Superfoods? Additional stuff for TTC? My Plan. - Page 3

[Vaquitita]

Originally Posted by FairyRae

Have you felt a difference taking these? They are insanely cheaper than dr rons. They contain maltodextrin which freaks me out b/c of ds's corn sensitivity, but I do get traace amonts from other sources, probably a lot. Hmmm...




They just make me feel good and energizeed--that's all I really know a/b them!

I was taking the dr rons liver capsules, then switched to the natural sources liver capsules when money got tight. and I still felt the same benefits. i never took dr rons organ delight, so i can't compare. but i began taking the natural sources multiple organ because of some adrenal issues. i took them along with a bunch of other stuff and i did feel lots better. then i slowly stopped taking all of it. i began taking the organ pills again after getting pregnant, figuring my adrenals could use the extra support. and i do feel a difference, even though i only take 1 capsule a day. in the past i've taken more.

spirulina/chlorella = more energy? well i could use that that's what i love about the frozen liver pills, i feel so much more energized when i'm taking them. and i find the effect to be accumulative. it helps right away, but after a month of taking them regularly i feel so much more energy. and similarly it takes about a month of not taking them to hit bottom energy wise.

here's how i do my 'pills'. i use to thaw it and cut up a bunch and then freeze them. it was messy and smelly. now i thaw the liver, spread it out flat, put it in a ziploc bag and refreeze it being careful to keep it flat while it refreezes. when it's flat like this i can pull it out cut off a strip and cut that up into tiny pieces with out thawing it. so much less messy and less disgusting too.

[Vaquitita]

Originally Posted by FairyRae

Bioplasma cell salts $8.33 1000 tabs, rec dose 4, 4x a day

Organ blend, dr rons or natural sources? Dr ron's is $60 for 180 capsules, Natural Sources is $8.43 for 60 servings

-Probiotics through at least a TBS of fermented veggiesalso fermented veggie liquid in the salad dressing in my 'big ass salad' (yeah MDA!)

wow, that is a great price on the bioplasma. i was happy when i found it for $15 for 1000 tabs. ok, gotta buy from vitacost from now on. the price on the raw multiple is a bit better than i've been paying too.

what a great idea to put some liquid from fermented veggies in your salad dressing. i'm gonna do that! i assume it's in place of the vinegar?

[FairyRae]

Originally Posted by Vaquitita

I was taking the dr rons liver capsules, then switched to the natural sources liver capsules when money got tight. and I still felt the same benefits. i never took dr rons organ delight, so i can't compare. but i began taking the natural sources multiple organ because of some adrenal issues. i took them along with a bunch of other stuff and i did feel lots better.

Rockin! I ordered them tonight!

that's what i love about the frozen liver pills, i feel so much more energized when i'm taking them. and i find the effect to be accumulative. it helps right away, but after a month of taking them regularly i feel so much more energy. and similarly it takes about a month of not taking them to hit bottom energy wise.

here's how i do my 'pills'. i use to thaw it and cut up a bunch and then freeze them. it was messy and smelly. now i thaw the liver, spread it out flat, put it in a ziploc bag and refreeze it being careful to keep it flat while it refreezes. when it's flat like this i can pull it out cut off a strip and cut that up into tiny pieces with out thawing it. so much less messy and less disgusting too.

AWESOME--thank you for all this info!!!! That sounds like a much better way to do it than what I've read.

I'm really excited about this. I was just reading a comment on a Mark's Daily Apple post about a girl who was working on healing some issues, started taking beef liver, and weaned herself off of B-vites and mineral supps completely (I thought it was interesting those are the 2 I'm concerned about!!!)

So, I'm thinking I'm going to try and trust my body to tell me what I need. For now I'm going to discontinue the special 2 multiple, do the liver (well, in 2 weeks when it's been frozen long enough ), all the other supps I mentioned (at least those I have on hand) except the b-vites and minerals (I may supp mag in some form though--I think I need it) and then just see how I feel. I eat a lot of good stuff, and I'm betting it might be enough, esp w/ the liver and organ blend added... I can always sup Bs and minerals later on. I'm in no rush to TTC and getting myself in order first is the most important thing to me...

Woo Hoo!

ETA: I think doing herbal infusions will be a great source of the minerals I'd be getting in a supp, and w/ the bioplasma I'll be absorbing them a lot more, in addition to bone broth, etc...

