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post #41 of 53
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It's the 30 minutes or so after that when I just don't have the time, he starts to cry and I try to stay calm, but sometimes end up getting angry (and yelling or raising my voice). I always end up feeding him, in the end.
This sounds like a problem to me. If you didn't resent it and it never caused issues, I would say...well, I would never do it myself, bc it would make me nuts, but to each her own.

However, if the above is what is going down, that does not sound good. You are saying no and then giving in after getting mad and him freaking out. I have done this MANY times myself, mind you, but I don't think it's a good pattern at all. Either be willing to do it 100% of the time and do so gracefully or decide that you are done with this and stop the practice.
post #42 of 53
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Originally Posted by loraxc View Post
This sounds like a problem to me. If you didn't resent it and it never caused issues, I would say...well, I would never do it myself, bc it would make me nuts, but to each her own.

However, if the above is what is going down, that does not sound good. You are saying no and then giving in after getting mad and him freaking out. I have done this MANY times myself, mind you, but I don't think it's a good pattern at all. Either be willing to do it 100% of the time and do so gracefully or decide that you are done with this and stop the practice.
OP, after all I`ve said, I do agree with this post. If it`s not something you want to do and it`s causing grief all around, you may have to choose your camp. Feed all the time, have him start on his own and then you finish (kinda 50-50) or not spoon feed at all. This tug of war doesn`t sound all that happy for either of you.

PS: does your son go to school yet. how does he do there. i`ve known kids (mine included) to behave or do things absolutely competently when mom isn`t there.
post #43 of 53
well......... my 4.5 yo asks me to feed him all the time.
sometimes, i'm just too busy and when I say "I CAN'T right now, you NEED to feed yourself, " he usually gets the picture and feeds himself. Sometimes he'll whine a couple of times more. If he really keeps asking, then I will just feed him.... while I'm running around the kitchen cleaning up.

Reading this thread, I realize how normal this really is.
DH is ADAMANT that ds1 can feed himself... but he sometimes relents and will feed ds.
otoh, ds2 who is 19 mo insists on feeding himself with fork and spoon, drinking from a regular cup himself, etc.

feed him a bite... wipe down half the table.... feed him another bite.... wipe down the counter.
Looking back, and reading this thread, I now realize he just needs more time with me when he asks.....
when I feed him a bite, he just sits in his chair, watching me while he chews... the same kind of face his father (DH) would stare at me when we first started dating.

when ds1 was 3.5, my mom went down to the kitchen very early one morning... and found him sitting very quietly at the table.... eating a large slice of chocolate cake with a tall glass of milk. LOL.
Procuring this slice entailed pushing the learning tower very quietly about 4 feet from the center of the kitchen (was positioned against the counter), lifting a very heavy lid off of the glass cake stand and placing it very quietly on a granite counter, slicing off a piece cleanly, replacing the lid very quietly. Then pouring his own milk.

on my job daily, i'm reminded how lucky i am to have two very healthy kiddos. And you know, Ds1 soon won't need me for any of the little things.
....i guess i am really okay with feeding him.....
and lying down with him at night...'til he falls asleep.
post #44 of 53
[QUOTE=Heavenly;15555193]I don't see being a parent as catering to my child's every whim. If they cry for 3 hours its because they are CHOOSING to do so. [QUOTE]

i guess i wouldn't want my child to cry for 3 h. Esp. if there was anyway that I could prevent it, esp if easy. I would hate for something to happen to my child, and my last memory of our time together was me refusing to do something simple and him having a 3 h cry.
post #45 of 53
I'd give him the food, let him eat what he wants and clear what he doesn't eat. He will likely not starve himself and missing a meal because he's waiting for you to feed him won't hurt.
post #46 of 53
Thread Starter 
*UPDATE* After reading through all of the replies and taking some time to really think about this, I came to a decision. There are many points of view on this, but I've decided that ds really needs me, and if feeding him (when I can) makes things happy in my house, that is what I will do. There are sometimes weeks between when he wants me to feed him, though sometimes it's every day. After giving it some more thought, it does seem to happen more often when he's not feeling 100%.

Someone asked if he goes to school, and he does go to pre-k. He eats just fine there and doesn't ask to be fed.

So, I will feed him when he needs me to, but I will also let him know that when I'm really busy, he will have to feed himself. I'm sure I can make the time, more often than not. Most likely, he will not be wanting me to feed him by the time he is in kindergarten, so I am just going to cherish him being my "baby" and not worry about the rest.
post #47 of 53
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Originally Posted by Bri'sgirl View Post
*UPDATE* After reading through all of the replies and taking some time to really think about this, I came to a decision. There are many points of view on this, but I've decided that ds really needs me, and if feeding him (when I can) makes things happy in my house, that is what I will do. There are sometimes weeks between when he wants me to feed him, though sometimes it's every day. After giving it some more thought, it does seem to happen more often when he's not feeling 100%.

