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2010 Pertussis outbreak

post #1 of 53
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I just saw this on the mainstream news yesterday (don't ask me why I even listened to it - I hate the mainstream news) that there is an outbreak of pertussis (I think mainly in CA), and of course, I've read articles where the "antivaxers" are to blame. What do you guys feel about this when they blame those who choose not to vaccinate on these outbreaks? I can foresee these "outbreaks" happening over and over again and the govt choosing to make vaccines mandatory for everyone.
post #2 of 53
If you do a search of Whooping cough or Pertussis outbreak, there are a bunch that come up. CA, TX, east coast etc. You will see stories that "whooping cough is coming back, so vaccinate yourself to protect your baby" stuff.
As far as them blaming non vaxers, the news will almost always make it out to be the non vaxers who are spreading the disease, yet in most cases, the percent is spread out-but of course they will not report that, because it would cause an uproar about the vaccine not working.
When you look at the percent effective rate of the Pertussis vaccine, it's no wonder the disease never really went away. Think about how many adults or children have lingering coughs, and dr's generally do not test for Pertussis, especially in a child if they've had the vaccine for it.
post #3 of 53
I am just getting over a case for the second time in 5 years. I was terrified to go around children because you never know who is vacs and who isn't.

I have no heard of anyone blaming non-vac people. What I have heard (in the medical community) is blaming the longevity of the vaccine. It lasts about 25 years so old folks like me (LOL 42) are now able to get it and pass it on to those who aren't vaccinated against it. The rub is.. if you choose not to vaccinate your children and you bring them in public - you really are taking a huge risk. Most adults who get pertussis don't even know, it's just a nasty cough for adults. For babies... they can die.

I plan on getting revaccinated as soon as the cough is fully gone.
post #4 of 53
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Originally Posted by SpottedFoxx View Post
I am just getting over a case for the second time in 5 years. I was terrified to go around children because you never know who is vacs and who isn't.

I have no heard of anyone blaming non-vac people. What I have heard (in the medical community) is blaming the longevity of the vaccine. It lasts about 25 years so old folks like me (LOL 42) are now able to get it and pass it on to those who aren't vaccinated against it. The rub is.. if you choose not to vaccinate your children and you bring them in public - you really are taking a huge risk. Most adults who get pertussis don't even know, it's just a nasty cough for adults. For babies... they can die.

I plan on getting revaccinated as soon as the cough is fully gone.
I'm so confused about this... if having the actual illness doesn't give you immunity, how would the vaccine?

The news and the mainstream doctors that I spend time around absolutely blame people who don't vax for outbreaks. It seems that they have not read the rates of who has contracted the disease and who hasn't, as vaccinated people often are the majority of the cases. Just expect a bigger push in marketing and at the doctor's offices for why everyone should be getting a booster.
post #5 of 53
Ammiga, not always. I have a chronic disease which makes me more susceptible to certain diseases. The vaccine would definitely boost my immunity (both times, it's been very mild - only when I started to bark like a seal did we realize what was going on) but there wouldn't be a guarantee.
post #6 of 53
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I think what it boils down to is propaganda. They are putting the scare tactic in on everyone again like they did with the H1N1 so everyone will all go out and get vaccinated. I've been seeing all types of marketing for the past year on how adults and babies should get the pertussis vaccine, and now all the sudden, CA is in an epidemic of pertussis. Just strikes me as too coincendental.

You know what really ticks me off the most? Did you ever see the mainstream media just once touch on a story about vaccine-injured children, or children that have died from vaccines? No, and we never will. We will, however, continue to see the outbreaks announced etc, only trying to make us who choose not to vaccinate seem like we're wrong for choosing so. So terribly annoying. We have to continue to stand up for what we believe and not let them knock us down!
post #7 of 53
Barking like a seal sounds more like croup to me... whooping cough is not barking, AFAIK. Of course I could be wrong. I think, also, that once a person has had croup... like in childhood, they are more likely to get it again and again. To me, that sounds more like what you had. Did you cough for 3 months? Whooping cough lasts 3 months, usually.
post #8 of 53
Did anyone else see the commercial they had about a star saying how bad whooping cough was?

