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Breech worries

post #1 of 103
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So, this bambino is stubbornly breech. It's little head is always bobbing around under my right rib cage. Usually with a hand up by it's face, he/she will push back when you push down. Baby was that way in the ultrasound back at 20 weeks, and my visits at 24 weeks and 28 weeks. I'm now 30 weeks and starting to get alarmed. Not so much that baby IS breech, but that baby is always in the same place! My DS was often breech until about 34 weeks but he flipped around alot, this baby doesn't seem to do much of that. He/she is quite happy in this position, kind of sitting in a side ways C. At the last visit the midwife said not to worry most babies turn between 28 and 32 weeks but she would recommend seeing a Chiro. regularly to help ensure a good position, as this baby has been in this transverse/breech position at every visit. Well, I have been seeing a chiro, one trained in Webster who specializes in pregnant women and children, once every 2 weeks for the last 10 weeks. Clearly this is not helping the matter.

I'm wondering if it's time to start some of the spinning babies stuff? When is it time to get alarmed? The 'OMG baby is breech, I'll need a c-section, I don't have an OB...' panic is creeping in.
post #2 of 103
I don't have a lot of wisdom to add, but wanted to commiserate because I've had "bad positioning" worries all throughout this pregnancy. My LO seems to prefer transverse, but sometimes I can't tell her position. I don't remember feeling as many low movements with DS who as head down from 20ish weeks on. He just never budged from that position, so this is all new to me. I know it's early too, but....the what if's will drive you crazy. For me, a hospital birth of any kind would mean meeting my $3,000 deductible, meeting LO's $3,000 deductible, then paying 30% of the rest of the charges. Oh, did I mention DH hasn't been working regularly since February and our savings is getting close to empty.

I'd definitely ask your MW about starting spinning babies stuff. I doubt it would hurt anything at this point. I had a friend who had planned a homebirth and had a persistently breech baby. In his case, his cord was super short, and he likely wouldn't have been able to be born vaginally anyway. I think that sort of thing is extremely rare though.
post #3 of 103


Fwiw this babe was breech and then hanging out in a lazy C for the longest and I was totally obsessed with the idea that it was going to stay breech. I read tons of material, got good and freaked out, I felt like the position changed over the weekend then I had my 29 week MW appt. yesterday and said to her that the fear of breech had been my BIG worry this pg...well, the babe was totally head down. We can literally feel the head down there now and see its little toosh protruding around my belly button So I wouldn't lose hope yet mama!! I will be sending 'Flip, Baby, Flip!' vibes your way!
post #4 of 103
I wouldn't worry yet, but I would start reading the spinning babies site and doing some of the positions/stretches/exercises there.
post #5 of 103
I would also start the spinning babies exercises. I looked at them the other day, because I'm also a bit worried about position, and have started doing an inversion every now and again (but probably less than I should be). The basic exercises are pretty simple and can't do any harm, and definitely might help. Also, the spinning babies website seems to say that the exercises work better if you start them sooner.
post #6 of 103
Yes, do the spinning babies!

With #1, he flipped just fine - he was not stubborn but I think I did some inversions just in case. BUT - he was back to back for a while, and so I did a lot of hands and knees to ward off back labor. And I went to my chiropractor a lot. He was perfectly positioned for his birth.
post #7 of 103
My DS was the same way--breech from 28 weeks on up until 34 weeks, when I was just starting to drift off one night and he decided to flip. Anyway, your babe does have plenty of time to turn, but spinning babies couldn't hurt. Good luck!
post #8 of 103
I'd start doing spinning babies and other tricks. I wouldn't start to stress or worry until 33-34 weeks.
post #9 of 103
I told my mom yesterday I feel like there'sa 50/50 chance that I'll either have the natural birth center birth I'm planning or a c-section for transverse lie. I do the spinning babies stuff. It gets her to move....while I'm doing it. Then she's right back to transverse.
post #10 of 103
Another dumb question from the newb...

