Do you know of anyone that has gone overseas for their IVF b/c it's so much cheaper? - Page 2
success mentHello, ladies,
I am an Israeli, I have done 10 cycles of IVF with one successful cycle - DD now a year and a half.
I would like to put some things straight:
First of all many women do come to Israel from all over the world for treatment because it is cheaper. I have had foreign women with me during ER and ET, the main problem was language. Israelis are good in English for the most part, but women from other parts of the world had problems with translations. Please take that into account when considering to do it abroad. There is a lot of info in IVF that is essential you understand, especially if it comes to instructions on taking meds and such.
Second, our national insurance covers most of the cost of the first two kids. A committee has to approve you (based on age and RE's recommendations). Everyone is covered. It does not have to do with your religion. This is a democratic county! I have done IVF with Bedouins and Arab women. As expected, they were treated as equally as the Jewish majority in the ward. Being a foreigner, even if you are Jewish, will not give you a discount. You must be a citizen to be included in the National Health Insurance policy. Each worker pays a substantial part of his/her salary for health insurance, it is a socialist country, not a capitalist one. Benefits and drawbacks come with each society we choose to live in.
I do believe that RE's in Israel are very highly qualified. I know that their work is renowned world wide. They don't have the same pressure to get their statistics proper, so they won't treat you with this ulterior motive (or not treat you). Since Israelis can afford to do multiple cycles, the RE's can study you better, tweak treatments and innovate. I a sure this makes them better doctors than the ones who might see a patient twice, because that is all she can afford, or she will transfer to a different clinic.
I'd love to add more, but this post is too long as it is sorry
Oh, and it is a wonderful place for a vacation
Feel free to ask anything!
I live in UK and am looking at travelling to Israel for ICSI - found your post on here and thought I would contact you and ask if you could recommend anywhere to do it?
I have done three rounds in the UK with no luck and am now looking to Israel to help!
I have read your posts and you sound as if you have been there as well - would love any advice you have to give and recommendations of a great clinic in Israel if you know of one?
Hi, so good to hear from you - I saw that you'd last posted in 2010 I think so didn't think you'd still be on here. I've done three rounds of ICSI (husbands low sperm count /my endemetriosis and age - I've just turned 40). I produce eggs, they even get to blastocyst stage in the lab, but when they do the embryo transfer I just don't get pregnant.
No idea why not - I read you have 10 rounds under your belt so you probably know even more then me by now about the factors involved.
I know it's probably a numbers game, and thought to come to Israel to try another round. Out of the clinics you've tried do you think there is one that is better then the others? I'd be really interested to know what you think.
I know Israel from holidaying there, but it's hard to differentiate sitting here which clinic offers the best chances - I know Hadassah hospital has good reputation and Assuta in Tel Aviv.
Here in the UK I have gone through the NHS and to be honest they were not closely monitoring after the egg transfer and did not use as many drugs as the private clinic I went to, so I know there can be big differences in the treatment.Sure this must be the same in Israel, so would be very appreciative to know what you think from your experience.
Very best wishes
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I did a total of 19 rounds of IVF all in all, and you will never believe what worked for me in the end - a natural IUI with DHEA. I just gave birth to a boy on September 21st! I am 43, been ttc #2 for 4 years - did 15 IVF cycles and 5 IUI cycles for this kid. #1 was achieved after 8 IUI's and 4 IVF cycles.
I did rounds in Assuta (Reshon LeZion), it was a very good place. I choose my own RE and was treated directly by him. I was monitored in my hometown and just had to travel to Assuta for ER and ET. I have friends being treated in Haddassah Har-HaZofim (there is a Haddassah Ein Kerem too), and I think that I got better care in Assuta. What type of monitoring did you have in mind for after ET? Sometimes I did B\W mid 2ww. As for the drugs - there are different protocols, and different doses. For some reason, EPP is not used here at all. LLP is used mostly on younger women, and either the antagonist protocol or the flare protocol (MDL) is used, with or without BCP's before cycle starts. I have been on growth hormone, had AH done, you name it, nothing took with me either.
How interesting! I cannot believe you went through that many rounds and I am so pleased for you that you got there in the end. Was this ICSI? Presumably a combination of different things as I cannot imagine 15 ICSI cycles!
Based on your last email and the DHEA comment - I have just found a great website by Geffrey Sher in the US - though it seems he does not condone use of DHEA in older women with DOR. It seems though a lot of other women found it increased their egg count - so maybe I should give this a try before I start my next round.
I was referring to bloods monitoring after egg transfer where they watch to increase your progesterone levels if they fall after ET, or watch for immune issues / high white blood cell count so they can perform intralipid transfusion which negates N killer cells.
There is so much to read and so many nutrients - royal jelly, bee pollen, vit d, omega 3, wheatgrass, etc etc etc that in the end it's so hard to know what will be the single factor that takes you over the line to pregnancy.
Do you think there was a factor that meant your last most natural cycle worked? And it kind of answers my question about travelling to Israel - as perhaps it makes no difference where you have the IVF as when your body decides to play ball then it will happen! What do you think?!!
It was not ICSI - it was a natural IUI. I was diagnosed "idiopathic", after doing all 8 IUI cycles in 2006 with hormones, I had never every tried naturally. The doctor should have at least tried a few natural cycles back then, I just had 1 bad doctor. I do attribute a lot of the success with #2 to the DHEA, I was on it for 3 months. I was on a lot of other supplements too.
As for monitoring during the 2ww, I have been monitored for E2 and P, but not for immune issues. I know of a Professor Carp who does intralipid transfusions, I read about it, and I still don't understand how soy oil in my veins does something for NK.
I think anyone who is considering travailing for IVF is taking into consideration cost and health care quality, as for the body playing ball, who knows? I am sure that the right diagnose, and the right solution could make a difference.