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post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
OK so DD just started up on solids and is nursing ALOT...shes 9 m/o and her father wants her every other weekend...how am i suppose to handle this? how is she? what do i do?!? she never has a bottle and i dont hardly even have milk stored..i was laid off while pregnant and still on unemployment so have been a SAHM this whole time...she loves her dad and all but there have been times hes tried to soothe her before and shes hysterical...WWYD?

btw me staying with her is not an option and he wont just come here...
post #2 of 25
What is the visitation schedule now? EOW is really unreasonable at that age, unless you've been slowly working up to it with an occasional overnight.
post #3 of 25
If he takes you to court thats whats going to be ordered. So, if your ex is reasonable I would work up to the baby doing overnights with him, and then doing EOW. And, if she doesn't take a bottle, now's the time to start offering one, or at least seeing if she'll take milk from a sippy cup or straw.

My son started EOW with his dad at 11months, and it went just fine, so I don't think its so hugely unreasonable.
post #4 of 25
He'll just have to be patient. Offer short but frequent visits, and be very clear with him that spending the whole weekend away from you would not only be quite traumatic for her and possibly interfere with the b/f relationship, but would likely cause attachment issues. I've found this schedule to be handy (scroll down to "unequal time").
post #5 of 25
What state are you in? That's going to play a factor in what a court will order.

I live in NJ and there would be no overnight visits until 2 years of age, and then it would just be one overnight a week. The Every other week-end would start around 3-5 years of age. In another state, it may be different so you need to find out the norm for your state.

If it is the norm for your state, then you need to see if your ex will agree to a gradual increase in time. Maybe one overnight a week to begin with.
post #6 of 25
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Originally Posted by thyra View Post
If he takes you to court thats whats going to be ordered.
Depends on the state. In NJ, it wouldn't be ordered at that age. In fact, overnights would not start until 2 years of age.
post #7 of 25
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Originally Posted by Goodmom2008 View Post
Depends on the state. In NJ, it wouldn't be ordered at that age. In fact, overnights would not start until 2 years of age.
You are right that it depends on the state, however most states are not like NJ and Texas (where I've heard that is true as well).

And, my son has not been traumatized, nor has it interfered with our BF'ing relationship for him to have overnights with his dad. I think thats individual, and I think that studies that indicate that are probably flawed (as in, dad is a caregiver and if has a good bond, baby won't be traumatized. If however, baby is left overnight with someone who they don't have a bond with, yes, they could be traumatized.)
post #8 of 25
Thread Starter 
right now he just come to see her but now i started seeing somone who i do NOT bring around the baby b/c i dont want her having people in and out of her life and all of a sudden its i have rights blah blah blah. DD loves him and its not i feel hes unreasonable...im just very nervous and dont see how it will work...besides my breasts have never responded well to the pump so im awfully nervous about that as well.
and shes certainly not STTN and he HAS "slept through" her crying on several occasions and a afraid he will have her CIO
post #9 of 25
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Originally Posted by anielasmommy09 View Post
right now he just come to see her but now i started seeing somone who i do NOT bring around the baby b/c i dont want her having people in and out of her life and all of a sudden its i have rights blah blah blah. DD loves him and its not i feel hes unreasonable...im just very nervous and dont see how it will work...besides my breasts have never responded well to the pump so im awfully nervous about that as well.
and shes certainly not STTN and he HAS "slept through" her crying on several occasions and a afraid he will have her CIO
Ok, if you think he will be reasonable with you then propose a schedule (write it out, email it to him and ask for him to email you back with his thoughts, ways he wants to revise, etc. so that you can come up with something). If the schedule increases the amount of time he has with her over time, she may not spend more than one night at a time until she's over a year.

Its ok to be nervous. I was too. But, it worked our just fine for us.

