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post #101 of 142
Just finished my 6th day on the protocol and I love it!!!!

I admit to being a skeptic and was a little leery of the low, low calorie diet. I have done weight watchers before and darn near chewed my arm off the entire time I was on it. I was so incredibly hungry!

But with this, my hunger is different. My stomach doesn't really feel hungry, just empty. And empty is okay. I have NEVER been okay with an empty stomach before. I have always known that I eat emotionally and for me, hunger has always felt panicky and shaky. But this is completely different -- even tough I am eating very little, I feel controlled, emotionally safe and calm.

I am very comfortable on this protocol and am quite sure that I can do this for another 34 days. I have 40 pounds to lose, 6 are gone all ready, and I think I would like to do a total of 40 days.




As for nursing, my youngest is over 2 1/2 and with some very gentle encouragement, stopped nursing a week ago. He was done and I was as well, so it was a gentle, easy transition. I have been losing a pound a day and having mild headaches, which I understand are due to junk in my fat cells releasing into my system. I have been overweight a loooooooong time, so I was concerned with what might be stored in my fat and didn't want to expose my little one to that.
post #102 of 142
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Originally Posted by Ruthiegirl View Post
Just finished my 6th day on the protocol and I love it!!!!

I admit to being a skeptic and was a little leery of the low, low calorie diet. I have done weight watchers before and darn near chewed my arm off the entire time I was on it. I was so incredibly hungry!

But with this, my hunger is different. My stomach doesn't really feel hungry, just empty. And empty is okay. I have NEVER been okay with an empty stomach before. I have always known that I eat emotionally and for me, hunger has always felt panicky and shaky. But this is completely different -- even tough I am eating very little, I feel controlled, emotionally safe and calm.

I am very comfortable on this protocol and am quite sure that I can do this for another 34 days. I have 40 pounds to lose, 6 are gone all ready, and I think I would like to do a total of 40 days.




As for nursing, my youngest is over 2 1/2 and with some very gentle encouragement, stopped nursing a week ago. He was done and I was as well, so it was a gentle, easy transition. I have been losing a pound a day and having mild headaches, which I understand are due to junk in my fat cells releasing into my system. I have been overweight a loooooooong time, so I was concerned with what might be stored in my fat and didn't want to expose my little one to that.
Awesome! Which form of HCG did you use??
post #103 of 142
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Originally Posted by Ruthiegirl View Post
Just finished my 6th day on the protocol and I love it!!!!
Awesome. Thanks for posting.

So cool that you are not experiencing hunger!
post #104 of 142
I'm sorry...I can't give advice. All I can do is tell you my perspective from which you'd then have to draw your own conclusions.

I believe that as long as you're not nursing an infant (as in under a year) you could consider doing this. HOWEVER this is not a blanket statement and would depend on frequency/quantity in terms of how your nursling functions.

Also, I wouldn't do it without additional support for detox pathways to ensure there were many excretory paths for toxins released so the teeniest of the tiny amount stuck around in the bloodstream and made it into the milk.

That's my take.

I'm also happy to hear the reports. This really is a plan unlike any other I've come across. I think one of the HEALTHIEST parts about it is exactly what you mentioned. That you learn to feel comfortable empty. SO many of us overeat because we don't stop until we FEEL full and by then, we are overfull. This totally changes your perception of food WITHOUT starving you. It's fantastic.
post #105 of 142
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Originally Posted by MoOnFiReGlOw View Post
Awesome! Which form of HCG did you use??
Sublingual drops. I am too chicken to inject.
post #106 of 142
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Originally Posted by Ruthiegirl View Post
Sublingual drops. I am too chicken to inject.
Same here where did you get them if you don't mind me asking? There seems to be so many places offering them!
post #107 of 142
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Originally Posted by SpottedFoxx View Post
My point with that was some people think they are eating healthy but they aren't. Also, in my example, I stated my mother and sister were eating a fantastic diet but due to medical conditions were unable to lose the weight. When those conditions were addressed, the weight came off.

