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8/6/10 at 10:49pm
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For those that would/do allow/encourage marijuana usage in their homes, does this also extend to other drugs (i.e. cocaine/heroin)? If no...why not?
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I think open communication is far more important than reacting with an iron fist over something like smoking pot... I just don't see it as the end all, be all doorway to other drug use. Some people are more predisposed to use drugs to escape... or even for recreation. Some people drink in the same manner... but that's legal.
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The thing about Katie's story.. is that's it's quite unusual and Henry didn't die from pot smoking. He died from a series of very catastrophic events and a lot harder substances than pot. My son looks an awful lot like Henry did and my heart ached for her when I came across her story. I spoke with my oldest and he actually read through Henry's story and felt a huge connection with him.
I think open communication is far more important than reacting with an iron fist over something like smoking pot... I just don't see it as the end all, be all doorway to other drug use. Some people are more predisposed to use drugs to escape... or even for recreation. Some people drink in the same manner... but that's legal. |
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Right, but it all starts somewhere, you know? She regrets how laid back she was when Henry first confessed to using pot, which was why I shared the link. Here's what she says:
http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/homew...on-Granju.aspx |
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DH and I are wrestling over how to handle DS who we are pretty sure is smoking pot with his friends. He will be 18 in 2 months, and is planning on attending the local community college. Do we drug test him at home? I hate that idea. Do we tell him he has to stop or he has to leave home? I hate that idea too. Not really having any other problems with him, just don't know what's the wise thing to do.
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1) I don't think any one here is saying they would encourage it. Just that they wouldn't have a problem with it.
And 2) Seriously? What's the difference between marijuana and cocaine/heroine? I have to ask just because so you can ignore the next sentence if you want but... Are you for real? Ok, now here's a quick run down. Heroine is a highly addictive, dangerous drug that one can easily OD on and/or get dragged deep into the underground drug scene, including but not limited too, dealing, prostitution, and violent criminal behaviour. Cocaine is also a highly addictive, dangerous drug that can easily be OD'd on and/or drag someone deep into the underground drug scene, this includes but is not limited too, dealing, prostitution and violent criminal behaviour. Marijuana on the other hand is low risk for addiction (I believe it was found that the average person would have to smoke multiple times a day, every day for six months at least to even be at risk of developing an addiction). There have been no (zero, zilch, none what so ever) recorded incidents of people od on THC. |
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I think some people are so into their cause of legalization it clouds their views on other subjects.
The subject is.. should I allow my child to do illegal activities in MY home? What right does a teenager have to destroy his/her family? By him doing illegal drugs he takes the chance of his parents going to prison, losing their jobs, putting their child/parent relationship on the line, and losing their HOME. He has ZERO right to put that risk onto anyone but himself. A cop is not going to care who's drugs it is... it's been on tv all the time.. your house YOUR drugs. Oh it was the renters the kids.. doesn't matter YOUR house YOUR DRUGS. Say goodbye to your job because your in jail on drug charges and the cops legally can confiscate your home in a drug bust. Like it or not. BTW, as for all the other random rebuttals that do not have anythign to do with the topic.. yes I think it is a gateway drug BECAUSE you are making contacts in the drug community and tend to only befriend people who are mj friendly and it's those people who are going to know people who do other drugs (including prescription meds). And I am guessing more than 1% of the mj community has dabbled in other things like mushrooms, acid... whatever. Maybe they didn't become a crack head but they have tested their body out. As for addiction. There is now a study about people who have addictions have it in their brain make up to be addicted to anything. You can definitely be addicted to mj, same as you can be completely addicted to food. But yes crack is worse but mj can completely destroy your life and it can take only a few months. (fact from exp) How is it different than speeding? I would cry if my child sped and risked his life everyday. You can't demand anything from anyone but giving up my life just so you could die wouldn't sit well with me... but it also won't mean I will be going to jail when you kill that family of 6 on the highway. I'll "just" be out a kid. (ugh) However if my kid was underage say 13... and speeding.. I'm pretty sure I would be on the hook for SOMETHING. There are also now studies out that show pot smoking is twice as bad for your lungs than tobacco. It's not the sweet things people make it out to be. So no your child should NOT be allowed to dictate YOUR life and risk YOUR life. Can he risk his own? Unfortunately. Should you test him? He's too old for that. Should he be forced to not have it in your home if that bothers you? Absolutely. Can pot hurt him in the long run? Absolutely. |
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My oldest daughters biological father started out smoking pot. He moved on to harder and harder drugs. He knew I had a no drug policy as far as dating goes and he managed to hide his drug use from me for the 8 months or so that we were a couple. He hung himself at the age of 24. As far as I know the adults in his life always chose to either pretend the problem was not there or walk the hard line of do as I say or get out.