And, are you in court over this matter? That will change things fast - if neither of you has filed for custody or if you don't have a court ordered visitation schedule that can add a whole new dimension.
post #10 of 25
That is ridiculous--she is too young for that. In WI, we were forced into mediation to discuss this stuff before a judge would rule on anything. Our DD was almost two and he has no over-nights and no nap times.
You say he won't come there, but if he is serious about spending time with her he might; otherwise I would largely suspect a power struggle is at the bottom of this. Offer a couple of hours in the AM, then another couple in the afternoon. Bottom line--she is too young to be away from you fir a weekend, especially if you have been a SAHM. Consistency is important...I would argue that he doesn't have her best interests at heart if he disagrees...
post #11 of 25
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Originally Posted by thyra View Post
You are right that it depends on the state, however most states are not like NJ and Texas (where I've heard that is true as well).

And, my son has not been traumatized, nor has it interfered with our BF'ing relationship for him to have overnights with his dad. I think thats individual, and I think that studies that indicate that are probably flawed (as in, dad is a caregiver and if has a good bond, baby won't be traumatized. If however, baby is left overnight with someone who they don't have a bond with, yes, they could be traumatized.)
There's that word most. You can't say most states. Because some states do take age into consideration and would not order overnights for a baby that is still nursing. A handful of states would order 50/50 physical right off the bat regardless of age and bfing. And some states will do what you say. But I doubt that it would be most of them in a child under a year of age.

As for studies being flawed. Well, they all are. Why? Because kids are individuals. And it is very costly to study every single child out there.

While your baby may be handling it well, her baby may not. I know that my youngest wouldn't have handled it well at all. She would have been traumatized. And was when overnights started and was only able to do one overnight every other week-end. She's older now and can handle a lot more than she could when my ex and I first split.

It is unlikely that the father in this case will get every other week-end at this age. But the OP needs to find out what the norm is in her state.
post #12 of 25
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Originally Posted by anielasmommy09 View Post
right now he just come to see her but now i started seeing somone who i do NOT bring around the baby b/c i dont want her having people in and out of her life and all of a sudden its i have rights blah blah blah. DD loves him and its not i feel hes unreasonable...im just very nervous and dont see how it will work...besides my breasts have never responded well to the pump so im awfully nervous about that as well.
and shes certainly not STTN and he HAS "slept through" her crying on several occasions and a afraid he will have her CIO
What you need to do is consult with an attorney. They will know more about how the judges will rule where you are than anybody here. Personally, I would fight overnights until your baby is between 18-24 months. Especially with the problems you have with pumping.
post #13 of 25
Thread Starter 
TY ladies i am in MA btw. we have not gone to court for anything. he for the most part is reasonable...things have just been changing lately. i think he sees it as shes almost 9 m/o so shes almost 1 and she should be old enough now..

she is VERY high maintenance and still likes to be worn in the wrap 2+hrs a day. shes very sensitive and extremely clingy to me. even if he is holding her 2ft away from me she screams and reaches for me. but he says when i leave her alone with him she is fine. but 3xs since her birth i have left to go run errands or whatever with her napping in her crib and i have come home to him sleeping on the couch and her crying in her crib all by herself! that is seriously not ok with me. at night forget it. he as never once woken when she cried even when we were together and she was just born. he has no clue how to soothe her b/c he never has. hes never wanted to...as it is i BEG him to come see her and now he wants EOW? wtf! he didnt see her for 1.5 months and it got to the point she was waking up at 9pm (when he used to get home from work) then crying dada over and over...then she woke at 2am 3 nights in a row screaming DADA and pushing me away when i tried to soothe her. i finally got him to come see her after i called like 5x in one day flipping out. she only says dada and daddy when hes around or if she wants him and it breaks my heart when i cant do anything about it.

i do need to consult an attorney though. besides he claims child support is 21% in MA but i read it was 30% and he says if he has to pay her healthcare that is deducted from child support...
post #14 of 25
I suggest getting a lawyer asap. Your state should have some sort of formula they use to decide what percentage of his income your ex needs to pay. In my state they also decide what percentage of health care costs and work related child care costs the non-custodial parent needs to pay in addition to the amount of child support they need to pay. My state also has minimum visitation guidelines for kids that include only daytime visits one day every other week until the child is four. I don't live in a state that is traditionally associated with taking children's needs into account so I bet your state will have some protections along those lines.
post #15 of 25
You also could/should be documenting everything with him--starting as far back as you can remember. If you did have to beg him to see her and now he suddenly wants EOW you can show that he has not been interested in spending much time with her.

