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post #81 of 129
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Expat-Mama In the Midwifery Today E-News I got today, there was an interesting tidbit about estimating a baby's weight:

"Estimating Fetal Weight

Russian midwives estimate fetal weight by using this trick: multiply the girth of the pregnant mom’s belly by her fundal height, using centimeters. The estimated fetal weight will be in kilograms. Girth x fundal height = fetal weight.

— Jill Cohen
Excerpted from Midwifery Today’s Wisdom of the Midwives, Tricks of the Trade, Vol. II"
(July 7, 2010 Volume 12, Issue 14Midwifery Today E-News “Prenatal Care”)

I dunno how accurate THAT is either, based on it I'm supposed to have a 9 lbs 6 oz baby. I wonder, if you did that little test, how your own measurements would compare to what the doctor said.

Yeah, it's so frustrating that they're pushing for induction. What does your gut tell you? It sounds like you want to keep hanging on... there certainly is a lot of info out there WRT dates and how long to go. Like Amynf1 said, stats say most first time moms have their babies 41+ wks. This may be your week... Interesting how you observed the OB writing down "non-reassuring NST" -- to make the case for his argument. Hopefully someone here has some ready advice or words of wisdom about induction and waiting.

Terrilein - ugh, it doesn't sound like you're having any fun right now!!! Swelling, vomiting, etc. I really hope your time is coming soon so you will have relief from all these sensations!!! I hear you on the annoying bugs. They're so.... invasive. Did you have to throw out a bunch of food?

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I am looking out the window and see a quarter moon. I am thinking about our bodies and how ripe we are to have our babies... soon...

Tonight I had some sensations that felt early labour-ish but they petered out after a couple of hours. Dh was pacing around cleaning up and stuff. Tomorrow I'm supposed to be home alone with the kids as my mom and dad have plans. Dh is supposed to be at work. I am glad the laboury feelings went away for now and really hope I don't go into labour while everyone is gone tomorrow. Of course, we'd cope but...

Tonight I put in a cheesy old 80's video called, "Birth: A Family Affair". Dd1 and dd2 were puttering around watching TV with me and colouring, playing. Dd1 didn't like to hear the Mama intensely moaning around transition and pushing. She wanted me to turn it off. I honoured her wishes and chatted with her a bit about the pushing sound -- comparing it to pushing something that's heavy. It was instructive to see her reaction, and now I'm even more comfortable with the thought of not having her at the birth because I honestly don't think she'd be comfortable at it.

Blathering on... sorry... it's 4:38 a.m. where I live and this is my usual nighttime insomnia for an hour or so. Peeing tons (every hour or something) and HUNGRY. I am happy to announce I've shifted my diet back to a more nutritious and varied menu.

CoBabyMaker - that granola sounds yummy!
post #82 of 129
[QUOTE=Surfacing;15599711]"Estimating Fetal Weight

Russian midwives estimate fetal weight by using this trick: multiply the girth of the pregnant mom’s belly by her fundal height, using centimeters. The estimated fetal weight will be in kilograms. Girth x fundal height = fetal weight.


Blathering on... sorry... it's 4:38 a.m. where I live and this is my usual nighttime insomnia for an hour or so. Peeing tons (every hour or something) and HUNGRY. I am happy to announce I've shifted my diet back to a more nutritious and varied menu.

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Well I just did your little test and it came out at 9lbs 7oz which is funny because everyone tells me how small I am and the midwife says more like 7lbs acc to palpating.
Come on Mamas, do it too and we can compare when the babies arrive

Also awake usually between 3am-4am here. Every night now I go to bed with a granola bar, a banana and a mug of RRL tea.

I hope you don't go into labour when you're home alone...that would be Murphy's Law though!
post #83 of 129
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Yes, please! And one to go, too. How does he make them??? Would he share his recipe with a poor, preggo expat???

