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post #1 of 20
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I'm going to give a bit of background story and be painfully honest here, so please be nice! I need some advice, tips, tricks, what have you to be able to cope with this situation and be gentle.

I have three children, 10, 8, and 2. They're homeschooled, although right now we're on summer break. We recently moved into our first house, which we've been working on as it needs a little TLC. There are still some boxes and work left to do. Until we moved I was watching my cousin's baby, who is a couple months younger than my two year old, frequently. My grandma was living with us and she was helping out some with the two toddlers. My grandma got an apartment with my aunt, who is my cousin's mom and the toddler's grandma. The little girl toddler lives with them full time. Her father has no part in her life. Her mother visits her.

My grandma is over 80, my aunt has been battling cancer on and off for years and is often unwell. I know having a toddler around full time wears them both out. I hadn't watched her since we moved as we were still settling in and doing lots of work around here. This past weekend I watched her again. She was with us from Friday noon to Sunday evening. My aunt traveled to go to her grandson's sports tournament and was gone all weekend. This was the first time I had her overnight.

The first two days went good. By Sunday they were both very tired. My cousin's baby had woken up at 5:30 AM and didn't settle back in to sleep. It wasn't long before the noise of her playing woke my toddler. Now I'm going to describe some of the behaviors I'm having a hard time dealing with. She has a very different personality than my dd. She is much more active. She is constantly running, jumping, screeching, dumping toys, climbing, etc. I can handle these things well enough. She also doesn't listen reliably, so there is a lot of get off your butt parenting involved (although really its more like get away from the dishes or cooking, lol). I can handle this okay, but it does get slightly frustrating. My son was like this as a toddler, so it isn't as if I haven't dealt with this type of toddler behavior before, its more that I'm spoiled by my toddler dd now because she listens so well and is pretty calm and laid back, this girl even picks up after herself with no prompting! My cousin's toddler dumps and runs and dumps and runs, lol.

My cousin's toddler screeches, cries, and screams alot. This wears on me. My dd hardly ever does these things, however she did this weekend. It bothers me that my easy toddler might pick up the other little girl's behaviors. One situation that really gets me is that my cousin's toddler and mine will be playing beside each other happily with separate toys. Maybe I should call her B for ease. B will suddenly start screeching and clasping the toy to her chest, whining Mine! Mine!. Now realize no one was even challenging her for the toy. She'll do this repeatedly over and over again. And she does it often. My toddler will usually ignore her. A few times she has responded by trying to take the toy. A few times she has responded by screaming back. A few times she responded by mimicking me because I will tell her to calm down and point out that no one is taking the toy she is playing with.

B will sometimes cry and will sometimes run away with the toy. B will also do this with her food. I will give both toddlers identical food and B will screech and scream Mine! and pull it towards herself. This girl will literally cry like she fully expects my toddler to take her food. I repeat pretty much the same thing. Calm down, its okay, etc. No one will take your food. You both have food. B will also do this over a chair, a blanket, or pillow. For whatever reason if it is one of my toddlers blankets or chairs she will usually want it after B screeches and screams Mine! at her. Then she will cry and want it.

Also both toddlers will be sitting playing with the same toys together, like blocks for example, or trains, and B will screech and scream that my toddler took the ones she is playing with. My toddler didn't take anything. They're both playing with the toys. B has three trains in front of her my toddler isn't touching, my toddler has trains she has snapped together and is driving them into the other room. B screeches and cries and runs after her to try to take the trains. She does this very often, again and again. I find this very difficult to deal with. If B is running after my toddler I physically stop her by scooping her up and try to redirect back to the toys she was already playing with. This usually leads to more screeching and crying. Sometimes my toddler will respond by giving B the toys she wanted. Sometimes she will scream or run away.

I really don't know how to deal with all the screeching and screaming. I don't like it. I don't like that my toddler is constantly being yelled at over doing nothing. It can't be good for her.