<snip> My oldest sister started smoking pot as a young teen to be "cool". She continued down that path and is addicted to drugs to this day. Her life has been an on again off again MESS including her children frequently being taken for her and in some cases her abandoning them. It is nothing short of mind boggling that she is still alive, especially since she has actively tried to take her own life 3 separate times. Sadly her life is more regret when she looks back on it than anything else. |
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Obviously, long term use of hard drugs just makes life worse, not better. But who is to say that the young man might not have taken his life earlier if not for the escape that drugs provide? If my kids wanted to do drugs, my first response would not be "No!" It would be "Why?" I'd want to know what they were seeking.
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Okay....I think you misunderstood my question. I am familiar with the differences in the drugs (your condescension aside). To clarify what I was asking: Would your tolerance of marijuana usage in your home extend to other drugs?
I guess by your response, your answer would be no? So are you saying you would kick a heroin/cocaine user out of your home? This seems as counter productive as kicking a marijuana user out of your home. If you wouldn't kick a heroin/cocaine user out of your home, but would instead seek treatment for that individual, why wouldn't you do so for someone using marijuana, if you don't condone it's usage. In your previous posts you seem to imply that marijuana can be a good thing (a stress reliever), you know several intelligent people who use it regularly, and that it has no negative health effects. (I disagree with that assessment, by the way. Several studies have shown that marijuana smoke has 50-70% more carcinogens than tobacco smoke. Additionally, studies have shown that THC is a disinhibitor (like alcohol), leading individuals to more risky behaviors like driving under the influence, sexual risk taking, etc.) Now...I have to admit, I am for decriminalization of all drugs. I believe it should be treated as a health problem. And yes, I see it as a health problem to self medicate with marijuana, narcotics, or alcohol in an effort to "relax", "chill-out", or "decompress". There are more healthful ways to do this than ingesting carcinogenic substances into your body. The angle I was coming at in my questions was to explore the boundaries people have for the acceptance of certain drugs over others. I'm sorry if you misunderstood. |
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BTW, as for all the other random rebuttals that do not have anythign to do with the topic.. yes I think it is a gateway drug BECAUSE you are making contacts in the drug community and tend to only befriend people who are mj friendly and it's those people who are going to know people who do other drugs (including prescrption meds). And I am guessing more than 1% of the mj community has dabbled in other things like mushrooms, acid... whatever. Maybe they didn't become a crack head but they have tested their body out. |
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Off topic, How would using drugs be "escaping"? you have problems so you turn to a substance that, unless you live under a rock, know for a fact will destroy you inside and out and will cause the rest of your life to be miserable, like attempting sobriety for the rest of your life... be escaping? It would make your problems ten times worse. I, intellectually, don't get that. I have no respect for people who PURPOSEFULLY destroy themselves and then want a pat on the back when they attempt sobriety like celebrities. Maybe it's the alien in me that does not understand how nausea, dizziness, unprotected bad sex with stds, vomiting, chronic addiction to fight every minute for the rest of your life would make anyone feel better or that they've escaped anything. Just the thought makes me queezy. Try yoga or therapy or gardening.
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. Not everyone embraces the bourgeois lifestyle.
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Off topic, How would using drugs be "escaping"? you have problems so you turn to a substance that, unless you live under a rock, know for a fact will destroy you inside and out and will cause the rest of your life to be miserable, like attempting sobriety for the rest of your life... be escaping? It would make your problems ten times worse. I, intellectually, don't get that. I have no respect for people who PURPOSEFULLY destroy themselves and then want a pat on the back when they attempt sobriety like celebrities. Maybe it's the alien in me that does not understand how nausea, dizziness, unprotected bad sex with stds, vomiting, chronic addiction to fight every minute for the rest of your life would make anyone feel better or that they've escaped anything. Just the thought makes me queezy. Try yoga or therapy or gardening.
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