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Would we fit in at your Waldorf School?

post #1 of 13
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So we are looking at Waldorf for our children. I have 5-year old twin girls who have not been in any school and we are considering Waldorf for them. We are a fairly crunchy family, but I don't think of us the crunchiest family around. I want to feel like we fit in with the community. This may sound like a silly question, but I am wondering if we would fit in at your Waldorf school.

My husband is a partner at a law firm and does corporate securities work. I am a stay at home Mom. I like to wear make up, though I do buy my make up mostly from Whole Foods, but you don't know that when you see me in lipstick. I don't look like the Waldorf teachers I saw at the school. Unless you saw me nursing my 2-1/2 year old, you'd probably think I was pretty mainstream.

My kids wear clothes that are made of natural fabrics, but they do not wear home-made clothing. They like clothing like Tea Collection brand that are comfortable and they consider them cute, but if I bought it for them, they'd love to wear things with sequins. One of my girls cares a lot about clothes and likes to look ""girlish" as she says. (Oddly enough, when she was 2 she insisted she was a boy and wore a baseball cap backwards every day.)

Though I am vegetarian, my kids are not. We do buy natural, grass-fed meat and all that. We do CSAs and shop at the farmer's market. I bake the bread we eat. My kids are insanely picky about what they eat. We do not eat a lot of processed foods, but my kids do get whole grain crackers now and then.

My kids' toys are mostly wood and natural fibers, though not specifically Waldorf toys. They have a Waldorf doll, but also have a Groovy Girl. I buy most of their toys at a Waldorf-inspired toy store. My son has a Bruder truck made of plastic that he loves. They also have a few Playmobil things that are plastic. They do watch TV, but I am okay with stopping. (They might not be so happy about it.) I only let them watch shows where the characters are sweet to each other and do not sell products, like Little Bear. They do not watch Disney. They are familiar with the princesses because of friends, though they only know the stories that accompany the princesses from fairy tales. Mostly I have used TV out of perceived necessity on my part, such as Monday when I had a 24 hour flu and could not get out of bed and my husband was working. I let them watch about 1-1/2 hours of TV so I could rest. But, like I said, I am fine with no TV.

I am not politically liberal. I'd probably describe myself as Libertarian. I am socially liberal, I suppose, in that I support same-sex marriage and reproductive rights.

I know I probably sound ridiculous, but I'd hate to choose a school where we feel ostracized. I know every school is different, but I just want to get a sense of how much outside of Waldorf mainstream we'd be. We are definitely open toward families who make different choices than we do and generally do not judge other people's choices.
post #2 of 13
I don't think you are ridiculous at all. I have similar fears for my 5 year old daughter, but I really love Emerson Waldorf School. Right now, we can't afford K there, so she's involved in Waldorf-inspired home-based programs. I try to visit the Waldorf school for every public event that I can, and I know a family who made a big change from public school recently to send their 1st grader there. The mom is a parenting professional, so she blogs about the school a lot and I email her with questions.

Anyway.... Are you thinking of moving or is there Waldorf options near you?
post #3 of 13
Honestly, I never pay attention to the criteria you listed when befriending folks at my kids' school. I feel totally accepted at our school and I totally accept others. We're all doing the best we can and we all make the best decisions for our individual families! There is a huge spectrum at our school.....I've seen it all and I don't judge nor do I feel judged!
post #4 of 13
My roomate in college went to Waldorf through 12th grade and came from the most un-crunchy family I can imagine. And her mom taught the second graders how to knit every year long after she was grown.

