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go "back home" to visit...how to make it healing/healthy as possible? long, rambly, but really...

post #1 of 17
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I am not even sure what to write in here, there is so much backlog but I'llt ry to encapsulate it....basically my dh, dd(4 months old) and I are going "back home" for a visit for the first time in three years. We did not even have our families at our wedding because of how compelx it started becoming....We both have a lot of "issues" with our families and living on the opposite coast has been good for us.

Some hisory: I recently had a very traumatic birth and immediate postpartum period with my dd which caused at least many symptoms of PTSD...I've been having some EDMR therapy and counselling which ended up bringing up a bunch opf buried memories of some childhood extremes and has led me to realize my mother probably is bipolar (though I'm not about to tell her this/label her to anyone else, and my therapist said she can't diagnose her BUt she sounds this way) and did indeed emotionally abuse me as a child...some of the things I have remembered are quite extreme and disturbing as well. That said, we have a somewhat respectful/non hostile relationship now...except...she can't really let me go/grow up (I am the oldest of trhee girls and my sisters are still teens and at home). She tends to speak for me and tell me who/how I am. This drives me nuts...she also tends to still go into emotional rages or out of control freak-outs quit often, and I'm afraid she might do this in my and dd's presence (calling my sisters names etc.) also, my entire family gets into this...state... where they banter back and forth all this really hostile criticism and inappropriate stuff (like details about everyone's bowel movements etc.) and the only defense is to deflect the topc to someone else... they almost seem to get "high" off it. I am concerned they'll start in on me...and maybe since I've kind of been having flashbacks of stuff I'm afraid that will happen in their company....

I have taken steps over and over to make boundaries and this has improved things. Like I won't get between my mom and teenage sis or mom and grandmother any more and be the "rescuer" and lately they have stopped asking. I share far less personal info with them, though still more than I want...and as for our trip the measures we are taing are making and itinerary and telling my family that we are available these days/times etc. Otherwise they will expect to spend the entire time with us and that ups the chance of yucky yucky drama and fights. We are also not staying with my family, and we are renting a car despite the expense....despite this I know stuff will come up. What language can I use to avoid useless arguments and blow ups (mom is SUPER reactive/defensive etc.), how can I find my voice and try to be separate from the UNIT that my family is without being totally distant? How can I capitalize on their strengths?

I decided when I realized all this about how disturbed my mom was that if I continue to have issues with depression/anxiety I will consider meds for myself even while bf because I will NOt do that to my daughter. I was afraid of my mother growing up...se was like too people, but even the "nice" her is basically the manic her about to swing back to depressed/raging any minute.

I just recently realzied I don't even know what I LIKE or WANT in many ways because I have spent so long trying to please my parents (esp. mom) who has told me who I am and said certain interests are not ok etc. and I have bought into it...and I also have felt my whole family mom in particular would fall apart if I stepped too much otuside my role...so though I'm not actively rescuing anymore, I am still ina holding pattern and I want to break out of it at least somewhat for this trip, forever. I need to be ME relating to THEM, not just part of the family relating to itself in icky ways that make me literally feel suicidal and extremely anxious, I also want a new legacy for dd. Anyway, I know this won't all happen in one trip, but it needs to begin now, continue through the trip and beyond. I also realized I have never let msyelf be a child/teenager in so many ways.

