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Does anybody do Square Foot Gardening?

post #1 of 23
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I have been having lots of problems with my current garden. I remembered seeing this book a few years back and so I grabbed it from the library. It really sounds neat--and I think it has the potential to do what I need. I would love to hear how it has worked for anyone (other than the author!)

http://www.amazon.com/All-New-Square...9053199&sr=1-1

Amy
post #2 of 23
Sort of. We modify it, but essentially yes, we do square foot gardening. I love it so far, I'll let you know how it worked out at the end of the season
pictures here:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Urb...515079?ref=sgm
post #3 of 23
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emnic77--I love your triangle shaped bed. Is it hard to reach the middle of it?

I have done raised beds before with a fair amount of sucess. I like the idea of the square foot method because I don't need all my harvest at once, the weeding will be less, the harvest more continuous, the deer will be eating elsewhere, it has eye appeal, and I think his "blend" for soil will work better than what I had before. I also like that I will start small and add beds as needed. A few things won't go there--we have a great raspberry patch and I just made a raised bed for strawberries that is doing well. My rhubarb will stay where it is too.

So, anyone else?

Amy
post #4 of 23
we also modify the method. I found a REALLY old book w similar practices, but better soil improvements (sorry, can't remember the title or put my hands on it, but will update if I do )

We started at a new home this year w 10 beds, each 4x4, and my 2 DS have 3 beds to share, each 6x6 for the "Zuni Waffle Garden" (a corn, a squash or melon and a pole bean in each square foot).

We LOVE LOVE LOVE it so far, and only the okra are getting eaten by beetles so far-- time to get out the peppermint soap (unless you all have a better tip for me!)

blessings
post #5 of 23
Amy, no, we can reach the middle fine (it's the strawberry patch so that makes it easier).
We do a lot of succession planting and a lot of companion planting. The one thing we need to be diligent about is compost side dressing, because we are planting so densely that we will likely deplete the soil very quickly if we don't. We get a fish CSA with whole fish, so we have the "trimmings" from fish to compost, which is worth it's weight in gold for compost!!

Our corn/squash/bean bed is packed. We just planted a second round of corm in there, it's laughable how much stuff we stuffed into that bed. But, everything seems to be growing, we are about to be deluged with string bean. I'll put up pictures later today.
post #6 of 23
We do square foot gardening (modified). This is our first year. Hubby built a 4'x8' box and it's about 3 feet deep instead of 1. We also didn't use Mel's mix, just a whole bunch of triple mix (took 2 cubic yards to fill it). I do plan on incorporating some vermiculite into our compost as we add it though.

Everything's growing great. Our tomato plants are about 5 feet high. Our squash plants have reached the top of our 6 foot trellises and are running out of room.

We found that it works really well and learned a lot in our first year - some things (like tomato plants) really do take up a lot more than 1 foot square!

We're building a 2nd box this fall for next year.
post #7 of 23
Here are more pics, with squash/corn/bean bed:

http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/...6515079&ref=mf
post #8 of 23
Thread Starter 
Well, that is enough encouragement for me! I will be trying it--maybe modified as well.

emnic77--your pictures are great! they make me drool for my garden to perform even half as well. Another question, this one off topic. Your playset looks like our childlife one, except your monkey bars are higher off the ground. Is it a childlife set? If so, did you modify it to get the monkey bars higher? How?

Amy
post #9 of 23
It is childlife, but we just bougt the house a year ago and the previous owners left the playset. They still come over once a week for piano lessons so I'll ask next time I see them and thanks! I also recommend Ruth Stout's no work gardening book.

Nak
post #10 of 23
We use it as well, with soil instead of mel's mix. We have three 4x8 beds, and plan to add another three next year. I'll add a picture link in a bit (NAK).

Edited to add: http://thetrivialpursuitofhappiness....ard-homestead/
post #11 of 23
I used Mel's mix for one of my beds and it is surely luxurious soil. I also transplanted a few mature bulb flowers into it and it was amazing to see how much they liked it - they were already mature and grown but WHOA! They were just really happy.

However, I won't do any more of Mel's mix because I do not wish to use peat moss or vermiculite, they are nonrenewable and mined (mining is a destructive process).

My second garden bed, which I made this year, I did about half compost and half soil. Honestly, the soil quality was awful - the $1 bags from WalMart which are basically clay. I just asked DH to pick up some garden soil and wasn't specific, and he figured - hey, $1 a bag, good deal. I opened one up and I was like "oh no, this is awful." I used it anyway, figuring a half compost mix would even it out - and it did! So even with the awful clay soil, the garden is thriving. (Note: the compost was homemade, which is much better quality than purchased compost).

How much weeding do I do? I kid you not, I have not pulled one weed this year. Next year I am sure I'll have to weed a bit in the spring. But since everything is intensively planted, there's no place for weeds.

For my first bed I follwed Mel's directions and made it out of wood. I didn't finish it. It's deteriorated some over the years (obviously) but still holding up.

For my second bed, I bought these interlocking bricks from WalMart. One end of the brick is rounded, and the other is concave, to fit the rounded end of the next brick. They are red and pretty. They were 6 inches high (and 12 inches long) so I stacked them 2 bricks high. No mortar or anything. I don't recall the exact price but I think they were about $1.50 each - which can add up. For a 4x4 garden you'd need 32 bricks, which is $48 - but it's easy, no building, no rotting, very pretty. I had my whole garden set up in an hour (I mean just laying the ground cloth, assembling the bricks, and mixing the soil/compost mix and pouring it in).

