hang in there, it will get better soon! A lot is going on at 8 months.. I NEVER thought I'd be out on the other side but here I am, and I can promise you that things will get better. For my DS it took waiting long enough for him to understand/be ready for nightweaning and moving him to his own bed. This surprsingly produced NO tears, just a little fussing (this is how I knew he was really ready) and we got results.

I would also recommend reading Sleepless in America. It has great strategies for structuring your day to help maximize nighttime sleep.
post #9 of 9
no real advice just saying I HEAR YA! we've been having sleep issues too! i read The No Cry Sleep Solution recently and was determined to get him on a schedule and sleeping without the boob. NOT WORKING AT ALL! (ok maybe the boob parting a tiny bit) the schedule part did work for like three nights and now it's worse than ever. i keep trying but man he is wearing me out! he is bound and determined to stay up till 11pm right now and there is no coaxing him to sleep, no routine that works or anything. even his napping is poor right now. like 20 minutes poor and maybe ONE per day. he is also crawling so he tries to crawl off the bed and the more i try to lay him down the more he fights me. don't know if it's related but he bit me twice the other night while i was trying to nurse him down. he was soooo tired and he wanted to nurse, IDK. i keep thinking about the book The Wonder Weeks it says in there that poor sleep is part of this age and i am pretty sure i read someplace that 8 mos was the worst. HTHs
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