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constant (sometimes obnoxious) requests to nurse at age 2.5

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
My DD, age 31 months, LOVES to nurse. I have no problem to continuing as long as she wants to, but we're running into two problems:

1) She asks to nurse extremely frequently, even if I'm not there. She asks my (male) partner, her babysitter, and her grandparents. And of course, she asks me all through the day. Since she asks so frequently, 9 out of 10 times that she asks, she doesn't get to nurse. Of course everyone has to tell her, "You can nurse later when you're with Mama." And most of the time she asks me I say things like, "We'll nurse when we get home" (if I'm driving a car), "We're getting ready for bed now and we'll nurse after you're in your pajamas," or "I can't nurse while I'm giving the cat his medicine, but after I finish we can nurse." She is generally quite accepting of all the "no"s and "later"s she gets. But she still asks enough that DP is getting tired of it. He is super-supportive of breastfeeding, but starting to say maybe we should wean to put an end to the constant requests.

I should clarify that I did nurse her on demand for a LONG time (probably 18 to 24 months). Asking her to delay so frequently is a more recent development -- but it's not like it's a new change!

2) Often when she asks me to nurse, she is quite obnoxious about it, yelling, "Num-num! Num-num! Num-num NOW!" I tell her she needs to ask more nicely, and talk in a regular voice. Then she says, "Please,", and I say, "Oh, that's better." Sometimes I go on to say (for her), "Mama, could I please nurse now?" and she'll then repeat this. But it doesn't seem to matter that I don't respond to the obnoxious requests -- she still does it a lot. Recently she did this repeatedly in front of our most nursing-skeptical relatives, and I'll admit to being really embarrassed. If anything would turn someone off from nursing beyond infancy, it's a rude, demanding, nursing toddler. She does not request ANYTHING else in the world in this tone of voice, only nursing.

I've thought about responding to the obnoxious demands by saying, "I don't like when you ask to nurse that way. We can't nurse now because you didn't ask nicely. Later you can try asking me more nicely." But I don't think that will work -- I think it will lead to fury and outrage, which will take a long time to settle from and result in ever-more-desperate pleading to "num-num." If she were 4 or 5, I can imagine a kid going away and coming back in 2 or 3 minutes to try asking again more nicely. But I'm not convinced she is developmentally capable of even remembering the thought that long -- at this age she gets distracted so easily.

Can anyone offer suggestions for either (related) problem? I'm not quite sure how we ended up in this situation -- overall she is an easygoing, mellow kid. It feels like she is just so enthusiastic about nursing that it's taking over. Should I consider telling her we only nurse at certain times of the day (when you wake up, when you come home from the babysitter's house, before bed, etc.) and essentially wean her at all other times?
post #2 of 11
I don't have any advice, but I am interested in reading responses from other mamas who may have been down this path. My 17 month old DD is very, very attached to nursing and not so great with nursing manners. I have a feeling we will be in a similar situation in the not so distant future.
post #3 of 11
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Originally Posted by indigosky View Post
Should I consider telling her we only nurse at certain times of the day (when you wake up, when you come home from the babysitter's house, before bed, etc.) and essentially wean her at all other times?
That's what I did with both of mine and it worked great (after an adjustment period where I had to consistently refuse. Gently but firmly, every single time)

With DS I did it sometime after 18 mos I think and with DD I did it sometime after a year. I did it earlier with DD to preserve our nursing relationship. Or rather, to preserve my love of it! I got very turned off nursing from nursing my son on demand for too long for my comfort.
post #4 of 11
Your daughter should play with my 3 year olds! I've been feeling like perhaps we should wean because I feel like we fight about nursing all. day. long.

My twins are 3 and ask to nurse so often and when we should be doing other things. One gets to the point of yelling "Nurse now" and hitting me. I even got a "poopy mommy no nurse" once. I also get lots of "I have a boo-boo so I need to nurse."

I think we've gotten into a vicious cycle of me being resentful, them feeling it, and then needing to nurse because of the bad feelings.

I'm hoping someone else with a btdt will chime in. I didn't clw with my older kids (each nursed about 2.5 years until I said enough) but with the twins being my last I assumed I'd do it "right" this time.
post #5 of 11
Thread Starter 
I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one! Given how few responses this thread has gotten, I'm beginning to think it's not particularly common.

For the last few days I've been trying to be extremely clear about when the next time we will nurse will be (whether that's "before bed" or "as soon as I finish giving the cat his medicine"). I'm also telling her in advance when we won't be nursing at extracurricular activities, and she's doing surprisingly well with that. Of course I make exceptions for real injuries and sadness -- nursing is so amazing for recovery from any trauma!

We have a long way to go but I think we're headed in the right direction. Still VERY interested in others' experiences, particularly those who have been there done that!
post #6 of 11
Actually, I think it *is* a common problem - I've heard so many mama friends worry about this. It is a problem for me, too. I just don't know of any solutions that "stick" other than weaning. I am getting ready to wean my 21 month old son because I find it to be incredibly obnoxious and stressful. I have admitted this to friends and I get a lot of judgment about it -- you need to work on your stress level, breathe through it, how can you take that away from him, etc etc. No. At some point I think we can say we have had a beautiful nursing relationship, it is on the verge of becoming not so beautiful because I am getting resentful, I've pushed through this feeling of resentment for 4-5 months now and I don't think I need to keep "working through it," so let's find a way to gently and lovingly end the nursing so we can move on together and not be stuck on this really demanding behavior.

But I'm really open to hearing other ideas on this thread!
post #7 of 11
Thread Starter 
Interesting. I find that I personally don't mind it much and don't find it stressful, but it's stressing out other people (both DP and relatives), and THAT'S the part that's hard for me.