[FairyRae]

Originally Posted by Vaquitita

what a great idea to put some liquid from fermented veggies in your salad dressing. i'm gonna do that! i assume it's in place of the vinegar?

I still use vinegar, the fermented liquid is not flavorful enough (IMO). I find it easier to just pour a TBS or so on top of the salad after I've already added my typical oil/vinegar dressing. I've tried the Zukay tomato basil dressing (I think that's what it is?) and it was yummy too--but way too expensive.

[mom61508]

Originally Posted by FairyRae

Ok, so of course I'm still researching (poor ds has been really patient w/ me today!!) and I was looking into vitamineral green which *seems* amazing! Do you notice a difference when you take it? Or have you not been doing it long? It claims to be able to replace all multivites and mineral supps, but I'm not so sure...

But, it does include probiotics (plus I'll be eating my fermented veggies and such) so I think I could knock that off my long list. I wonder if I could take it in place of the Bs and minerals as well... Esp if I actually eat all that liver I'm planning on, and drink those herbal infusions and keep up w/ bone broth etc... I mean, its REALLY pricey, so not sure I'd want to go for it unless it would really be worth it. It seems pretty cool though...

Honestly I take it like a shot and most of the time I get a burst of energy! Ask pasberjorne(uh can't spell you know who right?) about it she told me about I think?? I just don't know If it's do detoxifying during pregnancy or not but before I'm sure it would be good.

Interesting threads with milk thistle info
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=618836
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...d.php?t=653048


BTW not to hijack your thread but just found out I'm pregnant today Was totally unexpected sooooooooo I'm really trying to get my head together to figure the supp thing all out. I did order organ delight today tho.

[FairyRae]

Some pretty cool herbal info:

Susun Weed article about infusions, w/ a section on minerals in various herbs. http://www.thehealthyvillage.com/her...infusions.html

CHART 1: VITAMINS AND MINERALS IN HERBS USED AS NOURISHING INFUSIONS
per 100 grams dry weight

Chickweed: calcium (1210mg), magnesium (523mg), manganese (15.3mg), phosphorus (448mg), and zinc (5.2mg); vitamins A, C, K; protein (2% of total)
Stinging nettle: calcium (2900mg), magnesium (860mg), phosphorus (447mg), potassium (1750mg), and zinc (4.7mg); vitamins A, B, C, D, E, K; protein (10% of total)
Oatstraw: calcium (1430mg), phosphorus (425mg), and potassium (352mg); vitamins A, B, C, E; protein (15% of total)
Red clover blossoms: calcium (1310mg), magnesium (349mg), and potassium (2000mg); vitamins A, B, C, E, K; protein (20% of total)
Comfrey leaf: calcium (1130mg), chromium (0.8mg), manganese (7mg), phosphorus(211mg), potassium (1590mg), selenium (0.57mg), and zinc (0.28mg); vitamins A, B, C, K; protein (10% of total)

Article about the mineral content of herbs, and specific amounts at the end of the article.
http://medherb.com/Materia_Medica/Th...ecoctions_.htm

Table 2: The Mineral Content of Selected Herbs (per ounce)

Calcium Chromium Iron Magnesium Potassium Selenium

(Mg) (mcg) (mg) (mg) (mg) (mcg)



Alfalfa 299 30 0.87 76 400 0

Burdock 244 10 4.9 179 560 50

Catnip 205 90 4.6 69 783 410

Chickweed 403 40 8.4 176 280 140

Comfrey leaf 600 60 0.4 23 566 40

Horsetail 630 10 4.1 145 520 40

Kelp 1013 20 0.5 289 703 60

Licorice 292 60 2.9 321 380 0

Marshmallow 272 50 3.8 172 403 110

Nettle Leaf 966 130 1.4 286 583 70

Oatstraw 476 130 0.4 400 90 40

Peppermint 540 0 2.0 220 753 40

Red Clover 436 110 0.0 116 666 30

Red Raspberry 403 40 3.3 106 446 80

Skullcap 151 20 0.8 37 726 30

List of vitamins/minerals and herbal sources: http://www.learningherbs.com/vitamins_and_minerals.html

How to make herbal vinegars: http://www.healthy-green-lifestyle.c...-vinegars.html (Seems pretty cool and easy!)

[FairyRae]

Originally Posted by mom61508

BTW not to hijack your thread but just found out I'm pregnant today Was totally unexpected sooooooooo I'm really trying to get my head together to figure the supp thing all out. I did order organ delight today tho.