ETA: Ugh, forgot to post about me. Woke up just past 4 am this morning with major cramps. Found nasty bugs in one kitchen cabinet and after inspecting the others we discovered that every one was infested. I was . . . not happy. Totally stressed and hormonal. After dd got home from school we did some baby shopping - the first time together all this pregnancy! But I'm paying for it. Baby is kicking up a storm and it's really uncomfortable, causing more cramping. My feet are totally ballooned and feel like someone used a hammer on them. Every time I need to pee, only a few teaspoons come out, followed by a definite feeling that the baby is sinking further - there's so much pressure everywhere, even rectally. The worst is when I start coughing for what ever reason - it makes me vomit. Tonite I had the pleasure of having one of those coughing jags in front of DP and DD and both just stood/sat there and watched for some time before figuring out that I was trying not to vomit all over the couch and floor (I was lying on the couch) and ask if I needed a bucket or something. *sigh* I really wanted to send them both to the moon . . .
Terri - You poor woman! You must be desperate to not be pregnant with all that yuckiness going on
post #84 of 129
Ugh, the bugs. I googled yesterday and found out that they're red flour beetles - they don't trasmit any diseases and are just yucky. So that's good. We cleaned out each cabinet and did throw away a lot of food just in case though. Funny enough, the bugs prefered the dry cat food which was still just sitting around in a box in the "cat cabinet" - the last cabinet at the far end of the kitchen. That's where the infestation was worst. And from there they went through each cabinet on the right side. I also found them in the bread box below on the counter below those cabinets so I got to toss a freshly baked loaf of bread out, too. I'm not too upset. Almost every summer I get hit with moths - they're flying around here, too - and I put up several traps to keep them from doing any damage. But when I do find larvae anywhere I toss, toss, toss. It sucks, but it's just so unappetizing to think what might be in your rice . . . We went to McD's afterwards with dd for lunch and then did some baby shopping.
We are now set for any sleeping situation with this loved one: We have a used pack 'n' play with a new mattress, a sidecar and a moses basket that hangs from the ceiling - well, it will, as soon as I can take down my sling that's hanging there for the homebirth.
Yesterday I thought we might have the baby sometime in the night. I was feeling "off", had to pee much, much more than usual with lots of cramping and pressure . . . just no contractions. Oh, well. I see my mw tomorrow, but won't be getting an internal exam as she doesn't do them - what's the point? It's no indication of when you're gonna go. But I would like to know if and how much progress I'm making on the effacement/dialation front. It would really make me feel better to know that I've got a good head start and won't be laboring 40+ hours again. I'd really like a short birth with good contractions this time.

ETA: and can anyone explain my obsession with olives, please???
post #85 of 129
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DH is really supportive and has read everything I've read and we're of the same mind about it. But it's all just starting to wear me down and now I'm even more stressed and losing faith in a natural birth in my future no matter what I do.
Any words of support or advice is welcome.
It's great that your DH is on the same page as you.
Have you got an idea of what your comfort level is in terms of waiting e.g 42 wks, 42+? days, 43 wks?

I know your Mum is there but is there anywhere you can go and get a massage and drift off to la-la-relaxation land?

Anyday now Mama
post #86 of 129
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Originally Posted by Surfacing View Post
Expat-Mama In the Midwifery Today E-News I got today, there was an interesting tidbit about estimating a baby's weight:

"Estimating Fetal Weight

Russian midwives estimate fetal weight by using this trick: multiply the girth of the pregnant mom’s belly by her fundal height, using centimeters. The estimated fetal weight will be in kilograms. Girth x fundal height = fetal weight.

— Jill Cohen
Excerpted from Midwifery Today’s Wisdom of the Midwives, Tricks of the Trade, Vol. II"
(July 7, 2010 Volume 12, Issue 14Midwifery Today E-News “Prenatal Care”)
By this calculation my baby should weigh 4.5 kg which would be a huge kiddo! The mw at the clinic (where we'll transfer should something go wrong with the housebirth) on Tuesday estimated (by touch) the baby to be 3.8 kg. That's a huge difference!!!
post #87 of 129
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Originally Posted by Surfacing View Post
Expat-Mama In the Midwifery Today E-News I got today, there was an interesting tidbit about estimating a baby's weight:

"Estimating Fetal Weight

Russian midwives estimate fetal weight by using this trick: multiply the girth of the pregnant mom’s belly by her fundal height, using centimeters. The estimated fetal weight will be in kilograms. Girth x fundal height = fetal weight.

