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post #1 of 19
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DH and I are in the business-plan-writing stage of starting a business in Aveyron with my father, who lives there. We are hoping to move next Summer (and we will spend 3-4 months in the Winters back in the States).

My Dad's partner just started his own business, too, under a new plan called the auto-entrepreneur. I understand that there is a 35K euro per year in income cap under that plan but that families break up the business into two, one owned by each partner, to get around that.

Anyone have any experience with this new system? It's supposedly very easy to set up. Dad's partner is a UK citizen, as am I, so I hope that it'll be easy for us, too. As DH is American, we thought it best to initially put the business in my name, although DH will be doing the lion's share of the work.

Also, I have some questions that my Dad can't help with (he's been great with researching residency requirements, etc!). I'm an EU citizen, as is Dad. My DH and my kids are American. What's involved in getting the kids made citizens if the business takes off and we live there long-term?

* Homeschooling. We're homeschoolers and I've read some things about that. I wonder about the French part of the assessment that the state does. My kids will be learning French there...we are even thinking of not homeschooling for year or two and sending them to the (very small) village school so that they become proficient. We'd especially consider this if we find difficulties with making friends for the kids as homeschoolers. But, obviously, they will not be able to show their full academic achievement in French for some time. Is there some accomodation for newly-arrived foreigners? Any been-there, done-that tips for homeschoolers?

* Negotiating the national health system. Does France enforce the mandatory vax? Are there exceptions? This is not a deal-breaker for us...I selective vax, but I can see feeling bullied and out of my depth if confronted in a foreign language by a professional who knows the rules better than I do, you know?! What kind of doctor ought we look for? My Dad sees a homepath which sounds like Heaven to me, who has to pay through the nose to see an non-insurance-paid homeopath when my we need it! Will the kids need a pedi there or are there family-practice practitioners? (Dad doesn't ask questions like that!)

* Socialization. This isn't really a France-specific question, I guess. We'll be living in a fairly rural part of Aveyron and I worry about having anyone to make friends with. We don't want to get trapped into the English-speaking expat crowd exclusively....my Dad tells stories all the time of especially English retirees who come down to his area and never learn French but hole up in their little cliques of similar people....that's not for us! But I would love to know that I can find people I have things in common with there. Anyone have experience of the area around Villefranche-de-Rouergue in Aveyron??? We haven't yet been for a visit, but this is the closest bigger village to my Dad, and that's where we are looking at to base the business and live.

I moved internationally a lot as a kid, but our moves and schools and things were always funded by Dad's company. Doing it all by ourselves is new to me (and to Dad, who is kind of mentoring us). There's a lot more to think about this way!

We're going for a visit in September and some of these questions can be answered on the ground there, but I wanted to get a feel for it from someone besides Dad.

Oh, any suggestions for getting us all up to speed with our French? I lived in Belguim as a child and while I'm by no means a French-speaker, I usually know enough to get by. DH and kids speak none, and I worry about becoming a crutch for them (this has happened to my Dad and his partner...Steve will actually call him from work to ask him to translate...it's silly!). We're planning to do things like watch familiar movies but in French and institute a 'French-only in the house' rule by the New Year. Can anyone recommend a good and inexpensive program for the whole family?

Many thanks!
post #2 of 19
vaccinations : the only 3 that are compulsory now in France are DTP
Dyphtérie, Tétanos and Polio.
the other vaccinations are ALL optional .... although when you go and visit some doctors, you wouldn't know it the way they go on about it.

+ as homeschoolers you should'nt have any pressure to vaccinate your children, unless they want to participate into some sort of camps or sports activities where they DO check vaccination status ... school attendance usually means having one's vaccinations up to date ....

+ I'm not sure how precisely are things for "permis de séjour" (since your kids and DH are not Europeans, they'll need to apply for one) but I know that there's a compulsory health examination in order to obtain one ...
post #3 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thanks, IsaFrench!

I have another question about car seats. It turns out my childhood French prepared me to talk about farm animals, food, pets, colours, boys and how to enquire about the restroom. It did not prepare me to discuss car seat safety.

I had a thought that I'd jeep an eye out for sales and maybe have Dad go get us car seats this summer so that we'd have them there for our visit in September plus have them there for when we move. Dad propmtly sent me a link to a local store that is having a sale on car seats for the next three days.

Here's the sale catalogue (pages 86-87): http://nos-catalogues-promos.e-lecle.../0312/10G03/V1

I don't know...those look mighty cheap (is Leclerc like a Walmart?).