CONGRATULATIONS!!! No wonder you were drawn to this thread! How exciting!! Well, feel free to post your own 'plan' ideas if you'd like--I love learning here from all of you and what you do!

Woo hoo!!

Thanks for the milk thistle links--will check them out! I think Panserbjorne is brilliant and anything she recs I regard highly! Great to hear you feel energized from your vitamineral greens! Just be careful w/ it now that you know you're expecting!!!

[mom61508]

Originally Posted by FairyRae

CONGRATULATIONS!!! No wonder you were drawn to this thread! How exciting!! Well, feel free to post your own 'plan' ideas if you'd like--I love learning here from all of you and what you do!

Woo hoo!!

Thanks for the milk thistle links--will check them out! I think Panserbjorne is brilliant and anything she recs I regard highly! Great to hear you feel energized from your vitamineral greens! Just be careful w/ it now that you know you're expecting!!!

Thanks!!! It's funny because I was talking with friends a few days ago on how I'm starting to want another baby and wham I got it lol!!!! Panserbjorne is great You know *IF* your interested I can send you my Vitamineral green??? I know sounds kind of weird I guess, you don't know me, it's used but I've only had it for 3 weeks there's TONS left. Anyway an just an idea! I hate to waste it and DH won't take it! I promise you won't hurt my feelings If you don't want it...off to bed

[FairyRae]

WOOOOW!!! I'm PMing you IMMEDIATELY--I'd LOVE your VM green!!!!!

[FairyRae]

Woo hoo--magnesium supp I'm planning to try (on the rec. of another MDC mama--thanks Beth!) is magnesium (chloride) oil. From what I've read, it's even better absorbed/utilized than epsom salts (not sure this is true or not) and can be cheaply made at home. The site I was reading about it on described using it on the skin being similar to what it would be like to swim in mineral rich water (totally traditional IMO! )

Here is some info on it: http://www.silvermedicine.org/magnesium-chloride.html

When faced with the possibility of a magnesium deficiency, most people would simply seek a prescription from a medical doctor, or perhaps simply go to the local vitamin and supplement store to get an internal magnesium supplement, maybe in the form of capsules, tablets, or perhaps even a powder. While supplementing with magnesium citrate may be an option, there are several points that need to be carefully considered.

Magnesium is very poorly adsorbed through the digestive tract
Some extreme cases of magnesium deficiency completely resist oral supplementation
Even when serum levels may show normal levels of mangesium, this is not a guarantee that magnesium is actually available at a cellular level, where it is needed the most
Even when successful, oral supplementation can take up to six months to correct the imbalance, and even then, there is no guarantee that the magnesium is availble where it is needed most (due to severe body disfunction caused by the deficiency)
Luckily, there is a safe, effective, and affordable way to deliver magnesium into the body... One is which as natural and has been used by humankind since before recorded history: Magnesmium chloride.

Using magnesium chloride transdermally results in the rapid cellular-uptake of magnesium through the skin. By bypassing the digestive system all together, one does not need to focus on the many digestive problems that may hinder the biovailability of magnesium.

Magnesium oil is made by rehydrating magnesium chloride crystals; just enough water is added to create a very light oil-like substance. In actually, there are no oils present in magnesium chloride oil.

A small amount of magnesium chloride may then be massaged or rubbed into any area an individual feels needs treatment.

The most affordable way to acquire transdermal magnesium chloride is to purchase food grade Nigari flakes. Simply fill a plastic "drip" bottle with magnesium flakes, and hydrate with high quality water (or colloidal silver). Keep the bottle filled with magnesium flakes, and refill the water inbetween uses. There is no need to actually work the flakes into a pure oil unless planning to resell... Maximum saturation will eventually be achieved, although it may take a few weeks for complete saturation.

Individuals can elect to buy "Magnesium Oil" or "Transdermal Magnesium Oil" from retailers. However, there are definately quality concerns and there is a great deal of unsubstantiated hype associated with different brands.

And here is a cheap form of the flakes: http://www.myworldhut.com/products/N...apan-Bulk.html (Don't worry--they don't have soy in them, they are just used to solidify soy...Looks like they are just mag chloride.)

ETA: The source a couple posts down is WAY cheaper (http://www.naturalimport.com/inc/sdetail/6922) --under $2 a lb--this one is almost $1 per oz. Just fyi!!

From the site:

Extracted from sea water by removing most or all of the sodium chloride and water, it contains primarily magnesium chloride plus all the other salts and trace minerals naturally found in sea water.