OP - I gained my weight due to IF as well. Pumping ourselves up with those hormones did a lot to mess up our metabolism. However, after trying several quick starts (one of which almost put me in the hospital), I found that steady weight loss (1-3lbs a week) is healthy and maintainable. Not just for me but in every MEDICAL study done (not done by the company selling a product), they tell you that in order to lose and maintain weight loss you must change your lifestyle and stick with it.

Every diet works. If you can survive on 500 calories and hcg shots for the rest of your life then maybe this will be your diet. If you can eat nothing but cabbage or grapefruit or soup for the rest of your life, then that would be the way to go.

For me - journeling my food (I use sparkepeople - it's free), eating between 1200-1400 calories a day and exercising keeps my weight down.
i believe this.

so many women i know and love just refuse to see/admit that they are eating too much or the wrong things. they exercise only occasionally and treat themselves for their workouts. they eat out more often than they should...trying to make healthy choices but not realizing that eating out, even healthfully, is still more calories than eating at home.

i used to think weight "stuck" to me. i thought i was a special case. It's much easier to believe that you're special than to believe the hard work that it actually takes to lose weight and NOT gain it back. If you asked, the old me would have insisted that i ate right and exercised. But what I was doing was not enough to lose weight, and I was gaining because of seemingly small splurges combined with outrageous LACK of portion control in my regular meals.

exercise. exercise. exercise. food journal. exercise journal. commitments to sustained exercise, breaking a sweat, DAILY. Focusing on larger portions of vegetables and lean protein. Not skimping when it comes to GOOD fats. Almost complete avoidance of processed, simple carbs. Healthy portions of COMPLEX carbs and simple sugars from fruits.

it all seems so simple to outline in a message on a forum...but it's HARD to follow. starting journals to pay attention to your real actions is a good step forward.
post #108 of 142
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Originally Posted by MoOnFiReGlOw View Post
Same here where did you get them if you don't mind me asking? There seems to be so many places offering them!

pm'ing you
post #109 of 142
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Also, I wouldn't do it without additional support for detox pathways to ensure there were many excretory paths for toxins released so the teeniest of the tiny amount stuck around in the bloodstream and made it into the milk.
Any ideas about what I could do to help with this?


would you pm me too ruthiegirl? thanks!
post #110 of 142
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Originally Posted by chirp View Post
i believe this.

so many women i know and love just refuse to see/admit that they are eating too much or the wrong things. they exercise only occasionally and treat themselves for their workouts. they eat out more often than they should...trying to make healthy choices but not realizing that eating out, even healthfully, is still more calories than eating at home.

i used to think weight "stuck" to me. i thought i was a special case. It's much easier to believe that you're special than to believe the hard work that it actually takes to lose weight and NOT gain it back. If you asked, the old me would have insisted that i ate right and exercised. But what I was doing was not enough to lose weight, and I was gaining because of seemingly small splurges combined with outrageous LACK of portion control in my regular meals.

exercise. exercise. exercise. food journal. exercise journal. commitments to sustained exercise, breaking a sweat, DAILY. Focusing on larger portions of vegetables and lean protein. Not skimping when it comes to GOOD fats. Almost complete avoidance of processed, simple carbs. Healthy portions of COMPLEX carbs and simple sugars from fruits.

it all seems so simple to outline in a message on a forum...but it's HARD to follow. starting journals to pay attention to your real actions is a good step forward.
post #111 of 142
and for many that may work. For those cases it doesn't, this is great. In the end...accomplishes the same thing. Learning to eat in a way that supports the body instead of overwhelming it. Besides, those with healthy metabolisms don't have to pay for EVERY indiscretion-especially reasonable ones. That's not living in harmony to me. IF I have to literally count every calorie for the rest of my life and never eat a complex carb again for fear of the scale jumping ten pounds, something is off.

I'm not saying people should be able to gorge themselves, or eat 2000 calories a day with no exercise and be okay. I'm not suggesting that eating cake weekly at an office party should be fine, or that you should be able to end every night with ice cream because you went to the gym once that week. This is NOT what we're talking about here.

I'll say it again, this is not a magic bullet, it's a program to help others that haven't been helped by traditional means. It's also a way to change the way you look at food so after the 3 -5 weeks you can embark on a whole new journey that isn't based on deprivation and fear.