You sound like a great family.
post #5 of 13
No offense, but a lot of what you listed is "materialistic". There is sooooo much more to Waldorf than natural toys and whether or not your daughter wears sequins. What is it about Waldorf education that speaks to you? Is it the integrated arts? How the material is presented according to the development of the child (fairy tales in first, fables/saints in second, old testament in third, etc.)? The holistic nature in which material is learned via the head, hearts and hands? The aid of sleep in learning? Are you okay with delayed academics? How Waldorf approaches science in the early grades? I think you need to dig deeper than the asthetic beauty of Waldorf to truly know if it is a good fit. Good Luck!
post #6 of 13
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Originally Posted by WednesdayO View Post
I don't think you are ridiculous at all. I have similar fears for my 5 year old daughter, but I really love Emerson Waldorf School. Right now, we can't afford K there, so she's involved in Waldorf-inspired home-based programs. I try to visit the Waldorf school for every public event that I can, and I know a family who made a big change from public school recently to send their 1st grader there. The mom is a parenting professional, so she blogs about the school a lot and I email her with questions.

Anyway.... Are you thinking of moving or is there Waldorf options near you?
sorry for the little thread hijack here--could you post the blog (is it public?)? Emerson looks like such a nice school to me! I'm stuck where I am living now until I finish med school but looking at the future with medical residency, etc., Chapel Hill is high on my list of potential locations because of the school

to the OP: I agree with the previous poster that the things you have listed are superficial. They aren't un-important, and certainly may be factors in determining how you fit into a community, but I think the things that draw you to put your children in a Waldorf school (such as what the previous poster suggested: holistic, developmental learning; delayed academics; spirituality in daily life; etc.) would be the things you'd have in common.
post #7 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the input! We live about 20 minutes away from a Waldorf School, so we would not need to move.

Thank you Kindermama and 34me for your reassurance.

blumom2boyz, I realize the things I listed are not the essence of Waldorf school. I think it is a good fit for my girls, and eventually my son, and they would get a lot out of the school. I am not asking if it's a good fit for our kids. There are a lot of things I like about Waldorf, mostly the emphasis on imagination and allowing children to remain children.

The school I am looking at is in near Berkeley, California and many, though certainly not all, of the families come from Berkeley. I have had bad experiences with highly judgmental people in Berkeley, both as a college student and now as a parent. There is a lot of the crunchy olympics kind of thing that is totally off-putting to me. I have gotten nasty comments at the farmer's market for having 3 children for instance. I am hoping that my children's school would provide a kind of community for us. Someone posted a thread on MDC about visiting a Waldorf school and the other children were nasty to her daughter because she was carrying some plastic commercial character doll and her Mom wore lipstick. That stuck with me. So while I like Waldorf and feel like it would be great for our kids, I don't want to sign up for it if people who live like we do would not be welcome and my kids would be mocked because their mama wears make up. I hope that makes sense.
post #8 of 13
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sorry for the little thread hijack here--could you post the blog (is it public?)? Emerson looks like such a nice school to me! I'm stuck where I am living now until I finish med school but looking at the future with medical residency, etc., Chapel Hill is high on my list of potential locations because of the school.
Sure. Here is the school blog and Noble Mother, who is the person I mentioned.

I really do love Emerson Waldorf. I think even if it doesn't work out for our daughter, I will remain involved somehow as an early childhood professional. I don't know what it's like elsewhere in the country, but the Waldorf community seems diverse and accepting.
post #9 of 13
There were all type of people and families at our Waldorf school. From "Hollywood" celebrities (Kenny Loggin's kids attended) to crunchy, dreadly vegans and everything in between. We were somewhere in the middle. One thing I did notice was that many of the families used alternative medicine practitioners, like DOs and NDs and we were on board with that. I think our school was a good cross section of the community.
post #10 of 13
the community that i moved from had a strong anthroposophical community: waldorf school, steiner day care, two camp hill villages, multiple biodynamic farms/CSAs, and anthroposophical doctor, etc. people are just anthroposophical there.

i would also say that anthroposophy speaks to me, even though i don't believe in and/or practice all of it. i take what works for me and leave the rest. for some, this would be "waldorf inspired" and for others, we are "way anthroposophical." whatevs.

end of the day, i don't really care. i mean, i tend to be moderate about these things. one of our new friends here sends his children to stiener school, and he goes to the meetings. his one comment is always: "Rudolf is not here. So, what do we do now?"

his basic premise with this question is that Rudolf did not live in the modern world, and that we can find insight in what he wrote and did, but that we needn't use it like hard, fast rules. in his words, he sometimes feels people are "too much by the book." (he is, btw, a brilliant, vibrant indian man--so say everything with a jovial indian accent and it's even better! "Rudolf is not here!")