I try to keep them busy. I take them outside. They play in the pool, the sandbox. But I do have two other children and a house to maintain. I have to prepare food and clean. I can't be constantly on top of them. I haven't noticed my trying to deflect the yelling work anyway. Once B decides to screech and scream she is going to screech and scream no matter if I tell her no one is going to take whatever anyway. My big kids will also help by playing active chase games and horse rides with them. We do have a lot of toys. I'm really not open to putting them away. I have no place to store them. Also I will likely be watching her often and don't want to be constantly putting them up and bringing them out anyway. I need ideas on how to handle this anyway because she is doing it over food, seats, and blankets.


Please help!!!!!!!!!!!!

UPDATE post #18
post #2 of 20
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Oh, I forgot to mention I find myself wanting to be stern and raise my voice at her. That's why I need help! I get worn down and frustrated by the screaming, screeching, and crying. Which will carry over to how I deal with the things I'd otherwise deal with fine. Like her wanting to get up twenty times during a meal and run around with food or wanting to go in my room and jump on my bed again and again, which is not safe. My bed is really high up and my room is pretty cluttered. I have all of my craft stuff stored in there. I can't just shut the door because #1 doesn't latch properly (yet! its on the to do list) and I have cats which like to hide in there.
post #3 of 20
2 year olds often don't play well together. Are you the only person available to watch this child when your aunt is busy? I personally wouldn't watch her if it was bad for my child. I've told a relative no before about watching their child. They just had to get another sitter.
post #4 of 20
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Yes, I am the only person who can watch her. My aunt and grandma have no money to afford to pay someone. No one else is willing to help.
post #5 of 20
Your cousin's kid's behavior is totally normal for a two-year-old -- the screechng, the "MINE!," the bad-listening, and the constant activity. She's not a monster child, and she won't stay like this forever.

However, that doesn't make it fun or easy to deal with -- especially when it's not your own kid! It is really, really nice of you to take her for entire weekends like that, I wouldn't want anyone's toddler for that long. It sounds like they have no other options, and what you are doing is super-kind and really above and beyond the call of duty!

How often will you have her? Is it possible to just accept ahead of time that during those times, nothing else will get done and prepare ahead of time for full-time kid duty? Cook ahead for the visit the night before she arrives, and let everyone eat a lot of simple foods like pre-cut cheese and crackers, fruit salad, hot dogs, whatever. Baby-gate your room (the cats can jump over), and put anything breakable or messy in there for the duration. And accept ahead of time that she's going to be grabbing and yelling MINE! a lot, because there's honestly not a single thing you can do about that.

It's great that the 10- and eight-year-olds will help out with the little ones. Can they pitch in on meal prep and a little cleaning, too? Can they supervise the little ones in the yard while you take a break and lie down with a cold washcloth over your eyes?

Also, is it possible that visiting toddler will settle down a little after she's more accustomed to being at your house? It was probably kind of disorienting and overwhelming for her -- you haven't had her for a little while, her great-grandma's not there, and she's in a new environment. Maybe she'll sleep better when it's more familiar?
post #6 of 20
It is completely normal behavior. Do you have a high chair they both fit in? We had an old wooden one. You could let them take turns painting. Each child would have some play alone with all the toys time and painting time. Painting has always helped my high energy intense DD be calmer. Playing with water in the sink is great for calming down too. Painting in a high chair is also good for staying occupied while some one is cooking. Also if you have a backpack carrier that they still fit in you could give the girls a break from each other by wearing one while the other plays.
post #7 of 20
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Originally Posted by Thalia the Muse View Post
Your cousin's kid's behavior is totally normal for a two-year-old -- the screechng, the "MINE!," the bad-listening, and the constant activity. She's not a monster child, and she won't stay like this forever.

However, that doesn't make it fun or easy to deal with -- especially when it's not your own kid! It is really, really nice of you to take her for entire weekends like that, I wouldn't want anyone's toddler for that long. It sounds like they have no other options, and what you are doing is super-kind and really above and beyond the call of duty!

