CYSS on Fort Hood NOT accepting TX religious excemption

[mountainspring]

This just baffles me. I've been refusing the MMR and HEP A because they are made with fetal cells. I am not against vaccinating, I just don't want the fetal cell vaccines near my children. In 2007 I was able to hand in my religious excemption form here on Ft. Hood, but since then they no longer accept ANY religious excemptions, only medical.

Just doesn't seem right. So my children can't be in child care or do sports activities until they are completely vaxed.

I'm trying desperately to find a doctor who will order the ethical vaccines for me. Despite www.cogforlife.org (great website) which says they are "unavailable in USA"...they CAN be ordered if the doctor wants to!

I have emailed my sister's doctor to find out how I can get my doctor to order to the ethical vaccines, mainly the MMR, Polio, HEPA made without aborted babies. That just creeps me out...not to mention the link b/w aborted fetal cell vaccines and autism...etc. Quite a lot to worry about.

Just wanted to post and see if anyone else here in the Ft. Hood, TX are or on another military base had a similar issue.
Thanks.

[Emmeline II]

Read this thread; if necessary you may have to take it to the IG.

My Vax Waivers (US Army)
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...7#post15434397

Remember that you are a civilian, your children are civilians, and that they are not disease infested swamp things <img name="graphics1" width="16" align="bottom" border="0" height="16">). Also, as a civilian you can be Wiccan or Catholic and still be "opposed to the practice of immunization". The Chaplain can govern the exemptions of service members but not dependents. If you have a sympathetic person in your dh's chain of command you may want to take them to any meetings; in any case you will want a witness and to write down what they have told you immediately afterwards.


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MOTHERING THREAD
http://www.mothering.com/discussions/member.php?u=51507


DODEA

http://www.dodea.edu/foia/iod/pdf/2942.pdf

DoDEA Manual 2942.0 March 2004/DoDEA Health Service Guide, DS Manual 2942.0



On page 33, Section F2 Immunizations:

"Religious — A child’s parent or guardian may claim exemption for religious
reasons. If the parent maintains the need to continue the religious exemption
during a documented outbreak of a contagious disease, the student will be
excluded from school for his or her protection and the safety of the other
students until the contagious period is over. Religious exemptions require a
written statement from the parent stating that he or she objects to the
vaccination based upon personal beliefs. "

cubbbyaf

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...3#post15350333
http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?p=15267772#post15267772

For the Dodea form:

http://www.dodea.edu/docs/forms/form_dodea2943.pdf


On this DODea form I put the following:


Quote:
To Whom It May Concern:

In accordance with ARS 15-873, we certify that we have received information about immunizations provided by the department of health services, we understand the risks and benefits of immunizations and the potential risks and benefits of non-immunization; and due to religious/personal beliefs, we do not consent to the immunization of our child, *child's name*.


Sincerely,

your name

After turning that in the Director thought I was crazy and that would never go though and I told her it was in the regs and I could show her, so The next day I brough in with the appropriate sections highlighted the Army Regulation 40-562 (also Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard, but reg number) with the sections highlighted that said on pg 10 of the reg in section3-2 b. (4):

(4) Department of Defense schoolteachers, daycare center workers, and children attending DOD–sponsored schools
and daycare centers or similar facilities on military installations. As a condition of employment or attendance at these
facilities, schoolteachers, childcare center workers, volunteers, and children attending DOD–sponsored primary and
secondary schools, childcare centers, or similar facilities are administered appropriate vaccines against communicable
diseases unless already immune (based on documented receipt of vaccine series or physician–diagnosed illness) or
medically/administratively exempt. For rubella, immunity is based only on documentation of immunization or laboratory
evidence of immunity. Administer influenza vaccine annually to schoolteachers, daycare workers, and volunteers.
In addition, all other age appropriate ACIP–recommended vaccines for children are required unless there is documentation
of previous immunization, religious exemption, or medical contraindication. Installation medical staff will collaborate
with DOD school and daycare center authorities to ensure effective immunization screening procedures. LocalMTFs will appoint liaisons to these facilities to ensure understanding and compliance. For foreign–national children
outside the United States, observe host country recommendations or requirements.

and...