I am in 100% agreement with you. But there are cases in which that just. doesn't. work. For some it's because they aren't aware of how much they're eating or how little they're moving. There's also some that are VERY aware and VERY conscious. I don't think those people are liars or failures. I don't think they're dishonest and I don't think that they are all cheating. I think there's a different mechanism at work and this seems to help.
post #112 of 142
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Any ideas about what I could do to help with this?

the biggies I tend to use are glutathione, vitamin C and calcium bentonite clay. I also like silica and ferrum phos tissue salts.
post #113 of 142
thank you so much for your help! i think this will be my birthday gift to myself! i'm going to watch my ds for excessive grumpies, sleep issues, eczema and bm changes to make sure he isn't getting over tox'ed as well.
post #114 of 142
I forgot to mention epsom salt soaks as well. They do a great job of opening sulfation pathways.

Good luck!
post #115 of 142
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Originally Posted by Panserbjørne View Post
and for many that may work. For those cases it doesn't, this is great. In the end...accomplishes the same thing. Learning to eat in a way that supports the body instead of overwhelming it. Besides, those with healthy metabolisms don't have to pay for EVERY indiscretion-especially reasonable ones. That's not living in harmony to me. IF I have to literally count every calorie for the rest of my life and never eat a complex carb again for fear of the scale jumping ten pounds, something is off.

I'm not saying people should be able to gorge themselves, or eat 2000 calories a day with no exercise and be okay. I'm not suggesting that eating cake weekly at an office party should be fine, or that you should be able to end every night with ice cream because you went to the gym once that week. This is NOT what we're talking about here.

I'll say it again, this is not a magic bullet, it's a program to help others that haven't been helped by traditional means. It's also a way to change the way you look at food so after the 3 -5 weeks you can embark on a whole new journey that isn't based on deprivation and fear.

I am in 100% agreement with you. But there are cases in which that just. doesn't. work. For some it's because they aren't aware of how much they're eating or how little they're moving. There's also some that are VERY aware and VERY conscious. I don't think those people are liars or failures. I don't think they're dishonest and I don't think that they are all cheating. I think there's a different mechanism at work and this seems to help.

I was/am doing everything "right". I now have evidence that that is true as I've lost 15 lbs in the last 5 weeks since my thyroid medication was increased. but, if it hadn't, i had nothing left to "fix"/do. I'm glad that I most likely will not have to go this route but I feel grateful to know it is here if I needed it.
post #116 of 142
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Originally Posted by Panserbjørne View Post
and for many that may work. For those cases it doesn't, this is great. In the end...accomplishes the same thing. Learning to eat in a way that supports the body instead of overwhelming it. Besides, those with healthy metabolisms don't have to pay for EVERY indiscretion-especially reasonable ones. That's not living in harmony to me. IF I have to literally count every calorie for the rest of my life and never eat a complex carb again for fear of the scale jumping ten pounds, something is off.

I'm not saying people should be able to gorge themselves, or eat 2000 calories a day with no exercise and be okay. I'm not suggesting that eating cake weekly at an office party should be fine, or that you should be able to end every night with ice cream because you went to the gym once that week. This is NOT what we're talking about here.

I'll say it again, this is not a magic bullet, it's a program to help others that haven't been helped by traditional means. It's also a way to change the way you look at food so after the 3 -5 weeks you can embark on a whole new journey that isn't based on deprivation and fear.

I am in 100% agreement with you. But there are cases in which that just. doesn't. work. For some it's because they aren't aware of how much they're eating or how little they're moving. There's also some that are VERY aware and VERY conscious. I don't think those people are liars or failures. I don't think they're dishonest and I don't think that they are all cheating. I think there's a different mechanism at work and this seems to help.
and i'm not necessarily disagreesing with you about the benefits of this kind of therapy for people who true-blue need it. but that is probably going to be a smaller portion of the population of people who just need to re-learn their relationship with food and movement.

anyway...after reading the entire thread i realized my comment was a little late...i'd just like to leave off with I didn't quite say that every "indiscretion" (and that's not the word I used ) required hard work at the gym.

as usual, the hardest part is starting. my metabolism kick started again after 5 weeks of going to the gym. really kickstarted. i wasn't just losing weight...but I didn't gain if I did go out and get ice cream.

that's what people need to get to.

i believe that there are people for whom this will not work. but like i said, i imagine they are a very small minority.
post #117 of 142
no, I most definitely used that word. That was my choice after seeing people for whom that is the case.