— Jill Cohen
Excerpted from Midwifery Today’s Wisdom of the Midwives, Tricks of the Trade, Vol. II"
(July 7, 2010 Volume 12, Issue 14Midwifery Today E-News “Prenatal Care”)

hahahaha, oh....

4.875kg or 10.7lbs

i really don't think it's that big. MW palpated last week and said 3.7kg which was about what my first was at 41w1d gestation. My belly is actually smaller this time around than the first time but I carry really big. I'm posting some belly pics next, we had a few family/maternity shots done the other week before my Blessingway.
post #88 of 129
Hi mamas! This thread is growing fast - I start to type a response at the beginning of the day -and it's out of date by the time I come back a few hours later to finish! Lots of us waiting...waiting...hoping.

Terrilien - I'm so sorry you're in soooo much discomfort - and it sounds like one thing on top of another with your home & family. Hope you can find some peace amongst the chaos.

I'm not going to measure for baby weight estimate - just going to go with "it will probably not be huge" given DD's size & the size of my belly. I'm going to guess maybe around 7 lbs, if I deliver in the next week. DD was 6lb. 8 oz. - a very polite size!

Amyfn1, you've been having some interesting exchanges with Gail/Spinning Babies. I know there are several of you working on positioning - fingers crossed that all your babies get into place! A couple of the docs & the midwife at the practice said that most babies don't choose their position until labor begins, and threw some stats at me - I don't remember the specifics. But it certainly makes sense to me that pelvic & uterus shape also impact positioning. I am fairly sure DD was OP when I started labor, but she came out face down. I labored on my hands & knees the whole time b/c I started with back labor, and that ended up being my fave position.

Expat-mama, just sending you vibes of support. Go with your gut, find your peace. Is your mother there? How is that going?

I know there are also a couple of you waiting for your DH/DP to return - hope your babies cooperate!

SomeGirl - glad that you are experiencing rest & relaxation, and able to let go of what I call "stress addiction". It is too easy to become addicted to the adrenaline & whatever else that keeps us going every day, with not enough rest, relaxation, stress relief. Enjoy the quiet time, and healthy, growing baby vibes your way!

AFM...

38+3. DD was born on 39+5, so I'm having a reallllllly hard time not expecting this one to do the same! The midwife I saw yesterday didn't help - she was too encouraging, saying this baby will probably come in the next few days...based on history, and what she calls "aggressive braxton-hicks". I don't believe her - I think she was just trying to be supportive. No internal exams here, so I have no idea how dilated/effaced I may or may not be. Last I checked, I think my cervix was still fairly posterior.

This kiddo is way down low for sure. I guess they can't tell if it's "engaged" without an internal?

That said - every night when I go to bed, I am hopeful that it's the night!

It has been HOT here. Any other east coasters? We don't get weather like this often so of course don't have A/C, nor do I want to get it...but ugh. I've slept downstairs last 2 nights b/c it's a little bit cooler, but not much! It has me thinking we ought to finish part of our basement. Last night I finally got a decent night of sleep. I was sooo exhausted when I went to bed, was actually hoping NOT to go into labor, since I want to have good energy going into it.

Also wishing I had more energy to exercise. I may try to do a really easy 20 minutes on the elliptical, just to loosen everything up. I think it's too hot to try yoga tonight.