Paragraph 3-2.b.(4) at the bottom of page 10 of

Army Regulation 40–562
BUMEDINST 6230.15A
AFJI 48–110
CG COMDTINST M6230.4F:
http://www.vaccines.mil/documents/969r40_562.pdf
specifically states, "Department of Defense schoolteachers, daycare center workers, and children attending DOD–sponsored schools
and daycare centers or similar facilities on military installations. As a condition of employment or attendance at these
facilities, schoolteachers, childcare center workers, volunteers, and children attending DOD–sponsored primary and
secondary schools, childcare centers, or similar facilities are administered appropriate vaccines against communicable
diseases unless already immune (based on documented receipt of vaccine series or physician–diagnosed illness) or
medically/administratively exempt. "

ARMY
Army Regulation 40–562
BUMEDINST 6230.15A
AFJI 48–110
CG COMDTINST M6230.4F

http://www.vaccines.mil/documents/969r40_562.pdf
pg. 10, section 3.2, para 4 says:

In addition, all other age appropriate ACIP–recommended vaccines for children are required unless there is documentation of previous immunization, religious exemption, or medical contraindication.

Army Regulation 608-10

http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r608_10.pdf
4-6
(2) A waiver of the immunization requirement must be approved in writing by the Chief, Preventive Medicine or
health consultant. Parents must be counseled that children with waivers will be excluded from the program in the event
of vaccine preventable communicable disease outbreak.


C–37. Compliance item 15.

c. Equivalency. A waiver of immunizations signed by Chief, Preventive Medicine may be considered for religious
convictions. Parents must be counseled that the child may be excluded during an outbreak of vaccine preventable
communicable disease.



Army Dependent Exemption Memos


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United States> Code of Federal Regulations> Title 29 - Labor> CHAPTER XIV--EQUAL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY COMMISSION

29 C.F.R. PART 1605—GUIDELINES ON DISCRIMINATION BECAUSE OF RELIGION

§ 1605.1 “Religious” nature of a practice or belief.
In most cases whether or not a practice or belief is religious is not at issue. However, in those cases in which the issue does exist, the Commission will define religious practices to include moral or ethical beliefs as to what is right and wrong which are sincerely held with the strength of traditional religious views. This standard was developed in United States v. Seeger, 380 U.S. 163 (1965) and Welsh v. United States, 398 U.S. 333 (1970). The Commission has consistently applied this standard in its decisions.1 The fact that no religious group espouses such beliefs or the fact that the religious group to which the individual professes to belong may not accept such belief will not determine whether the belief is a religious belief of the employee or prospective employee. The phrase “religious practice” as used in these Guidelines includes both religious observances and practices, as stated in section 701(j), 42 U.S.C. 2000e(j).




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[mommy401]

The head nurse that works with the cheif of preventative medicine on Fort Drum claims he can and does require a letter from your preist/pastor stating it is against your religious beliefs to vaccinate, because the reg doesnt state whether you need it or not, he can interpret it how he feels its meant to be read? She gave me a hard time, wouldnt even make an appointment to see me. This was back in like June and we're new here so I just gave up. But Im thinking of fighting it now.

[Fyrestorm]

Originally Posted by mommy401

The head nurse that works with the cheif of preventative medicine on Fort Drum claims he can and does require a letter from your preist/pastor stating it is against your religious beliefs to vaccinate, because the reg doesnt state whether you need it or not, he can interpret it how he feels its meant to be read? She gave me a hard time, wouldnt even make an appointment to see me. This was back in like June and we're new here so I just gave up. But Im thinking of fighting it now.

From Emmelin's post siting DoDEA Manual 2942.0 March 2004/DoDEA Health Service Guide, DS Manual 2942.0

Religious exemptions require a
written statement from the parent stating that he or she objects to the
vaccination based upon personal beliefs. "

It very specifically states parents. If the military meant anything else, it would have said so with a 30 page document describing in minute detail exactly what would qualify.

