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post #1 of 24
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my lo is three and hasnt pooped regulary ever, she is on a record of 20 days and no poop her homeopathy practioner has her on lyco12C been three days nothing yet... he suggested a suppository last night we tried but it came out whole after about 30 minutes in a little puddle of diarrhea and that was it... she seems to be holding not sure though.... her belly is puffed out she on,ly wants to eat breakfast and lunch no dinner but she is playing and seems fine i know belive that! I cant! any now he recommend epsom salt bath and an enema... I heard bad things about enemas in young toddlers, so can anyone advice on what they have expereinced with the whole no poo problem with the kiddos. please? we need imediate result at this point!

Added to say we have had xrays and ultrasounds looking for bloackages in the past and all has been well, our ped had her on miralax but as soon as we stop giving it to her she doesnt poop, we will not continue to keep her on that any longer that is why we sought the help of alternative medicine.
post #2 of 24
as a mom of many who have gone days without poop I have to recommend a rectal thermometer. TMI WARNING: if you use a little lubricant and insert the thermometer gently it may help to break up any hardened poop. I would follow up on warm baths, not burning hot but definately warmer. We would also gently rub their thighs and buttucks and would do a *bicycle movement* kinda like they are on their bikes and riding a bicycle. We would also up the amt of fiber in their diets and try to avoid anything like BRAT. I think a conjuction of all these things eventually brought relief, the only time it didnt we resort to a baby suppository which worked immediately alll over the place
post #3 of 24
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well the enema didnt work out... tried got a little saline in (tmi) and then she took off crawling and I couldnt get her calm enough to try it again, I refuse to hold her down, I just cant do that... So we tried a warm bath and a little very came out... she still needs to take a massive poop... she is very uncomfotable now. Not sure what to do now. Should we try another enema tomorrow or bag it and just hope the poop finds it's way out on it's own.... anyone? it will 22 days tomorrow... she is so upset, iam so upset! we are all upset!
post #4 of 24
Poor thing! I don't really have much advice, but what about giving her things like prune juice? raisins? Those are things I remember my mom saying would make me go. Maybe some kind of herbal laxative tea that is ok for kids to drink? Of course lots of fiber, probiotics to help with digestion, make sure she's drinking plenty of water. Flax seed?

These are all things I've heard help with making people poop or digestion. Hope something helps and she goes soon!
post #5 of 24
You need to take her to a hospital. 22 days without a bowel movement is very serious. It only takes a few days for toxins to and pounds of feces to be building up. She could have an impacted bowel.
post #6 of 24
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Originally Posted by CherryBomb View Post
You need to take her to a hospital. 22 days without a bowel movement is very serious. It only takes a few days for toxins to and pounds of feces to be building up. She could have an impacted bowel.
I didn't read it was 22 days, I agree with this poster. It's scary that she hasn't gone in so long.
post #7 of 24
Yes, I'm usually all for low intervention, but this is time for intervention. Take her in, have her seen, and try again with new diet and what not after you've gotten past this current issue.
post #8 of 24
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Originally Posted by mamamoogs View Post
my lo is three and hasnt pooped regulary ever, she is on a record of 20 days and no poop her homeopathy practioner has her on lyco12C been three days nothing yet... he suggested a suppository last night we tried but it came out whole after about 30 minutes in a little puddle of diarrhea and that was it... she seems to be holding not sure though.... her belly is puffed out she on,ly wants to eat breakfast and lunch no dinner but she is playing and seems fine i know belive that! I cant! any now he recommend epsom salt bath and an enema... I heard bad things about enemas in young toddlers, so can anyone advice on what they have expereinced with the whole no poo problem with the kiddos. please? we need imediate result at this point!

Added to say we have had xrays and ultrasounds looking for bloackages in the past and all has been well, our ped had her on miralax but as soon as we stop giving it to her she doesnt poop, we will not continue to keep her on that any longer that is why we sought the help of alternative medicine.
This sounds serious to me. have you tried prune juice? What about some magnesium? Enough mag will make her bowels loose so hopefully something will come out. I don't know what her diet is like but I would think about food allergies maybe dairy or gluten? I would also get her on a good probiotic. My 2 cents I hope she goes soon.
post #9 of 24
This sounds like the possible beginning of encopresis. They don't technically diagnosis it until after age four though. That is WAY too long to hold poop. I am sure that she is bound to have it backed way up. She may very well likely have stretched her colon and is losing the natural urge to go.

We have had pooping problems with our 3yo since shortly after he turned 2 (but the most he ever held it back was probably 5-6 days.) I was really scared it would turn into encopresis but luckily he is finally healing! His problem was fructose malabsorption. The FM gave him acidic poop that burned so he held it back. Once we fixed the diet issues he started to heal physically and emotionally. And oh boy did that take dedication, perseverance and a complete change in our diets - we journaled every morsel he ate for months. We're now wheat/gluten free (wheat has fructans and we just haven't tried putting gluten back yet), low on lactose (kids with FM are often also lactose intolerant) and completely fruit (and tomato) free. He eats no honey, molasses, brown sugar, etc. He can handle veggies with good glucose/fructose ratios in moderation, sucrose and evaporated cane juice in moderation. Our diet is pretty limited but we're slowly expanding. We have minor setbacks at times when we get a little too much fructose but it isn't enough to affect his healing progress.