Bottom line, to me, is this. I don't care about any of those things you wrote about. Our steiner group is diverse (we are in a play group here), and there are things that i do that others don't, things that others do that i don't, and i don't really care. end fo the day, what is right for my family is right for my family. if i have a problem with something, i speak up. that's about it.

i don't think any of these issues would lead to ostracism per se. if it does, walk away or call them on their crap and see what happens.
post #11 of 13
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the community that i moved from had a strong anthroposophical community: waldorf school, steiner day care, two camp hill villages, multiple biodynamic farms/CSAs, and anthroposophical doctor, etc. people are just anthroposophical there.
There is an Anthroposophical Society of North Carolina with anthroposophical initiatives including the Emerson Waldorf School, Biodynamic agriculture, Anthroposophical doctor, Eurythmy, and a fairly new Christian Community. There is also the Triangle Home Nursery Association in which most of the providers have some type of Waldorf or Lifeways training. All that being said, some of them are not purists and some are. I think it's that way in every belief "system".

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his basic premise with this question is that Rudolf did not live in the modern world, and that we can find insight in what he wrote and did, but that we needn't use it like hard, fast rules.
Exactly! At Waldorf Education Day earlier this year, the keynote speaker was a Waldorf parent who became a techonology/computer teacher for the Waldorf high school where he lived. He helped the school incorporate an awesome program about the inner workings and uses of technology, and now other schools are taking notes from him.
post #12 of 13
I can totally understand you asking! I had the same concerns when we attended a parent child program and considered moving closer to attend the school full time ( we didn't, and now homeschool). I think every school is different, though. At our school there are definite expectations which are subtle, sometimes not so much. I used to cringe when my little one acted up, (which he did there often but never anywhere else) because it was insinuated that we spoke to him in a way that was not advised in Waldorf. He is a very bright, verbal, insistent child and although we were always careful to not lead him into more than he was asking for, we were kindly told that by answering him specifically and not trying to guide his curiousity into an imaginative realm we were in effect encouraging him to be more in his head...
At our school, I didn't actually see parents wear makeup and I doubt the families I got to know had sequined clothes for their kids. I would think that would be another variable, though. I think there will always be people who are more , and less, Waldorf, than us- or you. I would hope that any Waldorf community would respond well to a family like yours who obviously cares about their kids and the larger community as a whole. I generally found an accepting attitude prevailed and it was a place that felt right.
I knew that we had made the best decisions we could for our child and our family about so many things before we walked through a Waldorf door. We were respected for that, and I had absolutely no problem considering more of the Waldorf philosophy and learning from other parents and the fabulous teachers we met there. I wouldn't want to be at a Waldorf school if I wasn't open to it. I would encourage you to feel good about the decisions you've made for your family, and at the same time perhaps be open to the idea that you might find yourself swaying/changing a bit once you get involved in a Waldorf community. I guess I think there is no way of us knowing how your local school climate is, but if you go there and talk to parents and teachers you'll be able to find out. Every family I met there made the best decisions they could for THEIR family, and although we didn't all agree it was okay.
post #13 of 13
I get what your asking - I'm an attorney and wear the "lawyer uniform" everyday I was worried at first if I would fit in - although I knew dd would.

The reality is our school is incredibly open and nurturing - after 3 years it is my "village." Like any new community its hard to get to know people at first, but once you make that fundamental connection in that you have sought a different type of education for your children, the friendships flow from there. Our family is also very active at our school: you get what you give. There is quite a diversity of income levels at our school - not everyone can afford to shop at Whole Foods and those families who can't also feel left out, too.

So yes, you would fit in - realize the connection is the fundamental Waldorf philosophy and the interest you have in your children growing into adults who will bless the world with their deeds.
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