How do I cope with a mom who is enmeshed with me, how do I deal with something as simple as her saying I'll barely get to hold dd (she is/can be super loving at times but it is still tainted with control/fear etc.) I am not comfortable with that much closeness. How can I be WITH my family without being part of the drama, even a passive part? I have so many more questions too but just pick any piece of this and respond. I am SOOOO stressed about this trip. I lvoe/hate them all so much!
post #2 of 17
I would wait awhile before going back. You need time to heal before putting yourself in a emotionally harmful situation. When you are strong enough to not get emotional or hurt by your mothers actions and words, then you can go. Until then it will only be like pulling a scab off of a not yet healed wound. You cannot change her, only your reaction to her.
post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 
unfortunately, the tickets were booked a while agoi and are non refundable, otherwise I would be following this advice. I have also promised this trip for over a year... if the tickets could be talen back maybe I would. We leave in a month and it is for a week.
post #4 of 17
OK, then you have to rise above the drama. Emotionally distance yourself from anything anyone has to say. Tune out all the drama. You have to not care what your family thinks of you. Adhere to your own agenda. Do not feel guilty about not doing or being what they want. There is a real healing power when you realize it's their problem, not yours. REfuse to buy into their opinions about you, and do not engage them in debates or try to defend the things you do. Let it all go, and don't take anything personally, remember it is their problem.

In my own life, if my stomach hurts when I am around people, I learn to stay away from them. If I have to be with people I don't like, I smile and completely tune them out. I don't owe anyone anything, including grandparents who love my children, but treat me like dirt.
post #5 of 17
Yes, I agree with pp. Just try to stay focused on your DD and try to not let anything they do bother you. Remember that this is only a visit, and thankfully you will leave soon.
post #6 of 17
I think I would just make myself a promise that I can and will walk out the door with DH and DD if any of it gets to be more than I can handle. Good luck and hugs to you, you can do this.
post #7 of 17
Thread Starter 
thank you to allthe pp's. It is just so overwhelming to think of being in it agan kwim? has anyone used any kind of mantra or affirmation? or partiular language to rise above it better? esp when people are getting in your face or asking too much [ersonal info? Do you just literally leave if a freak out happens?
post #8 of 17
I have never had the guts to actually walk out, but just knowing I had the option helped me keep it together.

My mantra (that I would actually say out loud as a response): I don't want to talk about that right now, please change the subject.
post #9 of 17
First off, congratulations on coming to grips with the abuse your mom put you through. And stopping the cycle of abuse!

If I were you I would plan an exit strategy in advance and think of some good excuses. This is where having a 4 mo comes in handy! If things get ugly, you can just claim that your DD is tired and bail. Don't worry about defending yourself and certainly don't worry about making anyone mad. You're not going to change any of these people, but you can protect yourself from further abuse by removing yourself from the situation.

And I highly recommend you check out the book Parenting from the Inside Out by Daniel Siegel and Mary Hartzell. It helped me a lot. Good luck!
post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by miami mommy View Post
If things get ugly, you can just claim that your DD is tired and bail.
I like that. Very diplomatic!
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by doulawoman View Post
Do you just literally leave if a freak out happens?
I think yes. I mean not for good, just get up and leave the room, even if it means going outside for a drive or a walk.
post #12 of 17
To keep yourself out of the nastiness you could spend some time now finding a meditative state where you are completely comfortable with who you are, and completely in tune with yourself. Then if you do become involved with feelings that cause you to freak out a little you can retreat to the bathroom for a few minutes, and bring yourself to the conscious awareness of who you are, by meditation.
hope that makes sense.

And I like the pp-ers idea of simply leaving, and saying your dd is tired.
post #13 of 17
Thread Starter 
I can;t figure out how to quote more than one person...but I like the phrase "I don't want to talk about it ca we change the subject" I have to give myself permission to do that, and be ok with repeating myself and everyone looking at me like I just spoke a foreign language...

Yes, dd could be a good excuse to leave I suppose, though if she very obviously is aving a good time...? then what?

I like the idea of trying to get more meditative and in touch with myself before we go... and I am super interested in the book "parenting from the inside out"

right now I just really want to heal and not rub salt in the wound...

