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Saxon versus Singapore

post #1 of 30
Thread Starter 
I am very new to this...actually I haven't started yet. My son is in Kindergarten right now in PS. I wanted to HS him this year but I have 2 year old twins and was scared of how well I would be able to do it. I AM homeschooling him for 1st grade though and right now am in the midst of choosing curriculums. Right now I'm obsessing on Math and I want some "professionals" opinions. There is actually another curriculum I'm looking into besides Singapore and Saxon but I can't think of the name right off. So please tell me what you use and the adv and disadv of it. By the way, what concerns me about the Singapore is the fact that there isn't much help for the parent in how to present the material...and also the difference in money, measurement, etc.....
Thanks for any help,
Heather
post #2 of 30
My dd loves Singapore. She's very independant though, and prefers to work on it herself--we don't sit down for lessons. She's had no trouble working through the books on her own. (She's on level 3 now.)

I don't know how long ago you looked into Singapore, but they now have teacher's guides and a US version (with English measurements.) I haven't seen the teacher's guides, but if you go to the website, you can view examples and the table of contents, etc. There is also a message board there if you have questions about a particular problem or the series in general.

Dd started with Singapore before they had the US version--she worked the metric pages, and skipped the money pages. She learned the English measurements and American money just through everyday life.

I like how Singapore will show several ways to attack a problem, and also emphasizes "mental math."

I looked at Saxon about 4 years ago and it struck me as very dry and repetitious--lots of drill, and I didn't like how scripted it was. (ymmv) It reminded me of school!
post #3 of 30
We started Singapore math last year and my son likes it. I decided on it because I heard Saxon was very repetitive and didn't think that was my sons style.

And I like that it is metric because I don't understand inches and feet
post #4 of 30
Hi there,

We had bought Saxon65 for my 9yr old last yr and we absolutly hated it. My son was soooo bored with it that we had to quit using it.
We just went and bought some workbooks at the local school supply store instead and worked on that.
Last week I ordered our first real curriculum,Oak Meadow 5 with OM6 math-I hope that we will like it.

Tina
post #5 of 30

I love Saxon but it may be too dry and

repetitive as the posters above mentioned
I am very weak in Math ( discalculia) and dh was to teach math but it didn't happen that way.
I also have a child on the autism spectrum so the reinforcement has been good for him
But I have also found it to be very hands on with the manipulatives and he is a visual/audio learner..
My daughter really liked the Math U See..
post #6 of 30
Okay, what are Saxon and Singapore?

joyful
post #7 of 30

Re: Saxon versus Singapore

Quote:
Originally posted by momto3cuties
There is actually another curriculum I'm looking into besides Singapore and Saxon but I can't think of the name right off.
Miquon?

This is what I want, when DS is old enough.

Sonlight's print catalog gives an in-depth description of theses three methods, which is probably also on their website. www.sonlight.com
post #8 of 30
Joyful, they're math programs designed for homeschoolers.

Saxon: http://www.saxonhomeschool.com/math/...9A720011784C41

Singapore: http://www.singaporemath.com

Math-U-See and Moving With Math are two other name I see often on homeschooling boards.
post #9 of 30
I am dealing with the same question. I've haven't come to any sort of decision, but thought I'd include a few links that I've been researching. My problem is that all of the different approachs make sense to me. We're pretty much secular unschoolers who are finding the need for a little more structure.

http://www.mathusee.com/
http://www.profb.com/homeschoolers.htm
http://www.welltrainedmind.com/J01singapore.html
http://www.systemath.com/

I'd love to hear any opinions on this too!
post #10 of 30
Thank you, Joan.

joyful
post #11 of 30
We use Miquon, and then move to Singapore 3 when we're through with Miquon. If I had a child who needed extra drill I might combine Miquon with Sinagpore, and if that didn't work THEN I would think about using Saxon.
post #12 of 30
Wow, that was a great comparison of Singapore/Saxon at the Well Trained Mind Newsletter site. I've been dithering about which math curriculum to choose.