[Emmeline II]

Originally Posted by mommy401

The head nurse that works with the cheif of preventative medicine on Fort Drum claims he can and does require a letter from your preist/pastor stating it is against your religious beliefs to vaccinate, because the reg doesnt state whether you need it or not, he can interpret it how he feels its meant to be read? She gave me a hard time, wouldnt even make an appointment to see me. This was back in like June and we're new here so I just gave up. But Im thinking of fighting it now.

If there is anything I learned in the military (as the member), it is that if it is not in writing/in the regulation then the benefit/requirement doesn't exist.

If she refuses to speak to you or insists on adding to the regulations then go over her head, up to the IG if necessary. In the "I'm not vax.." forum there is an AF spouse who did file an IG complaint over the exemption issue.



The first half is my military daycare info; the second half is what I have collected regarding PCSing un/undervaxed dependents.


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"Remember that you can file ICE reports online for ANY bad and good experiences you have at any military facility (military doctor, the commissary, exchange, etc.). They will always follow up on your report and try to remedy the situation. The ICE system is done through DOD and stands for Interactive Customer Evaluation."
http://ice.disa.mil/


MOTHERING THREAD
http://www.mothering.com/discussions/member.php?u=51507


DODEA

http://www.dodea.edu/foia/iod/pdf/2942.pdf

DoDEA Manual 2942.0 March 2004/DoDEA Health Service Guide, DS Manual 2942.0



On page 33, Section F2 Immunizations:

"Religious — A child’s parent or guardian may claim exemption for religious
reasons. If the parent maintains the need to continue the religious exemption
during a documented outbreak of a contagious disease, the student will be
excluded from school for his or her protection and the safety of the other
students until the contagious period is over. Religious exemptions require a
written statement from the parent stating that he or she objects to the
vaccination based upon personal beliefs. "

cubbbyaf

http://www.mothering.com/discussions...3#post15350333
http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?p=15267772#post15267772

For the Dodea form:

http://www.dodea.edu/docs/forms/form_dodea2943.pdf


On this DODea form I put the following:


Quote:
To Whom It May Concern:

In accordance with ARS 15-873, we certify that we have received information about immunizations provided by the department of health services, we understand the risks and benefits of immunizations and the potential risks and benefits of non-immunization; and due to religious/personal beliefs, we do not consent to the immunization of our child, *child's name*.


Sincerely,

your name

After turning that in the Director thought I was crazy and that would never go though and I told her it was in the regs and I could show her, so The next day I brought in with the appropriate sections highlighted the Army Regulation 40-562 (also Air Force, Marines and Coast Guard, but reg number) with the sections highlighted that said on pg 10 of the reg in section3-2 b. (4):

(4) Department of Defense schoolteachers, daycare center workers, and children attending DOD–sponsored schools
and daycare centers or similar facilities on military installations. As a condition of employment or attendance at these
facilities, schoolteachers, childcare center workers, volunteers, and children attending DOD–sponsored primary and
secondary schools, childcare centers, or similar facilities are administered appropriate vaccines against communicable
diseases unless already immune (based on documented receipt of vaccine series or physician–diagnosed illness) or
medically/administratively exempt. For rubella, immunity is based only on documentation of immunization or laboratory
evidence of immunity. Administer influenza vaccine annually to schoolteachers, daycare workers, and volunteers.
In addition, all other age appropriate ACIP–recommended vaccines for children are required unless there is documentation
of previous immunization, religious exemption, or medical contraindication. Installation medical staff will collaborate
with DOD school and daycare center authorities to ensure effective immunization screening procedures. LocalMTFs will appoint liaisons to these facilities to ensure understanding and compliance. For foreign–national children
outside the United States, observe host country recommendations or requirements.

and...

Paragraph 3-2.b.(4) at the bottom of page 10 of

Army Regulation 40–562
BUMEDINST 6230.15A
AFJI 48–110
CG COMDTINST M6230.4F:
http://www.vaccines.mil/documents/969r40_562.pdf
specifically states, "Department of Defense schoolteachers, daycare center workers, and children attending DOD–sponsored schools
and daycare centers or similar facilities on military installations. As a condition of employment or attendance at these
facilities, schoolteachers, childcare center workers, volunteers, and children attending DOD–sponsored primary and
secondary schools, childcare centers, or similar facilities are administered appropriate vaccines against communicable
diseases unless already immune (based on documented receipt of vaccine series or physician–diagnosed illness) or
medically/administratively exempt. "

ARMY
Army Regulation 40–562
BUMEDINST 6230.15A
AFJI 48–110
CG COMDTINST M6230.4F

http://www.vaccines.mil/documents/969r40_562.pdf
pg. 10, section 3.2, para 4 says:

In addition, all other age appropriate ACIP–recommended vaccines for children are required unless there is documentation of previous immunization, religious exemption, or medical contraindication.

