Ovulation, argh!: contradictory signs

[Sweet.Bee]

So, it seems my O date is getting later each month. 1st cycle it was CD18, 2nd CD22, and now this cycle here I am at CD25 and I'm not sure what's going on.

My signs are all contradicting one another.

I got my first + OPK on Thursday (CD22) and then an even darker + on Friday (CD23). Saturday's (CD24) was - again.

My cervix was also most fertile-feeling Friday and since then has been slowly feeling less fertile, though it's not quite back to totally closed up.

I had ovulation pain that seems to line up with the OPKs and CP. Pains throughout the day Friday, culminating in really strong pains for a couple of hours around midnight Friday.

But my temp was still down this morning (Sunday, CD25), and I'm getting EWCM also. Chart: http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/2e2172/

What is going on with my body? Have I ovulated? Will I ovulate?

[vivica2]

i would have said you od on friday too. sorry your temp is not helping. mayby you geared up and didnt o? have you tried any supliments to help regulate your cycle? sorry TTC is so random feeling.

[Banana731]

Bee-

I got a - OPK on Thursday, + OPK on Friday afternoon, a - OPK on Saturday, and then Oed on Sunday (just under 48 hrs after the +), my temp shot up Monday. On Sunday morning my temp was still down, my cervix was still soft and open, but by afternoon it had closed. TCOYF was giving me an O day of Saturday at first, and so I was freaking out thinking I didn't really O, and I was going to have to wait another 2 weeks (this was going on in my head on that sunday.) But then I got the high temp monday and it stayed up, and my chart shifted O to Sunday, and it all made a little more sense, I must have Oed in the morning on Sunday. I always had thought of it being something that would happen in the night, like magic. My point is, you could Oing right now! You are still certainly in the window!

prior to this cycle I was having a false/gear up O around cd 17 and then actual O 10 days or so later. This cycle I took soy. I soy!

[karmab]

today is a possibility, so keep on keeping on. my girl, you've had quite the run of fertile cm! if it's any consolation- your chart doesnt look like an anovulatory chart at all, it looks like a chart that is gearing up to o, if you follow me. your temps arent all erratic, they all look pre-o, and i think there is a difference. so you could still o today- 48 hrs after your last pos opk, or else, keep checking opks (i now keep doing it until i get crosshairs, and i think that's a good plan) and watch your cm and cp, and i bet you o very soon.

have you changed anything over the past few cycles? any supplements or that kind of thing- sometimes that actually throw us off instead of helping!

[Sweet.Bee]

Thanks all for your input and support. Right now, I guess I'm hoping for a temp jump tomorrow. I'm just wondering why I haven't ovulated if my OPK is back to negative.

Before I got pregnant with my son, I think my average O date was around CD17 or CD18, but I can't find my charts from back then to double check. I know I didn't have 2 weeks of fertile CM, though.

As for supplements, the only thing I'm taking is a folic acid/B-complex vitamin, and I've taken it since before TTC. I'm not really stressed either. I think I'm actually more relaxed this cycle than last, and O was still later.

My husband doesn't think anything is wrong with me, but this is just weird. Do I need to have testing done at my doctor's office, or am I ok?

[HulaJenn]

temps are supposed to be the primary indicator of ,so even with a pos OPK it is possible to have geared up with the LH surge and not O'd. it is also possible to not O until up to 48 hours after a pos OPK. The negative OPK after a positive, just means the surge is over and doesn't guarantee ovulation. I don't see one on your chart now, but who knows what tomorrow's temp will bring?

[writteninkursive]

I would think that two days of sustained + opks indicates a pretty solid chance that you O'ed. (My O dates are often similar to yours - normally around day 22, sometimes wacky times like day 18 or 25!).

I used to be hardcore about charting and all that, but recently, I've been really tuning into my body without the temping and cervix textures and all that, and I've found that when I don't focus on the symptoms, I can tell by how aroused I am! Humans go through estrous, just like other mammals! If you can't keep your hands off your DP, you're likely O'ing!

[ZoeJane'sMommy]

Hey Sweetbea.................that stinks. I am having kind of the same problem and had it last month to. I actually did not O at all last month on a 52 day cycle. I do not know what is going on but I can offer some hugs! You know I thought I finally O'd this month to but now my temps are back down. Hopefully our bodies will kick into gear this week and we can both be the April DDC together!!

[ZoeJane'sMommy]

Originally Posted by writteninkursive

I would think that two days of sustained + opks indicates a pretty solid chance that you O'ed. (My O dates are often similar to yours - normally around day 22, sometimes wacky times like day 18 or 25!).

I used to be hardcore about charting and all that, but recently, I've been really tuning into my body without the temping and cervix textures and all that, and I've found that when I don't focus on the symptoms, I can tell by how aroused I am! Humans go through estrous, just like other mammals! If you can't keep your hands off your DP, you're likely O'ing!

This is a great technique and probably the oldest but with me and my hormone problems the only time I find myself in that attitude is when I am prego otherwise I never really crave it I just go with DH's moods.

[Sweet.Bee]

ZoeJane'sMommy, Looks like both we're stuck waiting to O. Hopefully, not for long.

Oh, and, Banana, tell me about soy. Did it move up your O date a lot? How much did you take?