I was wondering what the big deal about it was and don't see how a vaccine can magically prevent you from coughing really bad.
post #9 of 53
And the other thing is, the vaccine does NOT prevent transmission, so how would an adult getting vaccinated help a baby?

The vaccine is only 50-60% effective, btw...
post #10 of 53
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Originally Posted by mom0810 View Post
I know that whooping cough and croup sound similar. That's why many kids (VACCINATED KIDS) who have croup actually have wc but are never tested because "it couldn't possibly be wc--she's vaccinated!". The wc vaccine is notoriously ineffective... 60% MAYBE at best... and there are SO many cases of it that go undiagnosed because they arent' severe or they are in people who are vaccinated so doctors assume it's not wc.
When DH was in college a cough made it's way around...everyone got diagnosed with croup. However, later research (by us) discovered it was probably WC. People were coughing hard enough to throw up, one girl fractured a rib, and it ran it's course TWICE with most people. But everyone had to be up to date on vaxes to get into college...so no one considered it.
post #11 of 53
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Sadly enough, my mom grew up with someone with polio and she got polio from the vaccine itself. I've seen far too many times where a child is vaccinated and winds up developing the very same disease they were injected to prevent.

My brother had a horrible reaction to the DPT vaccine when he was younger. He could have died. He's okay but he was fighting with a learning disability shortly thereafter.

There's a risk with everything. You're taking a risk whether you vaccinate and whether you don't, but honestly, I think you have a better fighting chance to fight illnesses if you are not continuously knocking down your immune system with vaccines over and over again. Why do that to a healthy baby? I would never let my child eat formaldehyde and aluminum, so why would I have it injected into his bloodstream. That's my view on this.

The irony of it all is that you say you could give pertussis to an infant...well, the vaccine is said to not even be completely effective until they are 6 months old, so in that case, all infants are suseptible to pertussis. And even at 6 months, that vaccine is not very effective at all. My husband's sister got WC as a baby and she was vaccinated for it, so I'd rather take the chance that my son won't get it at all rather than inject it directly into him!
post #12 of 53
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Sadly enough, I did know someone with polio and she got polio from the vaccine itself. I've seen far too many times where a child is vaccinated and winds up developing the very same disease they were injected to prevent.

My brother had a horrible reaction to the DPT vaccine when he was younger. He could have died. He's okay but he was fighting with a learning disability shortly thereafter.

There's a risk with everything. You're taking a risk whether you vaccinate and whether you don't, but honestly, I think you have a better fighting chance to fight illnesses if you are not continuously knocking down your immune system with vaccines over and over again. Why do that to a healthy baby? I would never let my chld eat formaldehyde and aluminum, so why would I have it injected into his bloodstream. That's my view on this.
Thank you for this response. It makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, those are in our everyday life and our children come in contact with them without use realizing it. Did you know that a large percentage of liquid makeup (foundation primarily) has formaldehyde. A great number of anti-perspirates have aluminum. We're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't.
post #13 of 53
If you have pertussis then you would know to stay away from any such children/babies, though, right? I mean, if you take responsibility for your health then you know if you are sick that you have to stay away from babies and children with fragile immune systems, no?
post #14 of 53
And yes, we are exposed to these things in everyday life. In small quantities. I, for one, did not wear any deodorant when my very small babies were nursing in order to prevent aluminum absorption in my breast tissue that could have affected them.

Also, since our environment IS full of these toxins, it does make sense not to inject MORE of them into our bloodstreams, no?
post #15 of 53
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Originally Posted by SpottedFoxx View Post
I'd like to point out that pertussis in adults is nothing more than a nasty cough. However, had I come in contact with an infant who had not been vaccinated, that infant could die.