Nigari is derived from sea water and is the mineral-rich residue that slowly drips off moist sea salt and is then sun-dried. Our nigari is made this traditional way and for centuries...

This could be great for us, and is cheap enough to try w/out hesitation! Woo hoo!

[crunchy_mama]

You are gathering so much good info FR! Thanks! I am wondering if anyone knows of someplace to be a good herb blend at a good price? I have a horrible time doing it one my own if I had tea bags I think I would use it much more- even though the bulk herb I am sure is cheaper.

thanks so much to Vaquitta for the liver "pills" info- I will have to try it that way!

I am also interested in the magnesium- we have done the epsom salts and the natural calm before- but would love a cheaper option and a big bonus if it absorbs better.

A thought FR if you are not normally a liver lover perhaps you should start w/ chicken liver rather than beef.

Here is my liver pate recipe:

Liver Pate
1/2 lb chicken livers
1/3 chopped onion
1 1/2 t celtic sea saltR
1 t pepper
1/4 t marjoram
1/4 t allspice
1 t sugar
1 t white cooking wine
1/4 t mace
1 cardam pod or 1/4 t ground cardamom
1/2 t coriander
hefty sprinkle of ground cloves
light sprinkle of nutmeg
2-4 T tallow(although I think bacon fat would be better or just coco oil or any other good fat)
1 tsp chopped chives

Saute the onions until nice and carmelized then add your livers and cook until no longer pink. Mix with your spices- I fresh ground as I have my mom's grinder right now, but preground would be usual for me. Mixed the liver and onions w/ spices until nice and creamy(food processor works well for this) then mix in your wine and your melted oil - or butter of course if you can do it.

[crunchy_mama]

many congrats to mom61508!!!

[mom61508]

Originally Posted by crunchy_mama

many congrats to mom61508!!!

Thank you

FR-I didn't even think about magnesium!!!! I've been taking magnesium oil. I think Jane S takes mag chloride too along with mag oil. I'll PM you in a few gotta make DD breakfast!

[FairyRae]

Originally Posted by crunchy_mama

A thought FR if you are not normally a liver lover perhaps you should start w/ chicken liver rather than beef.

I've actually bought chicken in the past for adding into sauces/ground meat dishes, as the flavor is totally milder. Your recipe looks great--would using honey in place of the sugar be ok? I don't know if my farmer has chicken livers *yet*--I'll totally try it when he has them!

Also, as far as mixing herbs goes, if you do nourishing herbal infusions al la Susun Weed, you can just buy one bulk bag of a single herb and scoop one cup of it into a big jar and cover w/ boiling water, let sit for 4+ hours (or overnight), strain, and drink over the next couple days. (Nettles is the most commonly recommended, oatstraw, comfrey, red clover are as well I think.) Straining is the hardest/most annoying part of that, and isn't too bad...just a thought!



More on the transdermal mag chloride stuff:
http://magnesiumforlife.com/transder...h-transdermal/

http://www.worldwidehealthcenter.net/articles-358.html
Interesting:

According to Daniel Reid the Epsom salts some people take as a magnesium supplement contains magnesium sulfate, which is rapidly excreted through the kidneys and therefore difficult to assimilate. This would explain in part why the effects from Epsom salt baths do not last. Whole sea salt contains magnesium chloride and magnesium bromide, which are easily assimilated and metabolized in the human body.

The bottom line is that transdermal magnesium therapy speeds up the process of nutrient repletion in much the same was as intravenous methods. Like intravenous, transdermal application of magnesium can deliver higher doses of this key mineral to the cells. Bypassing digestion allowing for deeper tissue saturation.

How to make magnesium chloride oil: http://www.ehow.com/how_5637686_make...oride-oil.html

Another tutorial (this one seems to be more theraputic/potent): http://www.ehow.com/how_5918363_make...-oil-pain.html

It mentions:

Purchase nigari flakes at an Asian food market or online. Nigari flakes are magnesium chloride derived from sea salt and are usually used for making tofu. A one-pound container typically costs less than $2.

Here is another online resource for nigari flakes: http://www.naturalimport.com/inc/sdetail/6922

I'm soooo going to try and find these locally today!!! Talk a/b cheap! Woo hoo!