[karmab]

about estrous, absolutely, my desire goes up, but my dh is the best ovulation predictor out there. he knows nothing about my cycles, but without fail, around the first day of fertile cm, he starts sniffin around, and usually the day before the first +opk, i can not keep him off me. during the 2ww, he's not all that interested either. it's absolutely undeniable.

re: soy- you can take any dosage up to 200 mg of isoflavones/day, same timing as clomid, so typically days 3-7 or 5-9. i wouldnt recommend anyone start with more than 80-100 mg, so you can see how you react to it. just one word of caution- if you have an underlying thyroid issue, you very possibly will not o at all on soy, or will be much delayed- it can mess up your cycles too. like clomid and any of the estrogen receptor modulators, soy will affect your thyroid, and that will in turn affect your o's if your level is a tad low to begin with. on the plus side, i did soy for the first time this cycle, o'd at the normal time which for me is around cd 14, had WAY more o pain- i'm taking that as a good thing, in fact, i felt it on both ovaries, and had one of my highest temps ever 3 dpo- which im also taking for a good sign given that i have a lpd, and had by far the most ewcm i have ever seen in my life- the first time it ever actually looked like the pictures where you can stretch it 5 or 6 inches. i took 40 mg.

[ZoeJane'sMommy]

Originally Posted by karmab

had WAY more o pain- i'm taking that as a good thing, in fact, i felt it on both ovaries, and had one of my highest temps ever 2 dpo- which im also taking for a good sign given that i have a lpd, and had by far the most ewcm i have ever seen in my life- the first time it ever actually looked like the pictures where you can stretch it 5 or 6 inches. i took 40 mg.

You know I bought some back in may and was going to start taking them this cycle but I was like, I think I am just going to see if the metformin can do by itself. Now I am regretting it. I am doing it no matter what next(well unless Im prego). I am going to do 40mg the first 3 days and then bump up to 80 mg the last two days.

[scarletjane]

oh, sweetbee, sorry you're dealing with this. that sounds really frustrating. I am going to echo some of the sentiment already posted, but just wanted to chime in. Temps will tell you more than the OPK's, which is why it's best to use them as back-up to confirm ovulation. A positive OPK does not guarantee that you'll ovulate. They indicate an LH surge, which usually means you'll ovulate, but is no guarantee. It looks like your body geared up and then didn't follow through, for whatever reason.

And even though this kind of cycle is really annoying, I wouldn't be worried about it. I'm guessing it's just an off-cycle. One strange cycle can just be an anomaly and not indicative of any problems, so try if you can to not think there's something wrong with your body. I am also guessing that it will not be anovulatory. I think it will just be late. If I were you, I'd just have sex every other day for now and keep temping. You could continue on with the OPK's if you find them helpful.. or just scratch them.

good luck! i'll be keeping my fingers crossed for you!

[Banana731]

Bee- I took about 80mg from cd 3-7. It basically moved O up by 10 days, to the time when I had been "gearing up" to O. I actually felt like like that gear up was what made soy a reasonable choice for me. I guess I was right!

[Sweet.Bee]

I guess I'll try the soy next cycle if there is one. Waiting almost a month to O is annoying.

So, what do you all think?

Based on that spike and the fact that my pre-O temps are relatively consistent and don't go that high, I'm going to be optimistic and say I've Oed.

The question is why it would happen so long after the OPKs went back to negative? And what about those O pains I felt? Right now, I'm feeling kind of weird, actually. Dull pain at my right ovary and a kind of cramping in my uterus, almost like I would when my period starts (though I had zero cramps this period), but my temp just shot up.

[CLH_X3]

Originally Posted by Sweet.Bee

I guess I'll try the soy next cycle if there is one. Waiting almost a month to O is annoying.

So, what do you all think?

Based on that spike and the fact that my pre-O temps are relatively consistent and don't go that high, I'm going to be optimistic and say I've Oed.

The question is why it would happen so long after the OPKs went back to negative? And what about those O pains I felt? Right now, I'm feeling kind of weird, actually. Dull pain at my right ovary and a kind of cramping in my uterus, almost like I would when my period starts (though I had zero cramps this period), but my temp just shot up.

If you take soy next cycle I am to... we can be Soy buddies Share how it makes us feel etc?

[ZoeJane'sMommy]

Originally Posted by Sweet.Bee

I guess I'll try the soy next cycle if there is one. Waiting almost a month to O is annoying.

So, what do you all think?

Based on that spike and the fact that my pre-O temps are relatively consistent and don't go that high, I'm going to be optimistic and say I've Oed.

The question is why it would happen so long after the OPKs went back to negative? And what about those O pains I felt? Right now, I'm feeling kind of weird, actually. Dull pain at my right ovary and a kind of cramping in my uterus, almost like I would when my period starts (though I had zero cramps this period), but my temp just shot up.

Well Sweet Bea since we seem to be close on cycles and we are both in the same boat. I am trying soy next cycle (unless doc says no, which I do see her on the 28th). So we can try them together. I have heard great sucess and it will not be bad for your body to take soy for just 5 days a month. I say lets all go for it.

[Sweet.Bee]

CLH_X3 and ZoeJane'sMommy, let's all try soy next cycle together. Assuming we're not pregnant this cycle, which we certainly will be.

[Banana731]

It's still in the range of normal, 48hrs. My understanding is that it's like chain reaction. The estrogen reaches a certain threshold and that sets off the LH surge. Then the LH surge reaches a a certain threshold and that releases the egg. Once you reach that threshold, the LH drops off pretty quickly. Check out this cool chart!

[karmab]

yeah that, banana. there's a chloride ion shift too, apparently, just before the lh surge- that's how the ovwatch works, which gives about 2 days more warning. my o was 48 hours after my 2nd +opk this month, which is a lil longer than normal for me. i double checked it with the ff guides (ruby) and she said, yeah, that's totally within normal.