How often will you have her? Is it possible to just accept ahead of time that during those times, nothing else will get done and prepare ahead of time for full-time kid duty? Cook ahead for the visit the night before she arrives, and let everyone eat a lot of simple foods like pre-cut cheese and crackers, fruit salad, hot dogs, whatever. Baby-gate your room (the cats can jump over), and put anything breakable or messy in there for the duration. And accept ahead of time that she's going to be grabbing and yelling MINE! a lot, because there's honestly not a single thing you can do about that.

It's great that the 10- and eight-year-olds will help out with the little ones. Can they pitch in on meal prep and a little cleaning, too? Can they supervise the little ones in the yard while you take a break and lie down with a cold washcloth over your eyes?

Also, is it possible that visiting toddler will settle down a little after she's more accustomed to being at your house? It was probably kind of disorienting and overwhelming for her -- you haven't had her for a little while, her great-grandma's not there, and she's in a new environment. Maybe she'll sleep better when it's more familiar?
I know she's not a monster child . I have three children, one of whom is currently a toddler. I have been around other toddlers. I do know there will be some screaming, crying, screeching, grabbing, etc, more with some toddlers, less with others. Please know I in no way think bad of her or want to portray her badly. I was simply trying to explain the behaviors I'm needing help with. I do think, from having cared for her a lot in the past, that she already tended towards these behaviors, its just more intense now that she is two. After watching her all weekend I suspect it might not actually all be quite 'normal', even for a two year old. I could be wrong. She has had a rough little life. She's been passed around a lot and wasn't always in a safe, stable environment. Her grandma seems to think these behaviors stem from how she was treated by children she was staying with at one point. I guess they were allowed to bully her and take toys and food from her. I care for her quite a bit, but it is still very hard to be around this behavior. She's actually paranoid when she acts this way. For example, in one instance, she found my dd's little fold up chair. I helped her open it and pushed the locking mechanism on the legs. She sat in it. My dd was sitting on the couch. I sat down and dd wanted to nurse. Dd was nursing and totally not paying attention to B. B repeatedly kept looking hurriedly back to my dd. After doing that for a minute she started screeching Mine! and crying. My dd never even looked at her. See what I'm saying? Its like she was totally paranoid and watching to see if my dd would come and take the chair away from her. And its just so constant, I don't know. I guess it would seem more normal if my dd had actually tried to take a toy from her, yk? Regardless, it doesn't really matter. I just want to be able to deal with it gently.

I really appreciate the suggestions. I used to do the cook ahead thing alot when I used to watch her. I totally forgot about that! Thanks, I'll definitely be doing more of this in the future. And yeah, the big kids will help with cleaning if I ask, too. I don't think I could feel comfortable having them out back without me though. Three neighbors who share our fence line have dogs. The one dog behind us did try to jump the fence once when we were out there. I'm sure it was friendly, but I couldn't be comfortable with it.

I am hoping maybe the intensity will wear off if it is because of the newness of the situation for her. I also hope I'll get accustomed to having her again and remind myself to drink that cup of tea when I need it.
post #8 of 20
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It is completely normal behavior. Do you have a high chair they both fit in? We had an old wooden one. You could let them take turns painting. Each child would have some play alone with all the toys time and painting time. Painting has always helped my high energy intense DD be calmer. Playing with water in the sink is great for calming down too. Painting in a high chair is also good for staying occupied while some one is cooking. Also if you have a backpack carrier that they still fit in you could give the girls a break from each other by wearing one while the other plays.
I only have one high chair. My dd doesn't use it anymore at all. B might be open to it though. They did paint once, at my table and actually got along well during. I didn't pull out the playdough, but maybe I should have. I have a mei tai, but don't use it much anymore. I could get it out and offer one of them to get in for awhile. Dd seems to really want to play with B and be around her though. Usually dd spends a lot of time helping me every day and with me playing with her and reading to her. She loves to help me with my chores, insists on doing dishes, laundry, sweeping, mopping, etc with me, lol. When B was here she just wanted to play with her and be doing what she was doing, yk? I will definitely try the mei tai, thanks!
post #9 of 20
If you will be keeping her alot you could really play a huge role in turning her little life in the right direction. If she has been mistreated by past babysitters or other kids, she is using the skills she needed to get by there. If it were me, I would make sure to take her aside a few times a day and cuddle her or walk around the house holding her and say things that help her feel safe at your house. B, you are safe here. I love you, A loves you, B loves you, C loves you. We love having you at our house. We like to share our toys with you. No one wants to hurt you. We are a family, you are part of this family. etc, etc.