We've been going down to the river every afternoon - it's lovely, and DD LOVES it!
post #89 of 129
Oreo Malt Milkshake:

2 scoops (3/4-1 cup) Breyers French Vanilla Ice Cream
6 Oreo Cookies, crushed into chunks
2 TBSP Vanilla Malt Powder
1 cup Milk

Put half of oreo crumbles, ice cream, malt, then milk (in that order) into blender. Blend. Add remaining oreo crumble chunks. Enjoy immensely
post #90 of 129
Oh expat how frustrating! They are certaily wrong all the time. My SIL was fooled into an induction on the grounds of a big baby (9lbs+) and had a 7lb13oz baby. This baby we assumed would be like the girls were right around 8 lbs and I am still shocked that he was 9lbs 10oz. And really labor was easier than the girls and delivery was just fine. The only thing I noticed differently in retrospect was that after the head was out with my first two the rest just kinds slooshed out with him it took a good push to get out but I did not have any increased tearing and the recovery has been easy. I just wanted to share a big baby experience just in case the calculations are right. big babies do not = horrible delivery and recovery.
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ETA: and can anyone explain my obsession with olives, please???
OMG me too!!! Ate olives yesterday including a mortadella sandwich on olive bread. Mmmm!
post #92 of 129
sorry you are going through this, expat, but unfortunately this sort of pressure combined with iffy information is not uncommon in medical birthing situations. unfortunately, you did choose this path and here you are, so keep the communication going with your providers.

sometimes babies are 42-44 weeks and come out just perfect and healthy. sometimes the placentas don't last that long, so doing the u/s to check out the placenta is a good idea. i would just say "as long as the placenta and fluid levels look good, i'm not interested in induction, and if my baby wants to be big, then i must be able to birth it." if that's what you believe.

it's hard to tell the difference sometimes between worry and intuition, i know. if you are able to get clear between the two then that'd be great.

keep the faith! you seem so healthy, you look great, and you are doing a good job growing your baby
post #93 of 129
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So I just read everyone's estimates using that calculation and find it hilarious that we're all going to be having 9 and 10 lbs babies! Okay clearly that's not quite right. It was an interesting exercise though!

Sharp cervix cramps here today and random BH. Otherwise nothin'.

Proto - things *are* slowly changing!

ETA - Mataji4 - wise words in your post!
post #94 of 129
Had some "adult time" with DH today, and man oh man did that make for an annoying afternoon! I've had braxton-hicks almost constantly since then, and I had a lot of lower gut/abdominal cramping and pangs for about 4 hours afterwards. Seems to have lessened now - I don't want that kind of cramping unless it's DOING something!

My cervix is anterior & low, but I don't think I'm dilated at all, if I had to guess.

Wowzers. Poor DH - that is probably the last time for months!
post #95 of 129
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I just wanted to share a big baby experience just in case the calculations are right. big babies do not = horrible delivery and recovery.
Thanks for this. I do feel like the baby is big, and he/she LOOKED super chubby (HUGE chipmunk cheeks) on the u/s screen, but that doesn't mean much and I can't really come to any conclusions. But it's nice to hear that big babies can come out just fine- I have to admit, it does scare me a bit.

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i would just say "as long as the placenta and fluid levels look good, i'm not interested in induction, and if my baby wants to be big, then i must be able to birth it." if that's what you believe.

it's hard to tell the difference sometimes between worry and intuition, i know. if you are able to get clear between the two then that'd be great.

keep the faith! you seem so healthy, you look great, and you are doing a good job growing your baby
Thanks... I don't know if I CAN tell the difference between worry and intuition. I am worried that there really might be a point where my desire for a natural birth becomes more selfish and ideological than anything else- I don't know where that line is or if it even exists, but I do worry about it. At the same time, I know the doctor's answer of "just getting baby safely here" is not the safest for the baby nor me. Seems like a really shitty possibility of a rock and a hard place. But I also tend to believe that as long as both the baby and I are healthy then there is nothing wrong. My head is just all over the place right now.

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It's great that your DH is on the same page as you.
Have you got an idea of what your comfort level is in terms of waiting e.g 42 wks, 42+? days, 43 wks?

I know your Mum is there but is there anywhere you can go and get a massage and drift off to la-la-relaxation land?