ETA: http://magnesiumforlife.com/transder...magnesium-oil/

With magnesium oil, the concentrate can simply be applied to the skin or poured into bath water, and in an instant we have a powerful medical treatment. Intensive transdermal and oral magnesium therapy can be safely applied day in and day out for consistent health benefits. Magnesium oil is nothing short of a miracle to a person deficient in magnesium. So clear and observable are the effects that there is no mistake, no mysticism, no false claim made.

Daniel Reid, author of Tao of Detox says, “Using magnesium oil is the quickest and most convenient way to transmit magnesium chloride into the cells and tissues through the skin. 2-3 sprays under each armpit function as a highly effective deodorant, while at the same time transporting magnesium swiftly through the thin skin into the glands, lymph channels, and bloodstream, for distribution throughout the body. Spray it onto the back of the hand or the top of the feet any time of day or night for continuous magnesium absorption. Regardless of where you apply the spray on the body, once it penetrates the surface of the skin, the body transports it to whichever tissues need magnesium most.”

I've also read some folks saying it burns the first few times they tried it--so if you try it, go slowly! I'll certainly lyk what happens if/when we try it!

[FairyRae]

Originally Posted by mom61508

FR-I didn't even think about magnesium!!!! I've been taking magnesium oil. I think Jane S takes mag chloride too along with mag oil. I'll PM you in a few gotta make DD breakfast!

Woo hoo! How do you use the mag oil, and have you felt the effects? Awesome!

I should check w/ Jane S about probiotics too--I know she recs bifido (I want to get some for ds) and has links to somewhere to get them in her sig...

[mbravebird]

Wow, that magnesium info is great. I'm going to try it too!!

CONGRATULATIONS, Mom61508!!! Yaaaaaaayyyy!!!!


And crunchy_mama, there is a line of thought that says it's actually better to do what's called "simples" of herbs, which basically just means one herb at a time. So don't feel like you need to combine all those herbs. I say start with one you're attracted to, do it for a while, and then switch to another if you feel the need to. A common one is nettle, because it is so good all-around, but do what you feel fits you best and feels most attractive to you. When I was pregnant I did RRL and Nettle as simples, and never anything else. Well, I did do an occasional cup of tea from a mix my midwives made, but my main nutrition was the simples.

[crunchy_mama]

I have done the herbs as suntea before I just don't remember to do it. I like the taste of rrl and nettles- especially w/ orange and peppermint though.

I am reading along w/ the mag info- I haven't noticed a startling dif with any sup. I do love my dark chocolate though- I am with you I think it is a necessity!

[crunchy_mama]

Originally Posted by mbravebird

And crunchy_mama, there is a line of thought that says it's actually better to do what's called "simples" of herbs, which basically just means one herb at a time. So don't feel like you need to combine all those herbs. I say start with one you're attracted to, do it for a while, and then switch to another if you feel the need to. A common one is nettle, because it is so good all-around, but do what you feel fits you best and feels most attractive to you. When I was pregnant I did RRL and Nettle as simples, and never anything else. Well, I did do an occasional cup of tea from a mix my midwives made, but my main nutrition was the simples.

Missed that- I like this idea. The idea of trying to think of what all I need and get it together is annoying to me. However, though I do prefer the nettles w/ something else. I can drink it plain(cold) but find it certainly more palatable mixed.

[Vaquitita]

Originally Posted by FairyRae

Also, as far as mixing herbs goes, if you do nourishing herbal infusions al la Susun Weed, you can just buy one bulk bag of a single herb and scoop one cup of it into a big jar and cover w/ boiling water, let sit for 4+ hours (or overnight), strain, and drink over the next couple days. (Nettles is the most commonly recommended, oatstraw, comfrey, red clover are as well I think.) Straining is the hardest/most annoying part of that, and isn't too bad...just a thought!

i have some cotton tea nets from mtn rose herbs that work well for doing big jars of tea. the large size.

[FairyRae]

Originally Posted by Vaquitita

i have some cotton tea nets from mtn rose herbs that work well for doing big jars of tea. the large size.

That looks cool! Next time I do an order there I'll get one--they are way cheap!

I have done the herbs as suntea before I just don't remember to do it. I like the taste of rrl and nettles- especially w/ orange and peppermint though.

Crunchy_mama, I've read on MDC and in some Susun Weed writing that sun tea will not get the minerals out of the herbs/into the water the way boiling water will. BUT, maybe sun tea has the vitamins and boiling harms them in some way?? (I feel like I read this _somewhere_ ) I totally can't remember, but I'd look into it more, depending on what your reasons for making it are...