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post #21 of 103
I have a really hard time telling baby's position. I feel big movements/thumps up top and down low. But baby was head down 2 weeks ago and I'm guessing s/he's still head down because I feel two big things up top, seperated by some space. So Im' guessing one is the baby butting me and the other is the baby's feet...? I'm guessing what I'm feeling down below is the baby bouncing around on it's head.
post #22 of 103
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DDCC to bring some "month ahead of you" BTDT advice.

While I KNOW its true, it really really annoyed me to be repeatedly told "Don't worry about it yet, its still so early!!" when I really feel like I knew in my heart she wasn't/ isn't going to move. So I just wanted to come in and say that I am sorry you are worried, and I hope baby turns for you ASAP. xxx
Thanks Mama! I hope your baby turns soon! I'm feeling that little nagging alert at baby's position. Like you said, your baby has been this way all along, so has mine. While my DD was head down very early on and stayed that way, my DS flipped about all the time before he settled in head down about 34 weeks. This baby is just stuck in this transverse/breech position. Tonight he/she was pushing against my pelvic bone, and you could see this head pop up in my upper abdomen, like the baby was standing or stretching.

I will bump up chiro appts when I get back from vacation to once a week. He recommended once a week at 34 weeks or so, which I will be close to when I get back. I'll be swimming a lot up north too, and I'll look up the spinning babies things again. It's been a while since I've read them. That sucks about the cost of a c-section for you DoulaLMT! My pre/post natal and delivery coverage AT a hospital is 100%, after our $100 deductible which has already been met. A c-section would be free, where the free standing birth center will only be covered at 80% of the cost for pre/post natal care, delivery out of the hospital is not covered at all. Stupid policy if you ask me...

I'm sending lots of "head down baby" vibes to DoulaLMT, Bri and anyone else fretting over this right now! Spin baby, spin!
post #23 of 103
Carrie, do some underwater headstands while you're on vacation! Some people swear by them.
post #24 of 103
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Carrie, do some underwater headstands while you're on vacation! Some people swear by them.
I will! Swimming has helped move the baby down and out from under my ribs, although not turned, but made me much more comfortable. I plan on swimming lots in my giant maternity swimsuit. My DH was laughing at my floating on my back, he said I'm face, boobs, belly. My DC asked if the big belly was what made me float!
post #25 of 103
I don't have any advice that hasn't already been given but I do want to offer a success story.

My first was persistantly breech. Breech first discovered at an ultrasound at 25 weeks and then at every single appointment I had in the third trimester. Like you I could feel him as well. I knew exactly where he was and he was comfy for sure. He moved, wiggled, kicked, so I knew he was OK, but never did he flip.

I was given the option of an external version and something told me not to do it. I still don't know why but I trust that it was how it was supposed to be. I had very patient midwives who were open to a vaginal breech birth but also knew that as I was planning a hospital birth I almost certainly wouldn't get it, but still respected my want to go into labour on my own. The OBs at the hospital I delivered at schedule breech deliveries at 38-39 weeks. I declined.

And then, just past my due date he flipped. All on his own. Flipped head down and stayed. I delivered him vaginally vertex

Babies can flip even during labour sometimes (I know it's not common, but my grandmother had one of them and I have read birth stories of others). Do what feels right to you to get babe to turn and I'll be sending head down vibes for you
post #26 of 103
My baby is currently breech in the same position as my 2nd was at this point.. I have been seeing a chiro the entire pregnancy and after my last appt 3weeks ago baby did turn head down for a week or so before flipping back breech .. I am also ready to do something and not just wait around (30.5 weeks) saying it's early, my ds turned at 35 wks after near daily chiro appts for 2 weeks, I don't wang to do that again if I could just start going once a week earlier ...I know I didn't really say anything helpful , I'm going to talk to my chiro on Tuesday about a plan..
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post #27 of 103
How is baby doing now?

I am starting to have breech worries myself. At 31 weeks, baby seems to have flipped to breech about 3 days ago & does not seem to move much. I get all the movement down low now. I felt what I thought was a knee up on the top of the uterus, but now upon further investigation I'm pretty sure it's a head (it does not move out of the way when I palpate, and if I open my hands up more & wiggle back & forth it definitely bobs like a head (just did it and response was a kick down low )
post #28 of 103
On wednesday baby was head first on the ultrasound. Friday morning the little booger flipped and is breech and has been ever sense.

Im 33 weeks and running out of time to "try" to get him to flip back. I heard swinging can help. But I'd like more info on the spinning baby... never heard of it.
post #29 of 103
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How is baby doing now?
Still breech! I posted a long explanation on the positions thread, but I'll repeat it because I'm stressing! So, baby is, I think, incomplete frank breech with one leg up and one down. My midwife grabbed a butt and a leg down low yesterday. She gave me their sheet of things to do, breech tilt, inversion on a ironing board, homeopathic pustilla, chiropractic care, etc. And we talked about options if baby stays this way, first of all she encouraged me not to fret too much that there is time and room for baby to flip, but she did agree that the persistent position makes it a little more alarming. Plus, I have an anterior placenta which increases the likelihood of mal-positioning and and makes a version more complicated.