As for some of the behavior stuff, I think it's just hard to have two little ones at that age. Each of them is not perfect at sharing, cooperating, playing nicely, etc. I'm sure as they get older it will get easier for both.
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Originally Posted by Grace and Granola View Post
If you will be keeping her alot you could really play a huge role in turning her little life in the right direction. If she has been mistreated by past babysitters or other kids, she is using the skills she needed to get by there. If it were me, I would make sure to take her aside a few times a day and cuddle her or walk around the house holding her and say things that help her feel safe at your house. B, you are safe here. I love you, A loves you, B loves you, C loves you. We love having you at our house. We like to share our toys with you. No one wants to hurt you. We are a family, you are part of this family. etc, etc.

As for some of the behavior stuff, I think it's just hard to have two little ones at that age. Each of them is not perfect at sharing, cooperating, playing nicely, etc. I'm sure as they get older it will get easier for both.
Thanks for this. An excellent idea! And I am already telling myself they won't be two forever, lol. But then I'm reminding myself they'll be four, eleven and sixteen at some point and its little solace, lol. Just joking, really. I think I'll be having her several days a week at least. I just felt the need to prepare myself to do better, yk? I didn't do terribly, but Sunday was the worst. They were both tired and I was too. I let my frustration get the better of me a few times and I talked sternly to both of them. It definitely doesn't solve anything for the long run.
post #11 of 20
I was going to say the same thing as Grace and Granola. It sounds like she was impacted by her past. She sounds like she is protecting before she needs to. will they play with baby dolls yet? I might get the babies out and role play with them. Practice being gentle and sharing with the babies.

Praise her when she is sharing and reassure her BEFORE she starts saying mine. "B is holding the chair. You are sitting in the chair. You get to stay there until you get up. There are two chairs." ANd so on.

If you think it is more than that and her guardian is open to it, I used to work for a therapy organization that worked with children as young as 2 as family therapy to use more play therapy to settling her more. Esp the face that her mom is in and out of her life and there is concern with the health of her (your) aunt.

Good luck and remember to take some time for yourself before and after the visits. You are making a tremendous difference in her life!!!
post #12 of 20
I have no advice, but I just had to say this.
Mama, I think you're doing a wonderful thing by providing this little one with a stable loving environment. She is so fortunate to have loving family around that can help care for her. As she grows hopefully the painful experiences from her past would be overshadowed by the love and care she gets in your home.
post #13 of 20
In addition to the excellent advise from PPs, what about some time playing each day in "neutral territory" like the park or somewhere similar? Someplace high energy, where shreeking isn't as noticiable? Do you by chance have an indoor playground near you that you could take the little kids to where they can run and play?
post #14 of 20
I haven't been in this exact situation but I do have twins and I see some similarities.

I think a LOT of it is her background and what she's been through already at a young age and getting used to a new place on a part-time basis. I think just plain simple time will help with a lot of that and I really like the previous suggestions to help her feel loved and secure and reinforce that no one's taking anything from her.