When this first started with him - we thought his episodes of "holding" back may be behavior-oriented and that holding the poop back somehow caused the sore bottom when it finally came out. (Totally wrong!) A ped suggested Miralax but we didn't understand how that would work given he wasn't constipated and then when I researched it, I definitely ruled it out (find the Yahoo group about Miralax side effects - scary!) For a while, I gave him prune juice, pears and flax oil to keep his bowels moving (Totally wrong!) which was ultimately only making the problem worse.

We have a very long and detailed story that I can't even begin to fully express here. I do know, however, that I have read many stories in my research about how these issues can ultimately be diet related.

If I were you, I'd start food journaling and consider elimination diets. Unfortunately, you are likely in for a very long and arduous journey regardless of the cause. These issues take a long time to heal. It took about 3 months for our son's problem to escalate (as he started eating more fructose), about 3 months more until we were doing elimination diets and about 4 more months for us to adjust his diet and FINALLY figure out it was fructose. It was baby steps all the way with healing. While he was still eating a ton of fructans and fructose, he would poop in his diaper after days of holding it back but only if we picked him up and hugged him. When we cut wheat and some other sources of fructose (without knowing it was the fructose causing the issue) he started to poop in the potty but it took a long time - we had to sit with him for long periods of time and play with toys. As I started to figure out what foods and quantities he tolerated (still didn't realize it was fructose but I knew he couldn't eat too much of this or that) he started pooping in the potty more quickly. And when I finally put all the pieces of the puzzle together and made the fructose connection, he finally went to the potty on his own. You have no idea how insanely ecstatic I was the first time he went completely on his own. I felt like I had finally won a long uphill battle.

Overall though, our stories may be completely different but I did want to put the diet suggestion out there. I joined lists about encopresis and miralax and frequented the allergy forums here. I found lots of tips and ideas but ultimately, I found not one other person who had identified the problem we had. I would seek out these groups though - if her problem is functional constipation (which is the cause of many cases of encopresis), there were many families who have an arsenal of natural products to help (fruit-eze, oils, magnesium, prune juice, pears, etc.) However, many have also found that the constipation went away when they removed something from the diet (like gluten). There are also people who've had luck with behavior therapies. You may have some detective work ahead of you and the problem may persist to some degree despite your best effort. I wish the best of luck; I know how incredibly difficult this is to deal with.

ETA: I wanted to add though, if she hasn't gone in three weeks she is going to need some form of clean-out therapy if you can't get her to go on her own. The runny poo coming out is likely liquid stool coming out around the hard stool built up inside. I would be pretty worried at this point.
post #10 of 24
Thread Starter 
I am very worried and this has been going on since she was one she is now three she goes two weeks or so without going then the miralax gives her the runs and cleans her out,

this is not normal going this long without a poo but for my lo it is, kwim this is her pattern and no one seems to be able to help we have had xrays and ultrasounds when this happens and what they see is a lot of poop in her. and tell me to put her back on the miralax three tsps twice a day until she gets the runs and then lower the dose for the next week or so. We cant keep on this way we need a solution not a fix.

She is under the care of two peds and one homeopathy practioner, theya re all amazed she is acts herself and playing and doing normal stuff, her belly ofcourse is puffed...

I talked to my homeopathy practioner again he said to give her more epsom salt baths today and try another enema later today and see if that helps... Fingers crossed, I wish i could find some help or relief for my lo. We have tried diet changes and uping fiber elimating diary nothing has helped and we can not get her to take prunes or drink prunes.

We tried power pudding etc. Every ped has different opinions, one says try oatmeal the other says oatmeal is constipating one says lots of fruit juices the other says too much can constipate. so i am getting conflicting info from both peds that is why we are trying alternative medicine. I want to correct the problem not just get quick fixes every couple of weeks when she backs up.

Any other mamas maybe want to share their stories of having the same troubles with their lo's. Thanks to the mamas that have already try to help by responding.
post #11 of 24
sorry you're going through this mama. I know everyone has their own opinions on what to do/eat/drink but here is my suggestions: plenty of water, try to avoid dairy and limit meats. Foods that i find make us go regularly: beans/lentils, indian tor dal especially, oatmeal, raisin bran, watermelon and any fruits or veggies high in fiber. Extra fiber bread or pasta, ronzoni smart taste pasta, orrowheat extra fiber bread. Just make sure she is getting plenty of water with her meals.

I hope you figure out something soon, as other posters said, another trip to the dr. may be warranted too, going that long with out a bowel movement is bound to start causing problems.
post #12 of 24
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Originally Posted by mamamoogs View Post

this is not normal going this long without a poo but for my lo it is, kwim this is her pattern
I get what your saying that it's her pattern but it's not normal by any means. Something is causing this it's not just the she is and it sounds like the peds your seeing are just trying to treat her symptoms. I would post in allergies because those mamas are brilliant and I'm sure they can help you. oatmeal is very constipating! You said you eliminated dairy but for how long? Have you tried eliminating gluten? We had constipation issues with DD not nearly as severe as yours but a quality probiotic really helped her.
post #13 of 24
Hi Mama,

I am sorry your LO is having such a rough time. I know it's nerve wracking for you as well.