So- she said I could: 1) Consult with their back-up OB (who had home births herself, she's awesome) about a version in a hospital setting. 2) Work with a DEM they know who does versions out of the hospital. 3) Do nothing and wait. And then if baby does NOT turn I could be 1) be considered as a candidate for vaginal breech birth, if baby is frank breech, at the birth center 2) consider a vaginal breech home birth with a DEM who is very experienced 3) work with an OB (NOT their backup) who will consider breech birth in the hospital 4) schedule a section or 5) don't schedule and see how baby is positioned when I go into labor.

What surprised me the most was that because of my anterior placenta, if I'm considering a hospital version she encouraged me to consider making an appointment with their OB after my 34 week appt. with them, and then the version would take place at 35 to 36 weeks, before baby is bigger. I'm concerned, of course, about the emergency c-section risk following a version with a 35 weeker! Oh, and BTW, that's 2 1/2 weeks away! Yikes!

So, anyway, that's the saga! Sorry to hear you both have breech babes too, hoping your little ones flip back over soon!
post #30 of 103
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Still breech! I posted a long explanation on the positions thread, but I'll repeat it because I'm stressing! So, baby is, I think, incomplete frank breech with one leg up and one down. My midwife grabbed a butt and a leg down low yesterday. She gave me their sheet of things to do, breech tilt, inversion on a ironing board, homeopathic pustilla, chiropractic care, etc. And we talked about options if baby stays this way, first of all she encouraged me not to fret too much that there is time and room for baby to flip, but she did agree that the persistent position makes it a little more alarming. Plus, I have an anterior placenta which increases the likelihood of mal-positioning and and makes a version more complicated.

So- she said I could: 1) Consult with their back-up OB (who had home births herself, she's awesome) about a version in a hospital setting. 2) Work with a DEM they know who does versions out of the hospital. 3) Do nothing and wait. And then if baby does NOT turn I could be 1) be considered as a candidate for vaginal breech birth, if baby is frank breech, at the birth center 2) consider a vaginal breech home birth with a DEM who is very experienced 3) work with an OB (NOT their backup) who will consider breech birth in the hospital 4) schedule a section or 5) don't schedule and see how baby is positioned when I go into labor.

What surprised me the most was that because of my anterior placenta, if I'm considering a hospital version she encouraged me to consider making an appointment with their OB after my 34 week appt. with them, and then the version would take place at 35 to 36 weeks, before baby is bigger. I'm concerned, of course, about the emergency c-section risk following a version with a 35 weeker! Oh, and BTW, that's 2 1/2 weeks away! Yikes!

So, anyway, that's the saga! Sorry to hear you both have breech babes too, hoping your little ones flip back over soon!
Wow, so they are willing to deliver at the birth center, but only if frank breech, and the current position would not qualify? I guess that's better than most places -- I think at my birth center if it's breech, you can get the version, but there is no chance for vaginal breech birth (I'm sure for insurance reasons). Yikes, and didn't realize the additional complication with anterior placenta!

Turn, little one, turn!!
post #31 of 103
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Wow, so they are willing to deliver at the birth center, but only if frank breech, and the current position would not qualify? I guess that's better than most places -- I think at my birth center if it's breech, you can get the version, but there is no chance for vaginal breech birth (I'm sure for insurance reasons). Yikes, and didn't realize the additional complication with anterior placenta!

Turn, little one, turn!!
You got it! I should have clarified that they will consider vaginal breech birth sometimes and that I fit the "mama" category of having previously had vaginal births (proven pelvis) then baby has to be in the right position, namely complete frank breech. Baby is NOT in that position right now, right now baby is single footling breech, we think, and has been that way for quite a while. Breech is for sure, we're 90% sure she felt a foot low too.

And yes, I do think it's better than most places. I was shocked to hear that they even have a couple OB's they work with that will consider attending vaginal breech in the hospital. But I think pretty much everyone would rule out L&D with single footling breech.
post #32 of 103
wow - you have a lot of options! that is better than most places.. though i really hope the baby flips soon!

my baby has been driving me crazy and has flipped twice since yesterday - so while i wish she was head down (i'm 32 weeks today) I know she can still turn.. she was breech then transverse yesterday then overnight she flipped head down and stayed that way until about lunch time, then flipped breech again.. i am wondering where she will be for my midwife tomorrow... last week she was frank breech and then monday she was footling (both feet) ..my last baby was consistently breech until 35 weeks when he flipped.. i also have an anterior placenta this time.. my baby only flips like thsi for the first couple days after i've been to the chiropractor.. then she stays breech until i go back..
post #33 of 103
*bumping*

Well......