My disease makes me more susceptible to certain diseases yet it does not make it harder for my body to fight them off. A child who's system is compromised and is too young to have the strength to fight off a disease is an entirely different story.
But the DTaP isn't offered to children in the real danger zone (under 6 months) I think it comes down to personal responsibility. If you have a cough you should stay home, period.
post #16 of 53
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Originally Posted by mom0810 View Post
And yes, we are exposed to these things in everyday life. In small quantities. I, for one, did not wear any deodorant when my very small babies were nursing in order to prevent aluminum absorption in my breast tissue that could have affected them.

Also, since our environment IS full of these toxins, it does make sense not to inject MORE of them into our bloodstreams, no?
Thank you. They tell us to avoid tuna during pregnancy and while nursing because of mercury levels...but it's okay to inject it directly into a baby's bloodstream?
post #17 of 53
I have no idea why the vaccine will give me greater immunity - it's what my doctor recommended to me and I trust her with my life. Of course, I will research it more before I get it but I'm leaning towards getting it. Considering I'm still coughing after a month... if it will lesson my chance of getting it yet again, I'd risk it.

I have to work for a living. Both times, prior to getting a diagnosis, I went to work, feeling fine, sounding terrible because I figured it was a cold. I cared for my son (who was just over a year the first time), took the train, went to work, went to the grocery store and even spent time in my son's day care. When I was diagnosed, I immediately called the day care because I didn't know if there would be any children who were not vaccinated in the center. Having a cough is not a legitimate reason to stay home.

You may be correct on the transmission but if the vaccine prevents you from getting the disease in the first place, transmission is taken care of no?
post #18 of 53
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Originally Posted by SpottedFoxx View Post
I have no idea why the vaccine will give me greater immunity - it's what my doctor recommended to me and I trust her with my life. Of course, I will research it more before I get it but I'm leaning towards getting it. Considering I'm still coughing after a month... if it will lesson my chance of getting it yet again, I'd risk it.

I have to work for a living. Both times, prior to getting a diagnosis, I went to work, feeling fine, sounding terrible because I figured it was a cold. I cared for my son (who was just over a year the first time), took the train, went to work, went to the grocery store and even spent time in my son's day care. When I was diagnosed, I immediately called the day care because I didn't know if there would be any children who were not vaccinated in the center.

You may be correct on the transmission but if the vaccine prevents you from getting the disease in the first place, transmission is taken care of no?
No. The vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting the pertussis. I'm sure someone can chime in and explain this better than I can, but I think it prevents the toxin from attaching that causes the awful part of the cough. So you still "catch" pertussis and you still spread it around. You just don't get the quite as bad of a cough from it, which actually makes you more likely to spread it on to more people, since you don't realize you have pertussis.
post #19 of 53
I live in CA specifically in the SF Bay Area where one of the outbreaks is. I have heard it on my local NPR station (I don't watch TV or listen to other radio so that is my source of info). In the news article I listened to, they said there were more cases in Marin County which has a higher non-vaxing rate. However, they explained the higher rate there as due to a campaign to ask parents to report it rather than hide it, and not on the vax rate.

As a sidenote, my DD was diagnosed with pertussis (but without a lab test) but her pedi and I chose not to report it to the state health dept. PM me for details -- of course it's not quite that straightforward.
post #20 of 53
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Originally Posted by ammiga View Post
No. The vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting the pertussis. I'm sure someone can chime in and explain this better than I can, but I think it prevents the toxin from attaching that causes the awful part of the cough. So you still "catch" pertussis and you still spread it around. You just don't get the quite as bad of a cough from it, which actually makes you more likely to spread it on to more people, since you don't realize you have pertussis.
Thank you for the explanation. If that is the case, and I could still get it but without the cough, I'll definitely get the vaccine (I can see someone breaking a rib) cause it kept me up for days.
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