This is the website I've been using to look up safe, long-term rear-facing and extended-harnessing car seats: http://www.carseat.se/store.html

Obviously a difference there!

My main questions are regarding the Auto-siege Titan and Racer models which say they encompass groups 1-3. I can't find (or I just don't understand it!) anything about either how long they go rear-facing nor about height or weight limits.

Can anyone help my decipher this?

Many thanks!

ETA: what's the French term for rear-facing in a car seat? Knowing that would help me a great deal!
post #4 of 19
am a bit in a rush right now but I think that in the last year, in this sub forum about France I linked to a web page from some official french site that gives all the current details about car seats

rear facing is "dos Ă  la route"
I think I remember that the limit is 9 kg minimum to start front facing ...

Leclerc is much smaller than a Walmart but indeed the starter-owner of this chain has very much had in mind offering stuff at the best (lowest) price possible ....
I couldn't really advise on safety between one brand and another ... whenever my american friends start talking "technical" about car seats ... I'm just out of my depth ... I just "don't get it" ... I mean, to me, if it's sold in a shop, then I assume that it has all the agreements that it needs and will do the job properly
post #5 of 19
I paste this from the post "moving to France and clueless"

here's a link to local regulations
http://www2.securiteroutiere.gouv.fr...uto_sept08.pdf

+ you'll need a yellow (like the color of a yellow highlighter!) vest not in the boot but inside the car & near you + a triangle de signalisation (in case of an accident) => this law was recently implemented (summer 08)
post #6 of 19
LeClerc is a big supermarket here that also sells a bit of everything on the side. I bought my kids carseats at a similar type store (Carrefour) and they are fine. One cost 50 euros and the other 80. For me, we didn't do all the research, but like IsaFrench I think that if they sell it it needs to meet certain requirments, so it should be okay. Plus not everyone can afford 300 euro super great name brand seats (like Romer which is Euro britax) so what do you do if you are on the poorer side?

As for citizenship, can't your kids get EU status through you? I am american but dh is Italian and our kids are dual citizens. Your dh will need a permit but other than requiring ridiculous amounts of paperwork and time he should be fine.
post #7 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the replies. I'm looking for car seats that will stay rear-facing until the baby is three years or so, and two forward-facing ones that use 5-point harness until age 6 or so. I guess I'll just have to bring ours with us on our trip this time and spend some time looking in the shops for a longer-term solution.

My issue is that simply meeting a government regulation is in my mind NOT sufficiently safe (like going front-facing at 9 kilos....I wouldn't do that!!!).

I know that Swedish car seats are widely available throughout Europe, but I can't find a place that lists the legal car seats to use in France.....or is that an EU-wide regulation? It's confusing.
post #8 of 19
this link below should work

http://www.securite-routiere.fr/vehicule-siege.html


it says : (with pictures that I don't know how to copy !)


LES SIEGES ENFANT


securite-routiere.fr, sièges enfants, securite-routiere.fr

GROUPE 0 : de la naissance Ă  10 kg

GROUPE 0+ : de la naissance Ă  13 kg
- lit avec filet ou bandeau de maintien
- porte bébé dos vers l'avant du véhicule

securite-routiere.fr, sièges enfants, securite-routiere.fr

GROUPE 1 : de 9 Ă  18 kg

- Siège auto homologué doté d'un harnais (siège baquet) ou dans un siège avec tablette de protection (siège à receptacle).

securite-routiere.fr, sièges enfants, securite-routiere.fr

GROUPE 2 : de 15 kg Ă  25 kg

- Siège ou coussin rehausseur à l'arrière avec harnais ou ceinture.

Le transport d'un enfant de moins de 10 ans sur un siège avant d'un véhicule à moteur est interdit, sauf :
- Lorsque l'enfant est transporté, face à l'arrière, dans un système homologué de retenue spécialement conçu pour être installé à l'avant des véhicules.
- Lorsque le véhicule ne comporte pas de siège arrière.
- Lorsque le siège arrière du véhicule sont momentanément inutilisables ou occupés par des enfants de moins de 10 ans.
commun.
post #9 of 19
found that snippet of info on a french forum

Tu peux laisser ton enfant dos à la route très tard, les pays scandinaves restent comme ça jusque 4 ans.... Il te faut un groupe 0/1 ou un groupe 1 DOS a la route, on en trouve difficilement, mais on en trouve (Britax Hiway, graco duologic....)

if you can read the French in my previous post,
the "official" limit for "dos Ă  la route" is 13 kilos
post #10 of 19
found that as well (but no time to check the websites myself)

