Change of Heart - please read - Page 4

[mamadelbosque]

Well, I avoid doctors in general for me and my family but I'm certainly not anti-modern medicine... I eventually went in and got antibiotics when I had strep earlier this year, and my boys do well checks for the frist few months anyhow, we just skip the vaxes.

I'm not particularly afraid of the vaxes - I just really don't think they work all that well, and I am completely well aware that they (just like *EVERY OTHER DRUG*!!) do have side effects - some minor (swelling), and some major (guillian barre). Dismissing those as non existant or unlikely isn't helpful. I'm definetly not afraid of the VPDs - would I worry if one of my boys got chickenpox or mumps or measles or pertussis? Of course. But that doesn't mean I'm worried enough to run out and expose them to something else and its very real risks as well. Theres risk in everything we do or don't do in life. You just have to decide for yourself what risk your more willing to take - that of a vax reaction or of the risk of getting disease X... and its possible reactions/complications. Me, personally? I'm more comfy running the risk of disease X.

[danalyn]

• Research the potential dangers from the illnesses, and also how to treat them if they are contracted

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• See if you can find any information anywhere on how much protection she got from being partially vaxed- just because the peds recomend 3-4 doses does NOT automatically mean that your child actually needs that many to minimize her chances of contracting those specific diseases.

Could someone please let me know where I can find info on those topics....
thanks!

ETA: I just love this thread!!! "It" is keeping me from getting anything done right now.... just kidding. I know what i'll be reading tonight after my kids are sleeping....

[Iucounu]

Originally Posted by Angela512

And with all of that "evidence" that vaccines "work"...there are just as many, if not more, instances in which people have been harmed by vaccines.

No. I'm sorry, but that statement is completely untrue and not based on facts. You are seriously stating that that more people are harmed by vaccines than helped by them?

[danalyn]

Awesome response....

Originally Posted by MyFillingQuiver

I find this whole post to be inflammatory towards those who don't need to have everything "proven" beyond a reasonable doubt for it to be a valid choice. Your wording of "anti-vax zealots" would likely include me. I haven't read every controlled study, or every article attempting to support or debunk the anti-vax stance, but I have a peace over the information I have read. I likely would appear very much a "zealot" to you, as I cannot quote the latest research either way, and none of us get vaccinated, or routinely go to the pediatrician/DR; and as you mentioned above, I lack the qualifier of having a specific reason to not vaccinate. I have many, and some of them are "gut".

Even though your words say that you don't think it's a good way to base a decision, doesn't make it reality. As for me, I place a much higher value on my faith than I do the opinions of others. By way of implication, your post leans to almost the need for a nanny state. It pushes the idea that those of us who are "too inept" to make logically based decisions (the ID crowd) may fare better by having someone else make more "intelligent" decisions for them.

How I arrive at most of the choices in my life may not have a paper trail to represent a controlled trial in the BMJ. My decision on this and other matters does include faith. I have a lot of faith that my decision to leave my body (and the body my children are given) as a temple-unblemished un-tampered with and injected, and as healthy as can be, is supported by my faith and commandments to do so! I don't need "proof" outside my faith that this is acceptable. (Though I have found mountains in the process) I have experienced a certain level of fear over making the decision to not vaccinate. It came from the ped's throwing their version of junk science at me-never able to supply a REAL picture of evidence based medicine. It was just enough fear mongering, however, to make me second guess my faith, intuition, gut, and research for the moments I sat in their office.

However, upon escaping their territory, and re-centering myself; taking out fear, and into faith again, I knew the right choice for us. This allowed me to then sift through what evidence is out there...and to connect the dots between injuries, unknowns, and funding and escalating medicalization of our nation. I don't expect to know the right choice of others, nor do I slam someone for having certain fears, OR for letting faith be part of their decision making process. I don't expect people with other beliefs to understand or choose the same process for arriving at their decisions, but respecting it as a valid and non-ignorant method is appropriate.

Respect goes both ways-even to those of us who make choices based on faith and not societal mainstream as a primary guide.

[DizzyDee2308]

Originally Posted by chaoticzenmom 

Originally Posted by heathergirl67

OP: I agree that the threat of the diseases looks very different when they're presented as an actual, current possibility to your child. I'm glad you made a decision that you're comfortable with and I hope your kiddo thrives.




I have a question that's a little bit OT. Who do you trust? I mean that in a totally genuine, non-snarky way. To be frank, I haven't found one study that's not potentially influenced by some outside factor. That's why I trust studies that are reproducable. How do you determine what studies can be trusted?

I trust my naturapathic dr. . I don't trust anyone with an incentive to push vaccines.

Fair enough. But just to play devil's advocate - doesn't your naturapathic dr. have an interest in convincing you that pharmaceutical companies and "big medicine" are unreliable? If not, then where would his business come from? Just saying.

[SilverMoon010]

Originally Posted by DizzyDee2308 

Fair enough. But just to play devil's advocate - doesn't your naturapathic dr. have an interest in convincing you that pharmaceutical companies and "big medicine" are unreliable? If not, then where would his business come from? Just saying.

Naturopaths have much more important things to do with their time rather than try to tell everyone how unreliable "big medicine" is.  Patients themselves normally seek naturopaths because those people have already came to the conclusion ON THEIR OWN that conventional medicine is not the best choice for them.   Naturopaths aren't pointing out people telling them how terrible conventional medicine is.  People rather an alternative to it, that's all. 

[ma2two]

That's your right as a parent to vaccinate your child. Since it's done, I guess I'm happy for you that you don't regret it. But I can't say I agree with your decision or your reasoning. I don't really understand being fearful of a disease that affects about 30 people per year in a country of 310,000,000, mostly in people over 40 and heroin users. I also don't know where you got the 18% fatality rate. The CDC's Pink Book says about 10%.

Edit: Wow, I didn't realize this was such an old thread.