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Lots of tests/Lots of questions!!!

post #1 of 11
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This is going to be long one so hopefully I can get it all out and you can stay with me...lol

Madison is 5 years old, Starting kindergarten in the fall. Madison has always been very high needs. Needs lots of attention, wont sit still very any length of time, has screaming fits or anything, wont listen or comprehend what she is being told to do, time out/spanking/discipline of kind does not work with her.

ADD runs in my family and I have thought for a very long time that she had it but didnt know where to go for help or what kind of help there might be for someone so young.
I found a psychologist in Dec. and started there. They said ADD and started her on Adderall and therapy. The therapy was stupid.."how does that make you feel Madison" I need help with her behavior and this was not helping at all. Adderall made her even more emotional. Kept her up all night!! After about a month they switched her to Focalin. That seemed to help some but after a few months it wore off. It took 3 months to get another appointment to change the meds and by then I was fed up with this place!! I took her off the meds and asked my ped about seeing someone different.

May: The place we found wanted to do a bunch of psychological testing on her. Seemed like we may be on the right path. So she spends 2 hours with this guy doing testing. But then we had to come back because she was being too difficult to continue. What should have only take another hour of testing to complete ended up taking 2. Then we went in for the results. Yes, they believe she has ADHD, but there are some underlining problems that they want to investigate. They said, which I already knew about her, she is very emotional. When there is something hard for her to do or something she doesnt want to do she will shut down or try to manipulate her way out of it. Yup, thats my Madison!! They decided they wanted to do more indepth testing and try out Interactive Metronome (IM).

5 more hours of testing!! This time it was with two women and I think she enjoyed it a lot more. They tried the IM training and it was too much for her.

Results again: So this part is fuzzy and confusing to me. They went over the tests that she did and said on most of the tests she was below average or impaired. They said she has a hard time with executive decisions, problem solving. They say its stuff that is controlled by her frontal lobes so they want her to see a neurologist and see if there is damage. They also wanted to start brain training with her.

Madison has also had problems sleeping. Since she was 1 years old, she has woken up during the night. It started to get bad last Sept. when she would wake and then not go back to sleep. Im talking like getting up at 3am and not going back to sleep till 8/9pm that night!! She also takes forever to go to sleep. The ped back in Sept. wasnt concerned, said to try melatonin to get her into a sleep pattern. Didnt really work!! Well this new psychologist wanted us to see a sleep specialist so we did.
Madison had a sleep study done, which she was amazing for!!! They said there are times that her Co2 levels are higher and they think her adenoids maybe enlarged. So off to ENT we go!! lol (everyone still following our journey lol)

ENT says he cant see them, doesnt want to put a tube in her nose because he can tell she will freak out. So he says he wants to sedate her and look at them and if needed take them out. That is going to be July 29th.

The last few weeks we have been doing brain training games with the therapist, which she loves. Makes me feel totally guilty becuase I feel like I should be able to do this stuff with her but we have 3 kids and Im pregnant and there just isnt enough time in a day!!

Ok, today was the appointment with the neurologist. He again agrees with ADHD diagnosis and after talk to us and her, he also thinks she has ODD Oppositional defiant disorder and/or bipolar. He says there are a lot of meds that he can use to help with this but first more testing!!..lol...

Tomorrow we are going for blood work which is not going to be fun!! Monday we go for a hour long EEG, results to that are Thursday. And then Sat. we are doing an overnight EEG where they will hook her up and then we get to take her home.

Ok I think that is everything!! lol Im confused and concered and just not sure about anything right now. I have had a few people say they would see someone else but essentially we have seen 4 different people and they are all pretty much saying the same thing.

When people see her, they see a normal kid that is acting up and this is tough for me because they blame me. Like Im a bad mom that cant control my kid. I hate it!! I hate feeling like I cant control her, I cant connect with her. I worry about her being behind other kids her age. She is smart, so smart!! But she has these hurdles she is going to have to get past and I hate that for her!! I hate that she has heard me talk about this stuff with my family and thinks there is something wrong with her!! She says she wants to be a doctor and a dentist and a mommy when she grows up and if thats what she wants I want her to have that!!

Im just looking for advice that Im on the right path for her and if there is anything I else I can do to help her.

If you made it this far..THANK YOU!!
post #2 of 11
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Oh I also ment to add, Madison doesnt now, nor never has looked anyone in the eye for more than a fraction of a second!! I forgot to tell that to the neuro and its been bugging me alll night!!!!
post #3 of 11
Some of what you said about your daughter rang true to me with my son (always been high needs, won't (or doesn't) listen, can't sit still, needs lots of attention to get the smallest tasks done, lots of melt downs etc.) And when you mentioned the eye contact, that did concern me.