My DD1 has a Neurogenic Bowel. I am familar with the poop issues.

Okay, Miralax. What this does is draw water into the bowels. By drawing water into the bowels, it softens the hard poop so it can pass on out. What was the dosage you were giving your LO? Just because a child has diarreah doesn't mean they are unstopped up. What is happening is too much water is getting into the bowel too fast and it's by passing the plugs of poop. Smaller dosages of Miralax is what I would recommend.

Is she eating at all? Has she thrown up? When they get really backed up it compresses on their stomach and it starts backing up.

Having said this, I think it's time for help from the hospital. She may need a high volume enema to start the process of getting her cleaned out.



Once you get her cleaned out, you really should see a Pedatric Gastroentrologist. It could be allergies causing this, it could be something else. But I think a Ped Gastro would be a good start.
post #14 of 24
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Originally Posted by mamamoogs View Post
this is not normal going this long without a poo but for my lo it is, kwim this is her pattern and no one seems to be able to help we have had xrays and ultrasounds when this happens and what they see is a lot of poop in her. and tell me to put her back on the miralax three tsps twice a day until she gets the runs and then lower the dose for the next week or so. We cant keep on this way we need a solution not a fix.
Again, this sounds like encopresis. When holding poop for long periods of time becomes the normal pattern, the colon gets stretched. Eventually the urge to go is lost and liquid begins to leak out at random times from overflow around the hard stool. With treatment it can take years to get the colon back to a normal size (the usually do this with miralax, other stuff which has to be continued for years) because the big, hard poops hurt to pass, the fear/pain cycle is embedded and there are those issues to deal with as well. Some people who don't want to use miralax, etc. have done this with more natural methods but it is difficult.

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She is under the care of two peds and one homeopathy practioner, theya re all amazed she is acts herself and playing and doing normal stuff, her belly ofcourse is puffed...
I'd take her to a pediatric gastroenterologist.
post #15 of 24
i would put her on enzymes daily. also add prunes to her diet
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post #16 of 24
Dd had trouble with constipation for a long time. If the enema doesn't work I think you should take her to the hospital. To prevent it happening again - lots of Vitamin C, magnesium, water. If she goes more than three days without pooping, I would give her an enema or suppository at that point. Long term, look into food allergies, also severe constipation can be a sign of high lead levels (probably isn't, but good to get checked.) I have heard of chiropractic adjustments helping kids with constipation but that didn't work for us.
post #17 of 24
Bifidobacteria probiotics up to 3x day at first until she is going everyday.

A daily magnesium drink like Kids Calm.

Ditto food allergies/intolerances.

Good info on encoparesis is at the http://www.enzymestuff.com/rtencopresis.htm site and her Yahoo group too.
post #18 of 24
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I get what your saying that it's her pattern but it's not normal by any means.
I just wanted to stress this. I very strongly second a high volume enema at the hospital and an appt asap with a pediatric gastroenterologist.
post #19 of 24

Chiro care for constipation

Have you tried or considered chiropractic care? My chiro has adjusted my 19 mo old for constipation with AMAZING results. Not sure if this would help in your situation, but something to consider. Chiropractic adjustments treat the cause of the constipation, and are not just a band aid like other treatments. If you are concerned about chiropractic adjustments for babies/children, here is a website with lots of good information and a directory of chiropractors specially trained to treat children:

http://icpa4kids.org/

Of course diet is an important factor too, but if you have already tried that and it is not helping, I would encourage you to look into chiropractic care.
post #20 of 24
we have sooooo been here! ds has had delayed pooping issues since birth. we have been down the chiro path, which helped but did not solve the problem. he also has lots of food allergies and intolerances. with the help of the allergy moms here at mdc we are now making lots of progress. we had stool tests that showed that he had no lactobacillus and instead a pathogenic bacterial and fungal overgrowth. we are now treating that and are off all of his allergens and he is pooping at most every 4 days and just went 3 days in a row this week! he also holds it and we are working on this by trying to set a routine and rewarding for pooping and trying to make it as non traumatic as possible. also, until recently, i would use a fleet brand liquid suppository to help him go easily when he really held it for a number of days. i guess i just want to reinforce that this is not normal and you can do something to fix it. i was not willing for my kid to be on miralax for his entire life though he did take it for about 8 months before we started all of the above changes. constipation is a symptom of a problem underlying somewhere. i also agree that if she has not had a bowell movement already she needs to soon. try the liquid suppositores. the regular ones also came out of my son whole but the liquid ones work within 1 minute every time. he does not like them but they are quick and and non traumatic as possible. if that does not work i would seek medical attention to get her going to avoid an emergency situation. then come on over to the allergy forum...

peace

jen
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