Army Regulation 608-10

http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r608_10.pdf
Child Development Services
4-6
(2) A waiver of the immunization requirement must be approved in writing by the Chief, Preventive Medicine or
health consultant. Parents must be counseled that children with waivers will be excluded from the program in the event
of vaccine preventable communicable disease outbreak.


C–37. Compliance item 15.

c. Equivalency. A waiver of immunizations signed by Chief, Preventive Medicine may be considered for religious
convictions. Parents must be counseled that the child may be excluded during an outbreak of vaccine preventable
communicable disease.



Army Dependent Exemption Memos

[mommy401]

Originally Posted by Fyrestorm

From Emmelin's post siting DoDEA Manual 2942.0 March 2004/DoDEA Health Service Guide, DS Manual 2942.0
It very specifically states parents. If the military meant anything else, it would have said so with a 30 page document describing in minute detail exactly what would qualify.

Thank you!! Thats exactly what I wanted to have when I go in today!

And thank you Emmeline II!!
I think Im all set to head over there right now. When I called yesterday to speak to that nurse again, someone else answered her line and when I inquired about the exemption she told me I just need to fill out a "Exception to policy" form and then bring any supporting documents to go with it and its a good idea to bring a letter from my pastor or preist, and they will forward it on to the people that approve it. She made it sound too easy and last go around I was never told of this exception to policy form? I have a feeling the people they "forward it on to" is the nurse I spoke with before :/ But this time Im not giving up!! If a parents signature is all thats required for the exemption for a DoDea SCHOOL then why would it not be acceptable for CYSS? They just dont make any sense!

[LoveMyboys717]

I am also having trouble with not-vaxing at Fort Hood. I have been told it is now procedure for a religious exemption to first have a pastor or clergyman sign a notarized form stating it is your religious belief (can not be a Chaplin) and then you must cite church doctrine. Also this doctrine is not allowed to be the Bible and she told me when people have cited bible scripture in the past it was rejected and they say it is because immunizations were not around when the Bible was written so it must be a church doctrine which includes specifics (she stated such a scientology where they have a doctrine regarding nothing being put into the body and how it cites some concepts of current medicine). There is about a 30 day waiting period or longer to see if it is approved, which she told me she has seen non approved since this all was changed last year and one has been still in official review for even longer, which is one citing the Bible as a reason because of the fetal cells. Because I work on post I really had hoped to get him in a CDC but they are making this impossible now.

Has anyone else had any luck especially at Fort Hood that perhaps I don't know about. I did see the part in In DoDEA Manual 2942.0 March 2004/DoDEA Health Service Guide, DS Manual 2942.0 where it states a relgious exemption requires a parent statement but what about the Chief, Preventive Medicine, or Health Consultant?

(2) A waiver of the immunization requirement must be approved in writing by the Chief, Preventive Medicine or
health consultant. Parents must be counseled that children with waivers will be excluded from the program in the event
of vaccine preventable communicable disease outbreak."

Any more information or advice would be helpful. Thank you

[purpleheather79]

I have found that you will hear 10 different stories from each person you ask.  I tried to register my children in CYSS in GA and was flat out denied.  My husband was deployed and I only wanted a few hours of respite care.  Now I am in WA and again, we have been told different stories.  I brought in documentation and was told that it was fine.  Then a second person said that we could not register our children.  My husband is home now and I just wanted to sign my daughters up for a ballet class.  I don't understand why it is such a monumental task!  If anyone has been successful in registering children in CYSS with an exemption in the last 6 months, can you let me know?  I'm being told that they stopped accepting exemptions 6 months ago and I just do not believe that at all.