Have you thought about doing testing for autism like the CARS or something like that? ADOS? Gilliam Asperger's scale? I am not saying your daughter has autism, but I think it might be wise to check out. Sometimes kids at the high end of the spectrum slip by unnoticed until school age, or even into adulthood. It can be subtle and misunderstood, especially in girls. Are there other issues that you are worried about? repetitive hand or body movements or repetitive language? focus on a special topic of interest? hyperlexia? sensitivities to sounds, sights, touch, foods; motor skills issues?

It is a pretty big spectrum, and some people believe that under the autism "umbrella" there any many related disorders such as PDD-NOS, Asperger's, adhd/ADD, sensory processing disorder, bi-polar, OCD, some have even included dyslexia.

Also just because someone has been diagnosed with ADHD, does not mean they don't also have another co-exisiting condition as well. In fact, it is very common.

I also want to say Hang in there! I also had people telling me the behavior was all my fault and could be remedied only by the right parenting, which was always out of my reach. Things are much better over here now that we have a clear picture of what is going on.
post #4 of 11
oh and I'd love to hear your thoughts on Interactive Metronome... I only just heard about it last month and am curious about learning more about it.
post #5 of 11
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First dont really know what to say about IM. It took about 30 min. just to get her to do it. It was very interesting. From the paper work they gave me on it its supposed to be really effective.
I did fill out paperwork for GADS but thats been it about it. My thoughts have always been leaning towards Asperger's but when I ask them about her being that or on the spectrum they tell me they dont want to say she has that yet. My only thoughts are that maybe they are waiting to see what the neurologist says and if it comes back that she has no damage to the frontal lobes they will determine something like Aspergers.

Yesterday she went for her first EEG and she did really good. Sat. is the overnight EEG.

It really pissed me off on the way to the EEG. My grandma went with me to help with the other kids and the whole way there she kept saying how much she hopes its just a discipline problem and that she think there is nothing wrong with Madison. I dont want something to be wrong but I hate that she thinks I am doing something worng!!!

Here is a good example and maybe someone can help tel me how I should have handled this...
Morgan pulled the mattress out of the top bunk. I am sitting a foot from them, telling them nicely to put the mattress back. No response. Again "put the mattress back" no response. "Look at me, I want the matress back in the bed" no response. I am now lost at what to do!!! If I spank them, then they will just be sitting there crying and still not putting it away. If I put them in time out, in 5 min. they will be getting up and still not being putting it away!!! What am I supposed to do???
post #6 of 11
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I wish I had someone close to help go over the tests they did and explain stuff to me!! The psychologist did but I am soo clueless!!!
post #7 of 11
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I wish I had someone close to help go over the tests they did and explain stuff to me!! The psychologist did but I am soo clueless!!!
Do you have a written report, or know the names of the tests? If you have descriptions of how she did, or her scores, there are people here who can help you understand what the terminology means. It is so overwhelming at first! And still can be, every time something new or different pops up.
post #8 of 11
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Do you have a written report, or know the names of the tests? If you have descriptions of how she did, or her scores, there are people here who can help you understand what the terminology means. It is so overwhelming at first! And still can be, every time something new or different pops up.
Yes I do have a written report with tests and results...help!!!...lol
post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by heamae View Post
Yes I do have a written report with tests and results...help!!!...lol
Can you type of the parts that were most confusing? If you put in the name of the test, there may be someone here who knows a little about it.
post #10 of 11
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Well her therapist said she would go over the results with us again so hopefully that helps with some understanding. After her first EEG came back normal the neuro said he wants to start her on abilify to help with her out bursts. I am not sure what to do at this point!!! I dont know if I want to put her on meds or not!!
post #11 of 11
Big hugs! I have a nearly 7 year old that was a 23 week preemie and as a result has some complications that don't fit neatly into a diagnosis. She has some learning differences, sensitivities and sensory needs on top of being blind. I completely understand the feeling of helplessness that comes with feeling that nothing in your parenting tool box is working. I would highly recommend trying to fill that tool box with some completely new skills. There is no one size fit all parenting style that is going to work with every child but the more skills we learn the easier it is to figure out what works with each child. Check out the gentle parenting forum and look for books that help with spirited children. Regardless of diagnosis, you'll need techniques to help create a peaceful home. I second looking into sensory issues. Try reading The Out of Sync Child to see if you see similarities. I think one of the most hurtful thing willing meaning people do so blame the parents of atypical kids for their behavior. I wish they understood that we blame/question ourselves enough that we don't need anyone else to! Stay strong! Vent here as needed.
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