Pour plus d'infos sur le dos à la route jusqu'à 5ans, le site du fournisseur de sièges auto adaptés, et un site d'information avec plein de photos et d'explication:
http://www.akta.se/o.o.i.s/5
http://www.carseat.se/
post #11 of 19
here's mention of another brand

le kiddy ou cybex pallas que un siege 5 point face Ă  la route.

some more infos from someone who's done it

nous avons pour les deux enfant 2 akta graco duologic et depuis hier aussi le multitech. le multitech a l'avantage, que l'enfant peut rester dos Ă  la route jusqu'Ă  5,5 ans! en fait, il est comme le evolva, mais avec quelque modification dos Ă  la route jusqu'Ă  25kg. on peut l'installer aussi face Ă  la route, mais c'est pas recommander (il est trop lourd) et ce siege n'est rien pour les plus petits.. a partir de 9kg ou 1 ans...
il n'est pas isofix

le duologic avec isofix rendre dans les plus petits voitures et est aussi ideal pour les nourissons avec une position plus allonger, comme dans un coque "classique".

sinon, il existe aussi plein des autre siege "dos Ă  la route" sur la site www.carseat.se

la livraison est tres tres vite et dure pas plus de 4 jours!
post #12 of 19
Thread Starter 
Oh, IsaFrench, you are beyond awesome! Thank-you, thank-you! I'm still working through the French, but that vocabulary is just what I needed to do further searching and that info is great!

I have a childhood school friend in Paris who has a son the same age as my middle son. We're planning to have a long talk some time this week and she ought to be able to help some, too.

Don't know why car seats came up first, but I guess I'll just plow through one issue at a time. Next up: Where to order clothes online (not a big selection in rural Aveyron I hear!).

Also a cultural question. I've been checking out sites like Craigslist and Freecycle and looking for French equivalents...we'll eventually need to furnish a place on the cheap. I don't see much. My Dad's observation is that there isn't much in the way of selling used items in France, except cars. His opinion is that it is outside the cultural norm to buy used things. Any thoughts? We LOVE flea markets and garage sales. Will we find things like that in France?

Again many thanks!!!
post #13 of 19
flea markets and the like
search your local directory (or online) for
"Les compagnons d' EmmaĂĽs" it's a charitable association that helps single men in a sort of communal living facility, they accept donations and have second hand shops with all sorts of stuff (including furniture)

in my town for second hand stuff we can also go to
- la croix rouge
- le secours Catholique
& there are some others I can't remember the name off

I ALSO use the last two to give out outgrown clothing when I don't know someone who will take it

Lookup as well for Le troc de l'ile (not sure of the spelling of the last word though), there seem to be a chain with several stores in France
other wise look into your yellow pages telephone book for dépot-vente
some do books and furniture, bric a brac, some specialise in children's clothing (or even brand names women's clothing)

There used to be something called "Envie" , they do have several stores in France but not sure where now ; they would help men again in a "centre de ré-insertion" gathering unwanted appliances, refurbishing them and selling them with "garanti un an" .... we got a combined fridge-freezer from them in 1995 and it lasted us 10 years & I sold it 40 euros even before moving abroad!

the nearest to a garage sale is called "un vide-grenier"
depending on where you live, you can go to several a month if you keep you eyes peeled for cardbord signs by the road side which usually advertise them

am sure there are ways to find out more on the internet but I can' recall right now what it is that I heard mentioned as websites ....

for new clothing by mail order you have
la redoute
les 3 suisses
which are the 2 main mail order chains
it's faster to have your parcel delivered to the "relais colis" nearest you home (rather than elect having it arriving in your letter box)
these 2 do children's clothing as well as the rest

for adults (and also larger sizes) you also have
La blanche porte
but it doesn't do children and limited everything else

for children's clothing you can try
vert baudet

lately for children's clothing I've been using special offers or sales in these stores; Géant (a supermarket as well, any large chain will have basic children's clothing, Carrefour, Cora, Auchan, it all depends on what's in your area in fact)
but also Gémo, Kiabi (here's a pun, took me YEARS to "hear it" = the "invented" word kiabi which for years I thought what the name of someone or someplace .... is the phonetic for "qui habille" which means more or less "who clothes someone"), C & A .... am not very fashionable but have heard that H &M and Zara shops are now springing in every middle sized town ....

what's the nearest "big town" to where you'll be ?