My only addition is from my experience with my twins when they were that age. I think your situation is harder because you are adding in a new person and it's not all the time. But I also see some similarities. My kids went through phases when they fought a lot and stole toys from each other and someone was always screaming. Key for me to having a good day was to have the day planned out, eat on time, sleep on time, with activities organized by me. The more time we spent in the house (with me trying to do other things), the crazier and more out of control it would get. If I just got us out of the house it was immediately better. Even if just to the park or around the block on their tricycles or go for a "nature walk" or go to the library, or sometimes we would do more special things like a local museum or a new park or seasonal stuff like the county fair. I don't have experience with just one child and I don't know if the same things apply, but with my two it seemed to me that I had to have the activities and the day organized and it would go a lot better (because they had outside/different stimulation?). Good luck you are a wonderful person.
post #15 of 20
Poor baby It does sound like she's holding on to some sort of fear.

Some thoughts I had last night. I haven't reread your OP to see if any of this makes sense, I just want to get it down before I forget.

It seems to me that the paranoia/fear of having things taken won't be helped by any amount of logic. It's going to take trust. I'm thinking this isn't something that will be solved quickly. You are so awesome to help out your family like that

Instead of saying "No one's going to take your toy" you could try "Yes, you can keep playing with the toy." Probably won't make a difference, but it's worth a shot, right?

In most discipline situations with little ones, my head goes immediately to "redirect in a way that honors the impulse." In this situation, it might be something like telling her not to screech, and that she can say "I'm still playing with it." Again, I don't think it will be a quick fix, but I think it could lay the groundwork for the future.

Ok, going to reread the thread and see if I have any more thoughts...
post #16 of 20
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Doing more high energy playing and going to parks and the library would probably help. I've taken them to playground before and it went well. Where we live now we have several places we could walk too or just walk about the neighborhood. Sometimes getting four kids ready to get out of the house seems impossible, but sometimes staying in the house with four kids seems impossible too, lol!
post #17 of 20
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Poor baby It does sound like she's holding on to some sort of fear.

Some thoughts I had last night. I haven't reread your OP to see if any of this makes sense, I just want to get it down before I forget.

It seems to me that the paranoia/fear of having things taken won't be helped by any amount of logic. It's going to take trust. I'm thinking this isn't something that will be solved quickly. You are so awesome to help out your family like that

Instead of saying "No one's going to take your toy" you could try "Yes, you can keep playing with the toy." Probably won't make a difference, but it's worth a shot, right?

In most discipline situations with little ones, my head goes immediately to "redirect in a way that honors the impulse." In this situation, it might be something like telling her not to screech, and that she can say "I'm still playing with it." Again, I don't think it will be a quick fix, but I think it could lay the groundwork for the future.

Ok, going to reread the thread and see if I have any more thoughts...
Saying something in a positive way definitely makes more sense. Encouraging her to rephrase is an excellent idea. I was thinking I needed to be saying something in particular, maybe one short phrase or two, yk? I talked to my sister and she pointed out I was using way too many words at once for the average two year old, lol. I didn't even stop and realize that B is no where near as verbal as my toddler and I'm just used to talking to my toddler. B uses one word at a time so maybe communication is a frustration for her sometimes too. And I totally think you're right. There probably is no quick fix here. But I've got lots of good suggestions to help me out now.
post #18 of 20
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Update

I watched her again and things went smoother. She actually seemed a lot more comfortable already! Yay! She wasn't constantly guarding her food and wasn't doing the screeching Mine! thing constantly either. I did try to keep them really busy. We did the pool, sandbox, playground, played dodgeball (my son's idea, lol), etc. There was some two year old type squabbles, but nothing I couldn't handle gently. I did also only have her one night and two days, which I think was alot easier on all of us.
post #19 of 20
Nice! I'm glad it went more smoothly. I bet seeing it in action that she doesn't have to be worried at your place, really really is helping her all around. You're awesome- that's why I you
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Originally Posted by DevaMajka View Post
Nice! I'm glad it went more smoothly. I bet seeing it in action that she doesn't have to be worried at your place, really really is helping her all around. You're awesome- that's why I you

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