How do you know if baby is breech?

At what point do you need to start spinning that baby because it's unlikely s/he'll be self-propelled?

Baby was breech at our 20w ultrasound, but I know he's been head down at at least one point since then (my MW told me at maybe my 28 week appointment?), but I thought he still had room to move fairly easily. He may still be head down, but to me, he feels like he's all over the place one minute to the next. Is there a way to feel yourself (especially if you're not good at feeling for this sort of thing; I can barely find the top of my fundus!)?
post #11 of 103
Mae still moves ALL over in there... but she is quickly running out of room for transverse and yesterday she was stubbornly head down (actually in perfect position for labor, really bad position for a 4d ultrasound lol)

I wouldnt start to worry until 34 weeks, and even then baby can move head down even at the last minute.
post #12 of 103
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Originally Posted by CraftyMcGluestick View Post
Another dumb question from the newb...

How do you know if baby is breech?

At what point do you need to start spinning that baby because it's unlikely s/he'll be self-propelled?

Baby was breech at our 20w ultrasound, but I know he's been head down at at least one point since then (my MW told me at maybe my 28 week appointment?), but I thought he still had room to move fairly easily. He may still be head down, but to me, he feels like he's all over the place one minute to the next. Is there a way to feel yourself (especially if you're not good at feeling for this sort of thing; I can barely find the top of my fundus!)?
There is a way to feel yourself, but if you're not that good at it and have never done it before, it can be near impossible to really tell.

At this point, if he feels he's all over the place, he probably is. He doesn't have to settle down until 32-34 weeks (sometimes later, but I'd start stressing around that point).

I think the tips are-- where do you feel strong kicks, as opposed to weaker grasping/punching? I know mine is head down because the strong POW belly-shakers are up above my belly button, while I get that weird finger-tip sensation down low in my belly (and poking in my cervix. ouch. ouch.). A big round thing can be a butt or a head. In my situation, I usually feel a big butt high up on one side, and get hard kicks high up on the other side (sometimes can feel a foot if he's stretching).

Get your MW to show you at your next appt. If she's experienced she can probably feel the parts and tell you pretty easily where the head is, the butt, the back, etc. Once you have someone show you, it will help you to be able to do it yourself.


Do the spinning babies things anyway though. It doesn't only help with breech, it helps with posterior babies. You do not want to give birth to a posterior baby. Trust me.
post #13 of 103
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Do the spinning babies things anyway though. It doesn't only help with breech, it helps with posterior babies. You do not want to give birth to a posterior baby. Trust me.
Yes, according to my MIL and a friend's wife (both non-medicated) it is AWFUL.
The spinning babies thing can also help if you're having discomfort right now due to baby's position. I know sometimes when my kiddo goes post and it gives me a bit of a backache (even though he's still tiny). A little encouragement to spin on his head like a top and I feel better.
Heh, and speak of the devil, I just felt a twinge and lo - my usually smooth belly was lumpy and bumpy - meaning his smooth back is facing my back. No wonder I'm getting sore.
post #14 of 103
Ditto the spinning babies!!! My DD turned from a stubborn breech at 33 weeks thanks to spinning babies. I'm relying on it now to keep from having another posterior baby too. It's just good practice for any pregnant woman.

Also, you might consider upping your chiro to once a week or even twice a week. Or perhaps adding in accupuncture if finances allow, although I know that can be expensive...it's certainly out of our price range this pregnancy.
post #15 of 103
I just wanted to continue this discussion. Midwife today said that she thought she felt baby's butt down low (where head is supposed to be). Still can't quite picture that, but doesn't sound great.