When I'm with my family it\s very chaotic...my sisters bounce around ver hyperactively, everyone talks very fast and over each other, jabs are conbstantly exchanged and millions of questions fired, and people are mercilessly criticized, even so called "friends" and this is in a "good" moment! It makes me dizzy...I suppose I can just give myself permission to step out frequently for these "smaller" things and just leave for the major drama. I know my family though and I know they will ask a ton of questions "oh, are you grumpy? aren't you feeling well"" etc. etc. and likely follow me out... no one is really allowed to deviate from the script...is this when I would say I don't want to talk about it, change the subject? I guess I am just preparing myself for the whole "change back now!" behavior from them. They wil be very trheatened by me even stepping out for a moment. I guess just grit my teeth and bear it?
post #14 of 17
You are 4 months post-partum--heck, you could claim that *you're* tired and bail
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by doulawoman View Post
thank you to allthe pp's. It is just so overwhelming to think of being in it agan kwim? has anyone used any kind of mantra or affirmation? or partiular language to rise above it better? esp when people are getting in your face or asking too much [ersonal info? Do you just literally leave if a freak out happens?
It can be overwhelming.

I have a mental list of one-liners I use to deflect criticism. Breastfeeding support literature (don't have anything specific at my fingertips, but it's out there) is full of ideas--from "my doctor says..." to "pass the bean dip." It's sometimes cheesy or contrived, but it still works.

I do literally pick up and leave. I've done it multiple times with my family. They've been stunned into civility every time!
post #16 of 17
oh gosh. That sounds like a difficult situation. A couple of things have popped into my head while reading your posts & skimming the PP's
1- have several generic phrases you can use "I'm not comfortable discussing that," "Let's not discuss this right now" a good friend is a fan of "oh" (which can be said in many different tones but yet says actually nothing) "well, that's not a very nice thing to say now is it (name)?" said in a very "teachery" tone
2- can you have your therapist on speed dial? Just in case things get overwhelming you can have a phone session? or have several people you can call and get "re-centered" when needed (let them know in advance that you may call and why)
3- be a united front with DH. decompress with each other at the end of the day (this is SUPER important)
4- have a key phrase/behavior that signals DH that either of you want to leave NOW
5- UNIT is an apt description. Expect the negative behavior to escalate (towards you) in response to your "new" self. They will want to punish you for leaving the group/changing the dynamic. There is nothing you can do to change it but to expect it, identify it when it's happening, rise above, emotionally detach, and if needed, walk away.
6- do NOT be afraid to leave. Your first priority is to your FAMILY, and your family is you, DH, and DD...Everyone else comes 2nd. No explanation necessary (and whatever explanation you give will not be "good enough" anyways)
7- as for the depression...I have found that a combo of fish oil, B complex, and Folic acid is extremely helpful. That is what kept me off depression medication. There have been studies (don't remember links) that show that when women are depressed they are typically lacking in one or any combination of those three.
8- I think it's great that you are limiting your time commitment to them... also might want to make sure you engage in LOTS of "Self Care" while there....plan and follow through on doing things just for you (pick up a book, get a pedicure, go have coffee by yourself, etc)

I applaud you.... really. I wish you peace and growth.
post #17 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thank you everyone. I will let you know how it goes. I am reading "Women's moods" and a book about family dynamics to prepare myself -three weeks to go. Hopefully I can see it as a healthy challenge and not just a time of extreme stress.

I like the idea of the key phrases and the signal to DH though he doesn't get why I wouldn't just say "Let's go" he doesn't get how invasive my family is...think big fat greek wedding but sometimes more icky/abusive. I hope I can extract the love from these people who DO love her so much (my mom actually came to help at 6 weeks pp after my c section at my request and she lives on the opposite coast. It was actually fairly ok because the new baby and my limited availablity to socialize -i was on bedrest for bleeding- keep issues at bay) my mom and granmother also made her a quailt that is gorgeoues etc.

I just know they all expect me to slip back into my role... I will have to spend a lot of energy being aware of myself not to do that... and just be willing not to sacrifice my own well being (and therefore my dd's) to avoid an erruption of conflict.
thank you all for the support. Not sure I can have my therapist on speed dial but I will investigate...if not her then a good friend perhaps.
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