Anyday now Mama
I've tried to ponder this... how long will I wait? As the days keep passing, I just keep thinking and everyone keeps telling me "the baby has GOT to come tomorrow or the next day"...then another few days go by. I don't know if I can keep doing this. Going in for the NSTs and seeing the doctor is really stessful and unpleasant for me and I'm growing more and more depressed about the whole thing- I really did not want to feel this way right now. My doctor isn't THAT bad about the whole thing- he is respectful and says that this is our baby and my pregnancy and of course the final decision is ours. But he's a nice guy, and he really does believe in all his medical crap and I do think he wants the best for me and the baby. It's just hard having to hear his opinion all the time- basically what he wants to do is what I've wanted to avoid this whole pregnancy.
As far as actual physical comfort, I don't feel too awful. I'm getting a fair amount of sleep and between the cleaning lady, DH and my mom I am pretty pampered around here. I just can't see myself making the decision to induce and everytime I try to discuss it with DH to feel out my own thoughts on it as well as his, he just says "don't even think about that- the baby is coming SOON. Just give it another couple of days." And then another couple of days go by. I feel like it will go on like this forever, but it can't right?

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I dunno how accurate THAT is either, based on it I'm supposed to have a 9 lbs 6 oz baby. I wonder, if you did that little test, how your own measurements would compare to what the doctor said.

Like Amynf1 said, stats say most first time moms have their babies 41+ wks. This may be your week...
OMG 4.4 kg by those screwy russian calculations! That's 9 lbs 11 oz. I'll take the u/s estimate over that one!
I'm hoping I fall right into that nice average of first-timers too. I'd love to have the baby today or tomorrow!

Theoretica- Not the recipe!!!! What are you trying to do to me???

ETA: I decided to try castor oil this morning. Wish me luck! Now I only have to decide how to ingest that nasty stuff...
post #96 of 129
expat, i don't think there's any harm to castor oil- it's one of those "it won't work unless everything is on the edge of labor already" deals. i did it with my first after, remember, 18 days. i took it in a root beer float, as that's what my midwife suggested. ew yuck! i used to love root beer floats! i took it mid day, had diarrhea all evening, and woke up in the a.m. with broken waters and had him 7 hours later. i think swirling it in a cup or orange juice is a much better idea, and reports from friends say it tastes just fine. GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!
post #97 of 129
Oh dear, all this talk about big babies! I'm sitting here with my ten pounder on my chest, nak...She was born in less than 50 minutes and was 9lbs 13 oz at birth. A relatively painfree birth too. I did tear, but it's healing really well and not hurting anymore at 10 days postpartum. Don't fear big babies!! Fat squishes!
post #98 of 129
My mw makes a concoction with the Castor oil that doesn't actually cause horrible diarrhea, according to her. She mixes the oil with orange juice, almond butter and apricots (I think?) anyways, she says this is much gentler, but still as effective. I hope you haven't taken the castor already! I've heard it can be super hard on the digestion. Look into taking this recipe, as I think it'll be a bit easier to handle.
post #99 of 129
Well, life just keeps getting more complicated. I'm not cursed, right? That would be ridiculous and fantastical. WHO IS CURSING ME???!! Put the voodoo doll of my life down already!!!

My husband went on this weeklong river trip on an already bum knee which became much more bummed. He went to the doc today and has scheduled microscopic surgery for Monday- this coming Monday, when I'll be 38 weeks pregnant. Then he will need a few days recovery where I'm doing EVERYTHING (as usual). ugh. I keep thinking "soon it will be my turn to rest and be pampered" but hasn't happened. I guess I'll get to rest after I give birth!! ugh.

I thought I was ready for baby, but I guess not until 39 weeks will I be open to birthing b/c I want my dh to be recovered.

Our fridge died yesterday and we're just finishing getting out the old and in with the new one- what an ordeal!!! I'm off to mop, I guess. boo.
post #100 of 129
Oh Jenny that stinks!!! It WILL be your turn soon, hopefully a nice long turn too. I heard people heal really quickly from microscopic knee surgery since it's not so invasive, so hopefully that's the case and your DH can be there for you more.

Do you remember how much castor oil you took??? I'm wondering if I took enough? (1 oz or two tblspoons)...Should I take more in a couple of hours if nothing happens???
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