I hear you. And this WON'T work for people who go back to their old habits. Hence not a magic bullet.
post #118 of 142
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and i'm not necessarily disagreesing with you about the benefits of this kind of therapy for people who true-blue need it. but that is probably going to be a smaller portion of the population of people who just need to re-learn their relationship with food and movement.
I respectfully submit that this is each person's own decision as to whether this is the protocol they'd like to try.

It is not easy. It is not the 'lazy person's way out.' It is work. It is work to make sure you are getting just the right foods everyday so that your body is nourished along the way. It is work to stay focused. It is work to deal with the emotions of changing one's relationship to food.

It is not a better way to lose weight. It is not an inferior way to lose weight. It is simply an option for those who wish to try it and who feel, after extensive research and preparation, that it is right for them, their body, their lifestyle.

What I feel we need is an 'hcg diet SUPPORT' thread.
I think I'll go make one.
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post #120 of 142
I'm trying to figure out how consuming only 500 calories a day is in any way healthy. It's starvation. Your body will physiologically alter the way it metabolizes food because you are starving yourself, which will make it harder to keep it off. Physiologically harder.

I did a search for some decent science to support this method. I can't find any. I did find a meta analysis that concluded that most studies on the Simeons Method are badly constructed, and the great majority of the few that are well constructed show no effect for this treatment. Heck - it's not like pharmaceutical companies wouldn't be THRILLED to have something else to put on the market, so if there was something there, I'm sure they'd be all.over.it. Furthermore, the hormone is often collected under false pretences, which just makes the whole thing worse.

Anyway, it's a personal choice, and I've learned on this board that you can't change someone's mind once it's made up, no matter WHAT your position is...but for those who are still on the fence and want some balanced information, here's the conclusion of the meta-analysis. I'm not going to post the entire article, but the link, the citation, and the conclusion are found below.

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Of the 14 randomised studies 12 reported that the weight-loss with the use of HCG was no greater than with the use of a placebo or with the use of a diet only. However, there was always some weight-loss (Table
4). It seems reasonable to conclude that the effect of the Simeons therapy can be attributed to a diet of 500 kcal, but that the HCG has no specific effect. One claimed effect of HCG is that patients no longer feel hungry and/or find it easier to keep to the diet because they feel well on it. Supporters of the therapy, including Simeons himself, say that a double-blind
study of the therapy is not feasible, because persons in the control group will simply not persist with the therapy unless they are extremely motivated [50]. If this view is correct, then in the double-blind studies there should have been far more drop-outs in the control group than in the HCG group or less strict adherence to the diet in the control group, resulting in less weight-loss in that group than in the HCG group. However, according to the results of the studies investigated this does not seem to have been the case
(Table 3).

In a meta-analysis, results of studies that score higher than a selected cut-off point and are sufficiently homogeneous are sometimes 'pooled' [51]. We did not engage in 'pooling' in our study because the study populations and outcome measurements are too heterogeneous and because the methodological quality of the studies identified is too low to warrant 'pooling'.

We conclude that there is no scientific evidence that HCG causes weight-loss, a redistribution of fat, staves off hunger or induces a feeling of well-being. Therefore, the use of HCG should be regarded as an inappropriate therapy for weight reduction, particularly because HCG is obtained from the urine of pregnant women who donate their urine idealistically in the belief that it will be used to treat an entirely different condition, namely infertility. Pharmacists and physicians should be alert on the use of HCG for Simeons therapy. The results of this meta-analysis supports a firm standpoint against this improper indication. Restraints on physicians practising this therapy can be based on our findings.
Lijesen, GK, et al. (1995). The effect of human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) in the treatment of obesity by means of the Simeons therapy: a criteria-based meta-analysis. Br J Clin Pharmacology, 40(3), 237–243.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1365103/
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