Someone asked if he goes to school, and he does go to pre-k. He eats just fine there and doesn't ask to be fed.

So, I will feed him when he needs me to, but I will also let him know that when I'm really busy, he will have to feed himself. I'm sure I can make the time, more often than not. Most likely, he will not be wanting me to feed him by the time he is in kindergarten, so I am just going to cherish him being my "baby" and not worry about the rest.
Well, you're probably right that he'll probably be done with this phase by K, but I'm the exception.

My dd is almost 6.5 y.o., and I still need to frequently feed her. (Yep, that's me, the coward who didn't speak up while everyone was saying it's not normal to feed a 4 year old.)

Random strangers at the restaurants often come up and complement me about what a "good eater", my dd is because they see her eating lots of veggies enthusiastically. Hah!

That's because I offer it to her, spoonful by spoonful. Yes, it is not unusual to find me spoon feeding my 6 y.o. I give her a bite, then she chews and swallows and immediately opens her mouth very wide, ready for more. In fact, if I am not paying attention and don't notice that she is ready for her next bite, she often grabs hold of my arm and steers the spoon, still in my hand, to her mouth!

And yet if I put the spoon next to the plate and expect her to feed the veggies to herself, she will just sit there and 30 minutes then 60 minutes will just pass by with nary a bite. I hate to use the word lazy, but my only conclusion is that although my dd is perfectly happy to eat unpopular healthy veggies, she is too lazy (or otherwise unwilling) to use her own hands to transport the food from the plate to her mouth. Part of it might be that she doesn't like to get her hands messy, so she doesn't want to run the risk of touching food.

I don't really know why she's like this, but it really doesn't matter. But I only have this one child, so I just feed her if I notice that she is not touching her food and keep a sense of humor, because when I think about it, it's pretty funny. (If I had more than one child, I'm sure I would go crazy and probably put my foot down due to lack of time.) For me, it's faster this way, and her diet is healthier this way. I'm not worried at all, and I'll feed her for as long as she wishes, I guess.

Needless to say, my dd is perfectly able to manage feeding herself things like ice cream, cake, pies, etc. in a timely manner.

She just finished full day K, and they only have 20 minutes to eat. I have no idea how she manages it, but she often does manage to eat her packed lunch.
post #48 of 53
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Originally Posted by Bri'sgirl View Post
*UPDATE* After reading through all of the replies and taking some time to really think about this, I came to a decision. There are many points of view on this, but I've decided that ds really needs me, and if feeding him (when I can) makes things happy in my house, that is what I will do. There are sometimes weeks between when he wants me to feed him, though sometimes it's every day. After giving it some more thought, it does seem to happen more often when he's not feeling 100%.

Someone asked if he goes to school, and he does go to pre-k. He eats just fine there and doesn't ask to be fed.

So, I will feed him when he needs me to, but I will also let him know that when I'm really busy, he will have to feed himself. I'm sure I can make the time, more often than not. Most likely, he will not be wanting me to feed him by the time he is in kindergarten, so I am just going to cherish him being my "baby" and not worry about the rest.
bri - i havent read the rest of your replies. but i wanted to share this with you.

i live in the US now but i am from asia.

some of my happy memories are of family feeding me. my most happiest memories of my gpa is him feeding me when i was what 10. he fed me off and on and when we went to spend our summers with him i looked forward to him feeding me till he passed when i was like 14.

i carry on that tradition with my dd. she is almost 8 and its just her and me. with her i dont see feeding her as spoiling but as another way of connecting. she still sits on my lap and i feed her sometimes. in fact we do that most days. saves on cleaning dishes as we eat out of the same dish together. of course competition is rife and if i look like i am enjoying my bite, she wants me to feed her my next fingerfull or forkfull.

my dd's younger days were spent caught between wanting to be a baby and a grown up at the same time. she has gone through phases when she needed to be babied. i have noticed those usually happened when she was going thru an emotional growth spurt. i have dressed her, fed her, packed her bag for her... all of which she was capable of doing.

but i could see the need behind the request. coming from a single coparenting family life is hard on her emotionally. so i do everything to meet her emotional needs.

today the baby comes up very rarely. instead i see her wanting to be more grown up. and so i allow her to do things that other kids dont do at that age. for instance - with me in close supervision, she would make a full breakfast when she was 6 1/2 - usually a veggie omlete which she would make from scratch including cutting the veggies with a sharp knife. somedays i'd be hand feeding her the omlette she had made.