I guess for me it comes down to this: It's harder to defend to the world the choice to nurse beyond age 2 when the nursling seems poorly behaved.

Will her behavior change if we last to 3? If I heard a lot of people say so, I think that information would help DP feel like there's a light at the end of the tunnel (even if it's 5 months away).
post #8 of 11
My 28-month DD is the same way--wants to nurse on demand all the time and asks constantly, often rudely--and my LLL leader gave me some suggestions that really helped.

The most effective one, rather to my surprise, was a nursing chair. She suggested that I pick a specific chair that we use for nursing, and ONLY nurse in that. I wasn't up for limiting it to certain times of day, because, well, DD was nursing so often still and I just didn't know if she was going to be able to wait that long all the time. I was worried I couldn't enforce it. But limiting it to one place I felt like I could handle. So I created the new rule that we ONLY nurse in that chair. DD has to go over to the chair (so she's not clinging to me and grabbing/hitting me) and say, "Mommy, may I have milk please?" The first day, I said yes immediately every time she asked, and then I'd go over to the chair and nurse for pretty much as long as she wanted, to establish the habit. Now (it's been a few weeks) I sometimes say no even if she asked nicely (generally because she just finished nursing ten minutes before and my boobs still hurt).

But since I created the nursing chair rule, DD has nursed in public maybe two times (it's been a couple of weeks! she used to nurse in public every day!!!) and she's been much, much more polite about it. She still has times when she claws at me and screams, but then when I say, "Where do we go when we want to nurse?" she immediately stops, runs to the chair, and says politely, "May I have milk please?"

The second thing that has helped me is finding something else to comfort her. I really didn't think I was going to be able to do that, because she has been ONLY EVER comforted by boobs pretty much her entire life, and honestly I'm not quite sure how I found our alternative...it kind of just happened as I tried different things. But anyway, what I do now is rock her like a baby (cradling her in my arms ) and sing rock-a-bye-baby. This actually worked today after she bumped her head!!! (She fell immediately after nursing, so I really didn't want to nurse her again...!) But anyway, she loves nursery rhymes, and she always sings rock-a-bye-baby to her stuffed animals and dolls when they're "crying", so somehow it started working for her too. I guess I just kept trying alternatives other than nursing when she was upset until I hit on something that calmed her, and now I can always try that first. It helps...

Oh, and my DD asks other people to nurse too. Her teacher (Montessori preschool) has a nursling (10 months old), and whenever her teacher is nursing the baby, apparently DD goes over to her and says, "Mmm! Milk! mmm..." while gazing at her boobs hopefully.

Some other techniques I've used are counting to ten. I'll tell her we'll count to ten on one boobie and then ten on the other boobie, and then it's time for [fill in the blank]. Something attractive--usually a snack. That works really well sometimes, because she's so into routine, so knowing what to expect really helps her, and usually she'll happily latch off and say, "Snaaaaaaack!" while running toward her table.

I think there are a lot of ways to limit it without stopping entirely. I was seriously wanting to wean, even though I couldn't fathom how I could possibly get there from where we were because DD was so obviously nowhere near ready, but now I'm starting to feel like maybe I could enjoy this for longer. I just wish I could nightwean her! But setting limits at night is so much more exhausting than just rolling over and pulling out a boob...sigh.
post #9 of 11
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the ideas, Lisavark!

I have a question for you about your nursing chair: does your home have more than one level/floor? I'm thinking that if we created a nursing chair it should be in DD's room, since we nurse when she first wakes up and before bed (and occasionally in the middle of the night if she has a bad dream). But much of the time she's begging to nurse it's in the kitchen, which is downstairs from her bedroom. Maybe we'd need a nursing chair on each level?

I also wanted to say that regarding nightweaning, I don't know how often your daughter nurses during the night now, but it wouldn't surprise me if she nightweaned herself in the not-too-distant future. I posted a question about when I could expect this to happen here: http://www.mothering.com/discussions...ever+nightwean and got an interesting variety of answers. DD started sleeping through the night on her own around 30 months (and I would never have predicted that 2 months before it happened!).
post #10 of 11
I am very interested in this topic because I too see myself in this position before too long. I'd say we are 1/2 way there now. DD, 19 months does NOT (knock wood) ask frequently but I am pretty sure I have a bruise on my chest from where she pokes me and says "mi, mi...pease, pease". Manners aren't the problem but the poking and the insanity that follows (if I say no she freaks out and if I say yes she is so happy it's almost scary ). I really liked the ideas from Lisavark too but also have a question - does the nursing chair apply to night nursing as well? I don't imagine it does based on your statement about how frequently you nurse at night but wasn't sure. Getting out of bed all night might push me over the edge. Also, would you have a suggestion for this situation - I take my daughter to work with me as a Nanny/Household Manager so we spend most of our waking hours during the week at work (50+hours) - do I have a nursing chair at home and one at work? I know we aren't to this point yet but like I said, I anticipate it for sure!
post #11 of 11
We are moving in this direction. So far what I have been doing (I'm trying to catch it before it becomes a serious habit) is that when she is rude/demanding about getting milk I tell her, "I am not going to nurse when you are rude." Then I walk away. Sometimes she cries but she isn't really one for fits. When she cries I will give her a hug and tell her that I love her, but rude behavior is not rewarded. Then I get up again and go do something else for a while. This has cut it down to her asking rudely every few days. For the constant asking I tell her that my nipples hurt and they need a break. She's fairly good about it so far. I do a lot of crossing my fingers that this doesn't become a huge problem when the new baby gets here.
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