6% retention of Plastibell

[brant31]

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Journal of Pediatric Urology (2010) 6, 23-27,
Bode, C.O. et al: Penile Injuries from Proximal Migration of the Plastibell Circumcision Ring

Journal of Pediatric Urology (2010) 6, 28-31
Samad, A. et al: Plastibell Circumcision: A Minor Surgical Procedure of Major Importance

[Pumpkinheadmommy]

Wow. And people like to claim this method is so risk-free.

[glongley]

Where does the "6%" rate claim come in? I don't see that mentioned in the abstract. If only boys with retained plastibells were studied, and we don't know the number of total boys circumcised in the total population, or the number of that total that specifically had the Plastibell procedure, it would not be possible to establish an overall rate of this complication.

[brant31]

Sorry about that. I had 2 similar recent article abstracts that I was going to post here, and started off with the title for one but got distracted and posted the details of the other.

[PotreroHill]

And to think that all of those complications are preventable simply by not having unnecessary surgery done...

It is just so sad

[A&A]

Originally Posted by PotreroHill

And to think that all of those complications are preventable simply by not having unnecessary surgery done...

It is just so sad

[brant31]

It is unfortunate that many who express concern about possible foreskin problems fail to understand that the complication rate from circumcision is much higher and of a more serious nature.

[Fellow Traveler]

Do you know how many boys were involved in this research?

[Pirogi]

God, that is so wrong. So very, very wrong.

I may have to take a break from reading things like this for a while. Pregnancy and genital mutilation statistics don't mix.

[brant31]

Originally Posted by Fellow Traveler

Do you know how many boys were involved in this research?

I believe the Samad study involved 1,223 boys, from the following data.

Age group --- Plastibell impaction rate
1 year or less --- 28/988 (2.81%)
More than 1 year --- 47/235 (20%)

[serendipity22]

Circumcision is the world’s oldest known planned, and yet the most controversial, surgical procedure.

Ive seen this posted many times in pro-circ articles.

Circumcision as surgery started in the 1800s. Prior to that it was not surgery.

[2xy]

Originally Posted by serendipity22

Ive seen this posted many times in pro-circ articles.

Circumcision as surgery started in the 1800s. Prior to that it was not surgery.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. The way I see it, it's still not surgery. Surgery, by definition, treats disease or deformity. Circumcision is a modification or mutilation.

[jenP]

My dictionary says "surgery" is simply cutting out or removing something from the body with instruments, usually to treat a problem. (note: not always to treat a problem.)
By that definition, circumcision always has been and still is surgery.

Perhaps some people don't like to call it surgery because they think that gives it an air of acceptability, all modern and medical and all?
Personally, I make sure to point out that it IS surgery, because I think it drives home the point that they are cutting away an integral part of the body. So many people truly think the foreskin is just a tiny little flap of superfluous skin that is quickly clipped off. Like maybe a skin tag, or something. But no, it is actually surgery. Very serious, and very severe.

Jen

[2xy]

I don't like to call it surgery because a foreskin is not a "problem."

People take surgery far too lightly nowadays. Look how many people get liposuction and facelifts. I think the word mutilation is far more appropriate for cirumcision. Just my opinion.

[jenP]

Sure, we all use whatever words we feel are most persuasive, descriptive, and effective to the situation when we are discussing circumcision. But my point is, it DOES fit the definition of surgery. It also fits the definition "to cut up or alter radically so as to make imperfect." Use whatever word you want. But for someone to go around saying it is NOT surgery - or that it somehow became surgery on a certain date - is just inaccurate.

Jen