I had a posterior birth last time. I spent a good deal of time freaking out and worrying about that happening again, because indeed, it was very hard labor. I am doing everything I can to avoid it happening again, such as going to chiro once every 1-2 weeks, sitting on birthing ball, hands and knees position, resting smart, and avoiding reclining. However, I am trying to take a very zen approach. If for some reason, baby doesn't turn, it will be okay. Posterior is hard, but it is doable. I did it once, so I could do it again if I have to. I am also more prepared with ideas on how to get baby to move during labor (most of them, though not all, do turn anterior before coming out). And, if for some reason baby is breech, it may be for a good reason -- like the short chord mentioned by previous poster. You can only do so much, and you certainly should do what you can, but spending a lot of time freaking and worrying is not going to help.

I also have a hard time figuring out what position baby is in. I've been trying like crazy, following the belly mapping article, trying to figure what sensation is which body part, but it is hard! Any other tips greatly appreciated! I have an anterior placenta, so that seems to make it even less obvious.
post #16 of 103
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Originally Posted by porcelina View Post
I also have a hard time figuring out what position baby is in. I've been trying like crazy, following the belly mapping article, trying to figure what sensation is which body part, but it is hard! Any other tips greatly appreciated! I have an anterior placenta, so that seems to make it even less obvious.
I, too, have an anterior placenta and it does indeed make it harder...

They say if you can move the part and just the part moves, its head. If you can move the part and the whole baby moves, its the butt. TBH I still cant tell the difference!

So for me... its the types of moves I am feeling. If its thump thump thump its probably her feet and if its more of a swish swish its probably her head turning back and forth.

But mine is head down, back out, curled up with her feet by her butt... and I only know this because of an ultrasound we had this week and she still feels like she is in that exact same position.
post #17 of 103
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Originally Posted by Kelly1101 View Post
Do the spinning babies things anyway though. It doesn't only help with breech, it helps with posterior babies. You do not want to give birth to a posterior baby. Trust me.
A follow-up newb question:

How do you know if baby is posterior? Is it possible to overspin your baby so that a head-down anterior baby goes the wrong way?

I think Baby must be mostly head down these days just based on movement because the hard *ka-pow* kicking is way up near my ribs and everything low is much lighter movement.

Thanks for the tips!
post #18 of 103
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Originally Posted by CraftyMcGluestick View Post
A follow-up newb question:

How do you know if baby is posterior? Is it possible to overspin your baby so that a head-down anterior baby goes the wrong way?

I think Baby must be mostly head down these days just based on movement because the hard *ka-pow* kicking is way up near my ribs and everything low is much lighter movement.

Thanks for the tips!
I think spinning babies mostly focuses on positions and such that promote baby going into the correct position and if they are already in that position just coax them to stay there.

I may be wrong, but thats how I believe it works?
post #19 of 103
DDCC to bring some "month ahead of you" BTDT advice.

DD4 has always been transverse. None of my other babies have settled into vertex til 33 weeks or so, but thats because they have been bouncing around like crazy and flipping from vertex to breech to TV and back. DD4 was low transverse (like my cervix is a hammock) at 12 weeks and every. single. appt. since. For her NT and anatomy scan the tech spent hours trying to get her out of that position.

At 24 weeks I started worrying. At 28 weeks I started freaking out and started spinning babies. At 32 weeks I started chiro. Now with 4 weeks left- baby is still stubbornly transverse. She has never moved. When I do the breech tilt I feel her shift upwards, but within minutes she is back to "head on right hip, feet on left hip, back out" position. I can run my fingers across my tummy and feel the nubs of her spine.

While I KNOW its true, it really really annoyed me to be repeatedly told "Don't worry about it yet, its still so early!!" when I really feel like I knew in my heart she wasn't/ isn't going to move. So I just wanted to come in and say that I am sorry you are worried, and I hope baby turns for you ASAP. xxx
post #20 of 103
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Originally Posted by MaerynPearl View Post
I, too, have an anterior placenta and it does indeed make it harder...

But mine is head down, back out, curled up with her feet by her butt... and I only know this because of an ultrasound we had this week and she still feels like she is in that exact same position.
That is awesome! Couldn't ask for a better position! Good to know it still happens even with the anterior placenta.
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