Cornell doctor cuts young girl's "oversized" clitorises, and then uses a vibrator to check... - Page 2

[BunnySlippers]

Disgusting.
How do we stop this practise?

[Marsupialmom]

Speechless..............

[beckyand3littlemonsters]

Not read the article but the title alone makes me want to puke

[lookatreestar]

wow that is horrifying. how is no one stopping this person? how is it okay for a vibrating object to be anywhere near a minor? just wtf. seriously. :Puke

[Marsupialmom]

You know this is a human failure on many parts -- the parents for agreeing, the scientist and the medical staff that allowed it and didn't do anything.

[SleeplessMommy]

Poppas has indicated in this article and elsewhere that ideally he seeks to conduct annual exams with these girls..

Dr. Money, of Johns Hopkins (the pysch NOT dr who "approved" the David Reimer sex reassignment after his botched circ.) did the same kind of annual exams. BOTH Reimer and his identical twin died of suicide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reimer

Money is deceased now, and the entire Hopkins gender reassignment program was pretty much shut down, as far as I can tell, becuase of fallout from the john/joan case.

[Fyrestorm]

and why is this any different from doctors that stimulate erections in baby boys before they cut their genitals to see where to cut?

I wish I could say I'm surprised by this, but they do it to boys, why not girls? Parents allow this to happen to their sons all the time. I'm as appalled by this as I am by what goes on in hospital nurseries all over the country every.single.day. Appalled, but not surprised.

[CrunchyChristianMama]

Two quotes from the article stand out to me as really interesting. I wonder how these can be written about girls, but not about boys.

Many of us happen to think "normal" sexual development is actually likely to be thwarted by having parts of your genitals taken away without your consent

Even if he is able to save the nerves of the glans, which isn't always the case, Poppas is removing an important part of the female genitals. For a purely aesthetic reason.

[LavenderMae]

Pedophilia and genital mutilation. :Puke

[~Boudicca~]

W.T.F.


:Puke

[QueenOfTheMeadow]

Just a reminder from the UA:

keep in mind that threads still need to remain on-topic for the forum and should not be about individuals but about the general topic.

[AdinaL]

Hi and welcome to N&CE!

Please remember that namecalling is not allowed, and to follow the UA when you post. I completely understand the blind rage inspired by this story, but try to err on the side of caution.

Thanks.

[MrsMike]

This is so vile. So tragic and vile.

[goodygumdrops]

Here is the actual study

http://www.thestranger.com/images/bl...oppas_2007.pdf

[Mama~Love]

Oh. My. G-d. I can't say anything else for fear of violating the UA.

Horrifying, disgusting, and sick on so many levels.

[PuppyFluffer]

I was on the west lawn of the Capitol building in Washington DC today at the 7th annual demonstration on circumcision awareness - held in honor of National Men's Health Week.

I talked about this case and this story. It is amazing the disconnect in our culture between genial cutting of minor children - divided by gender. Any genital alteration of girls evokes pure outrage and abhoration in people. When you try to make a parallel to male genital mutilation, a lot of people don't get it.

I am deeply disturbed by this "study". I am glad it is coming out into mainstream media so that a light can be shone on genital cutting of children - ALL CHILDREN!

[annethcz]

Those of you who are getting so upset should read the actual study.

This is not a doctor is not randomly mutilating little girls just for having a clitoris that is "a little too big." This is a doctor who is treating children who have congenital adrenal hyperplasia and other conditions that cause ambiguous genitalia. Take a look at google images if you'd like to see an example of what children with this condition look like.

Now, I'm not advocating for genital mutilation, so please don't misunderstand. I will readily agree that the support for genital surgery for people with this condition is somewhat mixed. But for those who believe that surgery is a good option, what this doctor is researching is a positive thing. He's doing his best to preserve sensation and sexual function in the patients who have surgery. While the majority of the patients who received the surgery were minors, not all of them were. There are adults who choose to have this surgery, and there are advantages to preserving as much sensation as possible for those who make the choice.

As for the people who are upset about the follow ups, I think there needs to be a little clarification. These girls and women are not being penetrated, they are not being stimulated to climax. They are being touched in different areas and asked to report whether they can feel where they are being touched. The "vibrator" is a biothesiometer, which is a standard neurological medical device used in many different types of applications.

Now, I will say that I'm not a fan of this study. I don't understand why this kind of surgery can't wait until girls are old enough to make their own medical decisions. I do believe there is value in this study (for those who are old enough to give true informed consent), but I disagree with the methods (surgery on girls too young to consent). That said, I think that this has been blown out of proportion and that unfair and sensationalist generalizations have been made.

[Mama~Love]

Originally Posted by annethcz

Those of you who are getting so upset should read the actual study.

This is not a doctor is not randomly mutilating little girls just for having a clitoris that is "a little too big." This is a doctor who is treating children who have congenital adrenal hyperplasia and other conditions that cause ambiguous genitalia. Take a look at google images if you'd like to see an example of what children with this condition look like.

Now, I'm not advocating for genital mutilation, so please don't misunderstand. I will readily agree that the support for genital surgery for people with this condition is somewhat mixed. But for those who believe that surgery is a good option, what this doctor is researching is a positive thing. He's doing his best to preserve sensation and sexual function in the patients who have surgery. While the majority of the patients who received the surgery were minors, not all of them were. There are adults who choose to have this surgery, and there are advantages to preserving as much sensation as possible for those who make the choice.

As for the people who are upset about the follow ups, I think there needs to be a little clarification. These girls and women are not being penetrated, they are not being stimulated to climax. They are being touched in different areas and asked to report whether they can feel where they are being touched. The "vibrator" is a biothesiometer, which is a standard neurological medical device used in many different types of applications.

Now, I will say that I'm not a fan of this study. I don't understand why this kind of surgery can't wait until girls are old enough to make their own medical decisions. I do believe there is value in this study (for those who are old enough to give true informed consent), but I disagree with the methods (surgery on girls too young to consent). That said, I think that this has been blown out of proportion and that unfair and sensationalist generalizations have been made.

This should not be done on CHILDREN. I feel they should wait til THE CHILDREN can consent to it and any other medical procedures they need, as long as it's not life-threatening. Children should be made fully aware of their condition, and let them know their options when they are old enough. Having a big clit is not life-threatening. Who decides on the "appropriate" size of a clit in the first place???

And this quote sent me into a rage:

"Using the vibrator, he also touches her on her inner thigh, her labia minora, and the introitus of her vagina.."

That is just perverted and sick! If that's not sexul abuse, I don't know what it.

[mamadelbosque]

HOLY COW! I too am in absolute shock... it just screams 'abuse!' to me. I Mean, really? Your letting someone touch your *CHILD* and ask if they can 'feel' it? Right. Cause' thats totally neccasarry. At six.

If he wants to do this on adult women, heck, even teenagers, fine. But they had better be fully, 100% informed and consenting. Not little kids. And not w/o fully informed consent. Ugh.

[bluebirdiemama]

This is so horrible. I feel sick

What were these parents thinking?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!