+ when I was a student once a month there were dates published in the local paper for "les objets hétérogènes" in various areas of town in rotation .... a special collection time for whatever would not fit in the regular trash can & it was quite common for students and other to roam the roads at night (collection being early morning) and take away whatever they fancied from what people would put out for collection which they didn't want anymore

...now, I don't live in the same area, so the rules are a bit different, we have to phone a special number and they tell us which day and hour to take out our oversized trash (as in bed, sofa, old appliances ....) ... BUT I just found out that in the next "quartier" (of the same town !!!) they DO have monthly regular dates for oversized refuse ... can't remember what they call it over here though ....& never thought to ask, just found out by reading a notice on the ground floor of a block of flats when I went to visit a friend ....
post #14 of 19
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I'm going to have to bring you a huge care package when we move! These are things that just somehow slip below Dad's radar (although he'll be thrilled to find a place to get appliances and things cheap!). I'm so grateful for your expertise.

I'm on the fly this morning, but in brief, our nearest town of any size will be Rodez, about 40 minutes away. Villefranche-de-Rouergue is a small town but serves as the shopping center of the region and apparently has three enormous supermarkets with a second Leclerk going in this Fall. We're hoping eventually to buy property in that town as we're going to start a tourism business and want guest accomodations that have resturants close by. Dad's village is tiny and rural and about 20 mins from V-de-R (so tiny he must tell the post mistress if he is planning to get a package...she'll also run errands! Sounds charming!). We'll check it out in September when we're there, but I think we'll aim for living right in the town or close enough that we can bike there.

We'll also be 90 minutes from Toulouse, but we'll be there almost weekly to pick up guests from the airport, so I can get shopping done there, too. There's an IKEA in Toulouse, so I know I can get basic furnishings (and they have a business program so that I can furnish our guest accomodations there too when we get to that point).

Oh my, we are all so excited to think we'll be doing this!
post #15 of 19
We also have a chain of second hand shops called Cameleon. I usually find great stuff in there for my kids.

The word brocante is used here alot to mean second hand furniture although it also means antiques so you have to check out the place to see which it is.

C&A have good sales but some stuff there I find expensive.
Kiabi has good quality kids stuff but the adult clothing I bought there only lasted a few months before I had to get rid of it.
H&M
Le Halle-also has shoe stores

Here there are vide greniers (yard sales) organized by the various little towns. It is usually town wide in a public space and the happen in May/early June and late Aug/early Sept.

paruvendu.fr-free weekly classifieds apaper that also has a website. WE ahve found and sold things through this.

leboncoin.fr is another one. In my area of France it is less active. But we found bikes through it.
post #16 of 19
also the Emmaus here has great furniture
Salvation Army-Armée du Salut (not totally sure on spelling) also good
post #17 of 19
My friend is swedish and has a 4 year old who they only recently put forward facing. If you need more info I can ask her if they bought the seat here or in Sweden.
post #18 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thanks, Bellabaz! I'd love to know where your friend got her car seat.

I'm having real trouble finding out simply which seats are legal to use in France (or in the US for that matter, but here, becuase we're so isolated, it's just a matter of assuming that if you can buy it here, it's legal here). I'm unclear if the regulations are by country or EU-wide...so, if I cross a border into Germany and buy a car seat there, can I bring it back into France and use it legally? If that's so, it's easy....I'll just buy Swedish seats.

Maybe I'll contact the US embassy when we're there to see if they can help. Surely I'm not the only parent with this question!

Love the info about second-hand things. JUST what we're looking for.

Many thanks!

Another question: I've read that compulsory schooling in France begins at 6. Do parents have the option of delaying a child by a year? My son is an August baby and he'll be 6 this August. I'm doing a second year of Kindy with him. We're thinking of placing the kids in school there for a year so that they get a full-immersion French education...we'd then go back to homeschooling. Do you think I'd have problems registering my 7-year-old as a first-year student?
post #19 of 19
schooling ... I should not think you would get a problem registering your son with a class one year younger than he is .... you have something in your favor; coming from abroad/another schooling system & speaking another language therefore there are reasons why you might not wish to do like everybody else

... on the other hand it very much depends on the school you'll be, I mean some teachers are very understanding and accepting of difference ... and some are rather rigid with set views ... if really you'll be in the middle of nowhere, the school should be rather small (some rural schools only have one class for all 5 grades of elementary school) and therefore the teacher used to adapating to individual needs ....

for practising languages, I've not used it myself but I've heard of this below
http://fr-fr.livemocha.com/
apparently there's stuff you can practice for free beside the fee paying stuff ...
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