when i go home to visit my mom, we still cosleep and then on some days my mom still hand feeds her 45 year old daughter. because i am immersed in some legal document i am helping her with and she doesnt want me to miss lunch or eat part of a lunch.

hey once in a while our roles change and my dd feeds ME. in fact some nights when i struggle to sleep she reads to ME!!!!
post #49 of 53
Some small advice, since it does not seem to be sensory-related (that was my first guess, but if he is OK at school, it's probably not sensory but more about having you be with him). Make it a game. You do one spoonful, he does the next. Get the coolest dang spoon you can find. Make a special holder for it on the table or something like that. Make rewards for each bite he does himself, like have him do little stamps on a piece of paper for each bite he gives himself. If he gets 5 stamps, he gets something at the end of the meal. It will take some time, but I think if you are patient and build rewards & expectations into it he will get used to doing it himself. This will probably take up less of your time in the long run if it gets him to be independent. I have a kid w/special needs who is not very independent and a 4yo without special needs but who thinks she should have everything done for her because we do it for her brother. I've needed to do a lot of this kind of rewarding for her. And I do not balk at M&Ms.
post #50 of 53
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Originally Posted by emilysmama View Post

That's because I offer it to her, spoonful by spoonful. Yes, it is not unusual to find me spoon feeding my 6 y.o. I give her a bite, then she chews and swallows and immediately opens her mouth very wide, ready for more. In fact, if I am not paying attention and don't notice that she is ready for her next bite, she often grabs hold of my arm and steers the spoon, still in my hand, to her mouth!

And yet if I put the spoon next to the plate and expect her to feed the veggies to herself, she will just sit there and 30 minutes then 60 minutes will just pass by with nary a bite. I hate to use the word lazy, but my only conclusion is that although my dd is perfectly happy to eat unpopular healthy veggies, she is too lazy (or otherwise unwilling) to use her own hands to transport the food from the plate to her mouth. Part of it might be that she doesn't like to get her hands messy, so she doesn't want to run the risk of touching food.
If this is just a preference for the two of you, than more power to you. But, I wanted to very gently suggest that it sounds like she may have sensory issues, and she might benefit from some occupational therapy. It might be worth reading up on sensory integration disorder a little online, and considering if her dislike of getting her hands dirty is interfering with her life in other ways. I think it would be frustrating to need someone else to hold your spoon (which is what it sounds like, since she's moving your arm to get the spoon in her mouth). Have you ever asked her why she doesn't feed herself? At 6 1/2 you may just get shrug, but you also may get a complete explanation.
post #51 of 53
Never mind.
post #52 of 53
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Originally Posted by Bri'sgirl View Post
*UPDATE* After reading through all of the replies and taking some time to really think about this, I came to a decision. There are many points of view on this, but I've decided that ds really needs me, and if feeding him (when I can) makes things happy in my house, that is what I will do. There are sometimes weeks between when he wants me to feed him, though sometimes it's every day. After giving it some more thought, it does seem to happen more often when he's not feeling 100%.

Someone asked if he goes to school, and he does go to pre-k. He eats just fine there and doesn't ask to be fed.

So, I will feed him when he needs me to, but I will also let him know that when I'm really busy, he will have to feed himself. I'm sure I can make the time, more often than not. Most likely, he will not be wanting me to feed him by the time he is in kindergarten, so I am just going to cherish him being my "baby" and not worry about the rest.
I'm sure he will feel more secure and need your help less and less as time goes on. That's how a lot of kids work, when they know for sure you got their backs and you'll help them feel safe whenever they ask, they are more independent and secure later in life.
post #53 of 53
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Originally Posted by meemee View Post

i live in the US now but i am from asia...

...hey once in a while our roles change and my dd feeds ME. in fact some nights when i struggle to sleep she reads to ME!!!!
Coming from someone who still feeds their 4yr 3 mo ds their dinner just about every night, I really appreciated hearing this story meemee, that's lovely

While ds has some sensory issues that I'm sure are contributing to his wanting me to feed him, I've never seen it as an issue. Like the need for other things have, I assume that the need will pass with time.

OP, sounds like you've made peace with your situation, and I think it's perfectly fine to say you can't feed your dc when you're busy. I do make ds wait sometimes too if I'm busy. And to those with more than one child and many other responsibilities, I take my hat off to you, and yeah, absolutely I understand why you might need your kids to feed themselves, so you work toward that.

For us, it works, ds eats enough healthy stuff, we're all happy, so eh, I feed him! And if I'm doing it when he's 6, eh! If I'm doing it every night when he's 16, well then... we'll deal with that when we get there!!!
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