A really huge tip, which Mel mentions, but worth mentioning again: put the garden in a place where you ARE. Don't put it way out in the corner of your property (not unless that's the ONLY place with sun or something). I didnt take that advice for my first garden bed and now I have only plants I don't need to tend. The second garden is right outside my back door, and I visit it at least every day, often more. Heck, we often eat dinner around it. We knew exactly when a pest started munching on the broccoli and the garden has never known thirst. I think just plain paying attention to the plants help them grow - just the attention alone, not the actions.
post #12 of 23
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Wow Ivymae! you have done a lot! I had fun looking at your blog--I will be showing dh as he is very skeptical of this. I would love to have chickens too, but that will def not be happening this year. Oh, what is it that you have covering your bed? It looks like a sun shade or something.

laohaire--thanks for the tips. I like th brick idea. We expect this home to be our permanent residence, so I would like to build the garden once if possible. And, fortunately, I will be looking out at our garden from the kitchen window.

Thanks again for all the tips -- keep them coming.

Amy
post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by emnic77 View Post
It is childlife, but we just bougt the house a year ago and the previous owners left the playset. They still come over once a week for piano lessons so I'll ask next time I see them and thanks! I also recommend Ruth Stout's no work gardening book.

Nak
Just put the book on hold at our library, thanks!
post #14 of 23
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Originally Posted by AAK View Post
Wow Ivymae! you have done a lot! I had fun looking at your blog--I will be showing dh as he is very skeptical of this. I would love to have chickens too, but that will def not be happening this year. Oh, what is it that you have covering your bed? It looks like a sun shade or something.
Thanks Amy! Yeah, it's a sunshade. We have all our brassicas under there, in hopes of getting them to give a small harvest before they go to seed (we've only been marginally successful so far - brassicas in the summer is a long shot, but we thought we'd try). It's just a couple PVC poles with commercial sunshade material, held on by binderclips. We'll use the same poles/clips with plastic as a warm house for late fall/early spring crops.

I noticed you are in Eastern Washington as well, so we may share a zone. We're in Spokane on the south hill, but the climate changes so much around here, depending on which direction you go in.

We decided to go with raised beds because we're suspicious of our soil (possible lead contamination), and i like the idea of biointensive gardening since we have a small city lot and big plans. if you google "biointensive farming" you'll find a lot of great info beyond just the square foot garden method. I'm a bit of an over-planner though, so don't get overwhelmed by all the info - the first year is for experimenting.
post #15 of 23
I've done it before, and if you're serious about gardening (like you'd do more than 1 bed), that soil mix is just unrealistic. I now do lasagna gardening with the soil. I do love his trellis idea and have made several. I also did get from the book how to space plants correctly.
post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by root*children View Post
I've done it before, and if you're serious about gardening (like you'd do more than 1 bed), that soil mix is just unrealistic. I now do lasagna gardening with the soil. I do love his trellis idea and have made several. I also did get from the book how to space plants correctly.
I have heard of lasagna gardening--I will have to look it up though since I don't know much. Why do you think the soil mix is unrealistic. It seems a bit $$$ for the start up, but then you just keep adding compost.

Ivymae--I am in the South Valley off of the Sullivan exit. So, we are within 30 min of each other. Small world!

Amy
post #17 of 23
because it's not a bit of money, it's freakin expensive!! I forget exactly how much it was now, but I filled only a few beds and had already spent over $100 dollars (this was with my own compost). I had 8 beds to fill, 4 of which were the deep ones. I just like to save money by gardening, not spend so much Also, peat moss is not ecologically friendly to be using (google it).
post #18 of 23
Yeah, we found that for the of beds we had to fill, the least expensive route was to order a truck full of dirt. 50/50 soil/compost mix. It did have weed seed in it, but it cost us $450 to fill every single bed, with enough left over to refill the potato bed when we added a "skirt" to it. I don't mind weeding, and mulch took care of it for the most part anyway. we did not have enough compost to be able to fill even 2 beds - being our first year in the house - but we have been able to side dress liberally this season.

Lasagna gardening is what we're doing from here on out though.
post #19 of 23
I use the spacing recs from the SFG book, but don't plant exactly by that method. I do agree that this is a must read gardening book; I have definitely referenced my copy of this book more than any other.

For soil, we saved money by building our raised beds with landscaping timbers, stacked two high, and not filled to the top. We just made several trips to Lowe's and filed the trunk with bags of humus, manure, and some other stuff. And have used compost ever since, even to fill up new beds. The compost tumbler helps A LOT with making compost, too. We keep expanding every season and now have about 350 sq feet total of beds.
post #20 of 23
We talked to the guys over at Spokane Hydroponics (since they have the bulk vermeculite) and they helped us work out how much it would be to do Mel's Mix for our three beds.
Our math, for curiosity's sake:

each of our bed's (4x8x12) take about 1.25 cubic yards of soil, so we need 11 cu ft of each component.
11cuft of peat moss: $25
11cuft of compost: $20
11cuft of vermeculite: $60

So each bed would have been over $100, and that's if I buy in bulk/on sale. With three beds this year (and more next year) the cost would have quickly become prohibitive. I can see doing a few small 4x4x6 beds with Mel's mix, but for large scale gardening, it doesn't seem cost effective.

For comparison's sake, a cubic yard of 30/30/30 soil (black peat soil, organic compost and sand - seed free)was $20, and then we just add compost each year/grow a winter green cover. We do have to fertilize/water more often than we would with mel's mix, but personally I do not mind spending time outside with the plants.
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