...this one is confirmed breech as of this afternoon, 34 weeks on the dot. *sigh* Everything was going so perfectly for my VBAC. My OB was great--first thing out of her mouth was, "I want to cry with you." Followed by, "Okay, here is our plan."

So right now, we're doing:

- massage therapy with a pelvic release protocol starting tomorrow.
- Webster chiro starting Wednesday (I have been going--actually went this a.m.--but she said nothing about a breech babe?)
- Spinning Babies starting ASAP
- version scheduled 8/13

I want to cry. I thought all along the hard bump at the top was a butt. But it's a head. And he flops to transverse/oblique quite a lot but seems to end up head up again by morning. And I'm soooo pissed at my chiro. I mean, shouldn't she know? She's freaking Webster certified...gah.


Anyone else breech still???
post #34 of 103
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And I'm soooo pissed at my chiro. I mean, shouldn't she know? She's freaking Webster certified...gah.
Has she been specifically telling you baby is head down? If not... I would just assume she believes there is more time.

Luckily, if baby is still going transverse, there is likely still more time!
post #35 of 103
Thanks Mae! Well, she hasn't said so, but she hadn't disagreed with me when I told her I though the vacillated between transverse and vertex.

You're right, though--there still is time, and if he's still flopping around, then maybe there is room for him to turn or be turned. I need to think "head down" thoughts!
post #36 of 103
Honestly gals, there are some webster certified chiros who are just not very good at turning babies, I've seen them

So maybe try another webster chiro? icpa4kids.com has a provider search and they list out webster certs in their list, you can search by zip to see who is close to you.

I did my own version at home with ds. My dd was head down and stayed down, though she was a bit crooked at birth. My ds was head down and flipped breech and stayed breech at 34 weeks. I saw a webster chiro 3x/wk for the first 2 weeks, then 2x wk, and at 37 weeks I piled up all my couch pillows and did the "ironing board" upside down thing every night for a few nights until I could feel ds float up out of my pelvis while I was upside down. Then I put my fist in under him to keep him from dropping back in, and gently petted him in one direction (with "a mothers hands are always gentle" advice from my midwife friend in another country) as my mantra.

I felt him nudge and budge and nudge a little more, so I kept moving my fist up along my abdomen under his butt until he was transverse. Then I slowly rolled the way his head was and sat up, and he kept rolling. He stayed head down at that point.

I don't know how well it would work on a 1st baby, but a 2nd with a stretched out uterus and abdominal muscles was pretty easy, just took a long long time and a lot of patience. It was much easier on him/me too, since there was no anxiety of the hospital, no meds in our bodies, no time clock, no pressure.

I would have gone to the hospital for a version at 38 weeks and was in contact with a midwife who was willing to do a vag breech home birth too.

In hindsight, I'm lucky he flipped, he's the kid that "statistics are made of" - with a 44 cm head, he was the biggest head my midwife had ever measured (and she's caught babies for years and years and years) and would have likely been the one that "breech babies should all be sectioned" came from. chin first it's likely he would not have fit.
post #37 of 103
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Honestly gals, there are some webster certified chiros who are just not very good at turning babies, I've seen them

So maybe try another webster chiro? icpa4kids.com has a provider search and they list out webster certs in their list, you can search by zip to see who is close to you.
Sadly, as my midwife/doula friend put it, "she's the only show in town". Now that I know for sure he is breech, I will let her know and see if that changes anything. I'll give her a week or two and then I will break down and make the trek a half hour plus away to see the only other one near here.

I do need to start doing some inversions. And all the other SB stuff...ugh.
post #38 of 103
What about acupuncture? I used to be a skeptic, but I used it to regulate my cycles and conceive ds3, and now I'm not so sure... couldn't hurt to try.
post #39 of 103
Gah, 30 min trek is totally worth it, especially if it works. Have you tried searching the icpa site? I found my midwife knew the ones she worked with, but didn't know everyone in the area who was webster.

I'm super lucky now, I can walk to the chiro, and she'll come here while I'm in labor, but with ds I literally drove 35 min. then spent another 15 finding parking, schlepping my toddler along, she was the closest chiro, and we lived in a huge metro area at that time, just not in the right part of town to access chiro care!
post #40 of 103
LEAW--Yeah, I have checked that site multiple times in hopes that there was someone I was missing, and there's not. The other one comes highly, highly recommended so I really just need to bite the bullet.

ROM--Accu is on my list if chiro/massage/spinningbabies fail. Thanks for the thought.


Well, I officially cannot tell what position he is in right now. I feel a hard lump on my left side barely north of my belly button but way to the side that does NOT feel like the head that was certainly pointing UP yesterday. And I'm feeling lots of limb movement around mid belly. So I'm wondering if he's oblique with his shoulders/upper back near my cervix and his head lowish on the right? Who knows. I go for my first pelvic release massage this afternoon, and she's a MW, so I'm sure we'll plapate and try to figure out where he is. At least he's moving.
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