I think that a parent who is good at math could use Saxon math, but supplement the instruction with mental math activities of his/her own invention. At least in the early grades. I think that's what I'm going to do.

I want a math curriculum that will leave my children competent in advanced math such as calculus (eventually.) Just because most people do not choose math-demanding careers such as physics or engineering doesn't mean we shouldn't give our children the tools to pursue such a career if they chose.
post #13 of 30
I've heard people like Math U See but don't know much beyond that. I'm so hesitant to make a financial commitment to one when I feel so undecided.
post #14 of 30
All I know about Math U See is that it provides videos for the parent to watch and that watching them is a major time committment. I don't like learning through a video, so I've rejected that one, plus I can't warm up to an educational curriculum, even a math one, that spells "you" as "U".:

A friend of mine is using Saxon for her sixth grade ds and A Beka for her 3rd grade dd. She said that the Saxon seems really hard, but her ds is doing well with it.
post #15 of 30
Quote:
Originally posted by daylily
plus I can't warm up to an educational curriculum, even a math one, that spells "you" as "U".:
:LOL I hadn't even thought of that and usually something like that would irk me!

My fear with Saxon is that it is going to be very time consuming and a drastic change from our unschooling style. At this point I have a 4th grader who is fearful of math and really want to make the right decision so I don't turn her off any further. My main goal would be that she be able to think mathmatically and know where to turn to figure out whatever she may need to know. I'm trying to weigh in my mind how much rote learning or repetition is necessary or beneficial. I really go back and forth on this
post #16 of 30
Thanks for the links. I haven't decided how we're going to "do" Math yet, but after perusing the Singapore website, I think we're going to go with them. I definitely don't want a program that a majority of people think is boring or repetitive.
post #17 of 30
Thread Starter 

Thanks everyone

I just wanted to thank you all for your input here. I'm still up in the air but yall gave me some things to consider. I've actually added two other curriculums to my "possibilities" list. :
I'm going to a homeschool curriculum warehouse this weekend that has all four of the curriculums I'm considering so at least I'll get to look at them.
Thanks again for all of the input,
post #18 of 30
My mother used Saxon math texts with us when I was homeschooled years ago... I cannot describe to you my level of hatred for them. However, I was in 7th grade, so perhaps the younger grades are better.
post #19 of 30
The SAxon series is very regimented and structured.

John Saxon was a retired Air Force Officer who did not like the "new math" of the early 1960's and published this series as a reaction against it. One of the reasons the Saxon series is so repetitive is because he discovered his math students would forget how to do one process while focusing on another, so his approach was to introduce one concept at a time and build it on top of other math concepts while at the same time keeping all other math concepts current in the student's recall. Saxon bedcame a millionaire from selling this series and has since published a phonics series. He worked closely with Jaime Escalante, of "Stand and Deliver" fame.

A-Beka is a good alternative to Saxon, I feel. Regimented, yes, but easier to work with.

Bertrand Russell, a philosopher, was the mind behind the "new math" which focused on set theory at an early stage - third grade - and then focused alot on other number bases and clock arithmetic. The math was fun, but the connections were never made for me and it totally confused me. I had a problem transitioning over to regular math when the time came, and by then I was totally confused.
post #20 of 30

I recently bought Miquon Math

My dd and I both LOVE it. Very relaxed, and fits well with my unschooling leanings. I tried Saxon Math K and I HATED it, and so did my dd. It was too regimented. She wants to play and learn her own way, on her own terms, and that's what I want for her as well.

A note for the original poster- you should critically consider how you want to set up a math lab or store manipulatives since you have twin 2 yos. With Saxon, there are a LOT of manipulatives, and you DO NOT want them scattered all over the house. You'll probablly need to stay right on top of things to make sure the kids don't carry them off.
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