Unhealthy habit - HELP! - Page 2

[Llyra]

Originally Posted by MCatLvrMom2A&X

You can get sick from touching poo it is called e coli and can cause some nasty stomach upset.

Yeah. There are bacteria that live in your lower colon that are quite at home there, and relatively harmless, but if you get them into your upper digestive tract they can cause some pretty serious upsets.

[holothuroidea]

Originally Posted by LorenaAZ

If she has something in her bottom that could make her sick, then she would already be sick. Touching her bottom won`t make her sick. Things that end up in our bottoms come in through our mouths. The only thing she might do, like someone else said, is cross-contaminate her vagina.

This is false. Very much so false.

The bacteria that help us digest food live in our colon. It may make sense to you that to be there they once had to go in through the mouth, and that's true, but once they set up a colony they multiply to levels that are healthy in the colon and very unhealthy to eat. We have an aversion to the smell of feces for a good reason.

Just to mention ONE possible cause of disease, E coli is present in many of our colons as normal flora but E coli is potentially lethal when consumed. Cross-contamination of human feces in food lead to many millions of deaths before we figured out that poop has bad buggies.

[spmamma]

Originally Posted by holothuroidea

This is false. Very much so false.

The bacteria that help us digest food live in our colon. It may make sense to you that to be there they once had to go in through the mouth, and that's true, but once they set up a colony they multiply to levels that are healthy in the colon and very unhealthy to eat. We have an aversion to the smell of feces for a good reason.

Just to mention ONE possible cause of disease, E coli is present in many of our colons as normal flora but E coli is potentially lethal when consumed. Cross-contamination of human feces in food lead to many millions of deaths before we figured out that poop has bad buggies.

This is what I thought. Ick.

[LorenaAZ]

Originally Posted by holothuroidea

This is false. Very much so false.

The bacteria that help us digest food live in our colon. It may make sense to you that to be there they once had to go in through the mouth, and that's true, but once they set up a colony they multiply to levels that are healthy in the colon and very unhealthy to eat. We have an aversion to the smell of feces for a good reason.

Just to mention ONE possible cause of disease, E coli is present in many of our colons as normal flora but E coli is potentially lethal when consumed. Cross-contamination of human feces in food lead to many millions of deaths before we figured out that poop has bad buggies.

Escherich coli has many strains. The ones that live in our digestive system are harmless to us. Newborns have them in their digestive tracts within 48 hrs from birth. Most of the time, their first ingestion comes as they pass through the birth canal and their faces are exposed to maternal fecal matter. It is not just by chance that the most common presentation for babies is occiput anterior (baby`s face looking towards mom`s anus).

The harmful virulent strains are the ones that can make people sick, such as the ones that have been found in hamburger meat and spinach recalls, both sources from animal manure that was a vector to virulent strains. Hamrless E.coli is also found in the human mouth, pharynx, nose, among other areas. The reason for washing hands after defecating is to not spread the harmful virulent strains from sick to healthy individuals.

I`m not in any way promoting poop eating. Just pointing out that there are different strains that do different things. Some can kill us, and some are part of our regular bacterial flora and are quite beneficial.

[angelachristin]

Originally Posted by LorenaAZ

It is not just by chance that the most common presentation for babies is occiput anterior (baby`s face looking towards mom`s anus).

I'm not weighing in on the poop debate because I am not that well versed in whether or not your OWN poop can harm you, though I tend to think that one's own poop is usually probably okay and it's poop from sick people and animals that tends to harbor the killer stuff...but I do think that the reason for occiput anterior presentation is due to the shape of a baby's head and a mom's pelvis, rather than the poop denominator. Just sayin'. Cuz I know how painful it is when your baby comes out occiput posterior. horrible!

[LorenaAZ]

Originally Posted by angelachristin

I'm not weighing in on the poop debate because I am not that well versed in whether or not your OWN poop can harm you, though I tend to think that one's own poop is usually probably okay and it's poop from sick people and animals that tends to harbor the killer stuff...but I do think that the reason for occiput anterior presentation is due to the shape of a baby's head and a mom's pelvis, rather than the poop denominator. Just sayin'. Cuz I know how painful it is when your baby comes out occiput posterior. horrible!

angelachristin, you are right! And in nature`s wonderful plan, the least painful way to birth for mom is also the best for baby`s GI tract colonizaiton.

[Calm]

It isn't just pinworms that cause this, which is why parasites are often overlooked as a cause if there are no results on the tape. I would treat for parasites, because if she eats meat, chances are she has them regardless.

Medical treatment is albendazole, very effective, but you need a prescription and I personally avoid medications altogether.

Herbal treatment is black walnut hull and wormwood tincture, but it must be constant dosing throughout the day for a couple of weeks.

The best treatment, in my opinion, is MMS (chlorine dioxide). I love this stuff, it treats everything... so any other issues she has will also go away magically - and I do mean everything. I used it with my son when he was a baby and I would use it on a newborn in a heart beat. Very safe, and degrades into sodium chloride when the work is done (table salt). You can get it online, and I can tell you how to dose or you can follow the site of the man who discovered this. Look around the site on how to dose, but basically, I would start with one drop every hour for a day and then two drops the next day each hour... continue increasing until she is at one drop per 11 pounds of body weight. Watch the poop, it may get runny, full of worms, or she may vomit but these are detox symptoms.

I would treat for parasites and then reevaluate if she is still poking around in there. Although, I like the previous post that suggested offering private time in the bath.

[spmamma]

Update

Okay, so we've made a few changes in the last few days that have helped a bit.

First, we started bathing her every night instead of every other night. She's not a dirty kid, but I figured it couldn't hurt. Second, she's no longer wearing underwear to bed at night to help air things out a bit. (I've been meaning to do this anyway.) Third, we stop whatever activity she's in the middle of working on and take her to wash her hands when it happens.

She's pretty much stopped doing it during the day (yay!) but has taken to doing it right before bed to get attention. So, the problem is not completely eliminated but it's gotten a lot better.

[Tjej]

That sounds like a quick improvement!

[spmamma]

Originally Posted by Tjej

That sounds like a quick improvement!

It is! Although I could do without the before bed, "I'm poking my bahbam! Hehehehehe!"