Child support is a set formula, at least in my state. Probably can find that online easily...
post #16 of 25
I think I remember your story from a while back. If memory serves, your main issue as a couple was him not being emotioanlly attached to you OR your daughter, so I am willing to bet, hes just blowing smoke to spite you.
post #17 of 25
Thread Starter 
yeah that was a major issue in our relationship....
post #18 of 25
I second the suggestion to keep records of everything. Every time he sees her, every time he calls, every time you call, every time you offer time to let him see her and he refuses, etc. I've been keeping records like this for 6 1/2 years. We've been to court twice and they've been very handy to have. I'm pretty sure we'll be back in court in the next few years and, again, it will be handy to have.

Your little one is right about the age my ds was when ex first took me to court. Up until that point I had been bringing ds to meet ex at least once a week, more if he asked. Most of the time he didn't show up. He got a bug up his butt and decided he was going to go for every other weekend, every wednesday night and I think he also requested 2 daytime visits every week. At the time he asked for that he had never been alone with ds. DS was 8 months old and still nursing.

I freaked And then somehow I managed to calm down and in court my lawyer and I proposed a schedule for building up visitation instead of throwing ds right in. I suggested ex start at 1 hour visits 3 times a week, then move to 2 hour visits 3 times a week, then 3 hour visits 3 times a week, then 4 hour visits 3 times a week, then 5 hour visits 2 times a week and a 3 hour visit once a week..... I can't remember where it went from there but it eventually lead to overnights and weekends. The Judge was impressed and convinced that I really wasn't out to be a b*tch to ex, I really was keeping ds's best interest in mind. He ended up ordering visitation at my discretion.

Ex worked up to 3 hour visits then refused to move to 4 hour visits. He rarely showed up for visits as it were and then when ds was 25 months old he just stopped showing up and calling. He's not had unsupervised visits since then (mainly because he's disappeared from ds's life and I refuse to make ds go with someone who doesn't have a clue about him- ds has autism). Ex has gone up to a year without any contact (no calls, emails, texts, doesn't see ds, etc). Yesterday marked 3 months since we've heard from him this latest round. The last time I heard from him was an email (after he skipped a visit with ds without any calls or anything) saying that he believes visitation needs to change so will be taking me to court to attempt to get all school vacations (christmas, spring) and half the summer. I sent him a brief email reply stating that it was his right if he felt the need to and made sure he had my address to have his lawyer send paperwork to Haven't heard from him (or his imaginary lawyer) since.

All that to say.... I would recommend you find out the laws in your state (regarding how old a child has to be when overnights are ordered) and then make a schedule to build up to overnight visits, since it sounds like there isn't any reason a judge wouldn't eventually order that.
post #19 of 25
Thread Starter 
extremely helpful Steph thanks a bunch i will do all of that
post #20 of 25
I would not agree to any unsupervised visitation in your situation. I would let him visit her in your home and that's it until court orders otherwise. Getting into court and going through all of that will take quite a while. By that time, she will be older and probably better able to handle longer visits. A judge will more than likely start with supervised visitation if Dad is not really in the picture much and work up to longer visits. I would keep a log of all communication/visits with Dad. Keep it short and to the point. Don't call Dad to nag him about coming to visit his DD besides the first notice that he can have visitation in your home and that's it until legally ordered otherwise. It is HIS responsibility to prove he wants to be involved. Don't let him bully/threaten you about what the courts will do or how much he will have to pay in support. Stick to the visitation issue only. Be polite. Be firm. Do not argue or negotiate. If he is not willing to visit her on the terms provided my experience has shown a judge will not just start sending a small child into unsupervised visitation when the other parent has shown no interest.

I would start calling around and making appointments for free consults with attorneys to see what is available to you. If you have little income, the state should be to provide you with counsel that is cheaper than a private high-priced attorney.

Stay strong and keep your child's best interests in mind!
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