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absolutely desperate for a change in naps/bedtime

post #1 of 12
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Just barely 3 year old son has always had a hard time going down for naps and bedtime. At about 2.5 he started seriously resisting his afternoon nap. I could force it with a car ride, and did sometimes, but I did not want to get into that cycle of needing to go for a ride, and wasting gas, to get a nap.

I hung in there knowing he would transition out of the nap all together and things would normalize -- eventually. Here we are six months later, basically on the same program. Some days he will nap, but not until 2ish, then be up until 10. BUT we have happy nights, everyone feels good, we can get out and do stuff, no meltdowns, we're all functional, only I get no personal or unwinding time for myself on these nights.

Next day he'll wake up at 8 and start deteriorating by late morning, and then trying to get a nap in becomes TORTURE. You know what I mean, trying to get a delirious, overtired toddler to nap when the neighbors kids are running around outside playing, dogs are barking, etc., etc.

So on the days he doesn't nap afternoons are a mess, he is totally half-awake and non-functioning, and all we can is try to make it through to diner and some semblance of bedtime routines. Sometimes it's relatively easy but usually on these no-nap days the bedtime routine is so much more exhausting and drawn out, leaving everyone miserable.

We're going on six months of this and I NEED A SHIFT ALREADY!

We do herbs regularly and have done melatonin (which has been a lifesaver at times) but I do not want to use it daily. I don't believe in physically forcing him against his will (though I admit I have done it and it has wrecked me). We've tried "quiet time" and sometimes that can help, but other days he will simply protest, run around, get wired, etc.

I'd love to hear your experiences or successes in the transition. I'm expecting my second in a few months and I really don't know how I can manage this much longer.
post #2 of 12
Hey riomidwife -
Congratulations on the coming #2!
I've got no new insights here, but I had to read your post because back here too we are struggling with similar things.

I keep hoping the monsoon season will help. It's late, of course.
post #3 of 12
Just wanted to commiserate. We are right there with you. Our 2 year old just went to sleep at 10:30! Before these late afternoon naps (2pm-5pm) every other day, we were on a great schedule. And I also like that we can go out and do stuff in the evenings...but still, 7pm bedtimes were wonderful for my 'me' time!
post #4 of 12
We just transitioned our 3 YO DD out of naps. One thing that helps is to allow her a light nap if she absolutely needs one. So, no more than an hour and no later than noonish. She still falls asleep by 7 p.m. without incident. Maybe you could do something like that? I have to wake her up so that she doesn't sleep for hours, but it seems to help her get through the rest of the day without disrupting her bedtime routine.
post #5 of 12
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Hi Leah! It's been so long! I miss you guys!

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Originally Posted by Nicole730 View Post
Just wanted to commiserate. We are right there with you. Our 2 year old just went to sleep at 10:30! Before these late afternoon naps (2pm-5pm) every other day, we were on a great schedule. And I also like that we can go out and do stuff in the evenings...but still, 7pm bedtimes were wonderful for my 'me' time!
Last night ds went down at 10, then no nap today, and fell asleep at 5:30. It's 7:30 now, he's woken up once but I got him back down. I am praying for a sleep through but it won't be dark for 2 more hours here. ARGH!!!

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We just transitioned our 3 YO DD out of naps. One thing that helps is to allow her a light nap if she absolutely needs one. So, no more than an hour and no later than noonish. She still falls asleep by 7 p.m. without incident. Maybe you could do something like that? I have to wake her up so that she doesn't sleep for hours, but it seems to help her get through the rest of the day without disrupting her bedtime routine.
That sounds ideal, but I can't get him to nap that early. He doesn't typically wake up until 7:30 or 8, and if he naps 1:30-2ish is the earliest I can get him in bed. And if he gets less than 2 or 2.5 hours of sleep he will wake up and be a tired, clingy, irritable fuss bomb for the rest of the afternoon so I just let him sleep. It's just not worth waking him up prematurely -- it's as if he never napped, but he'll still be up until 10.



I don't know that there is any answer. I just imagined this transition being a lot shorter in duration, like most of the previous shifts in napping/bedtime schedules.
post #6 of 12
I hope he slept through for you!

Today DS woke up at 8am, did not nap, and we put him to bed at 6:15 with no fuss. At least that part was nice. Now, I'm hoping he sleeps until at least 7am! Fingers crossed...
post #7 of 12
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an hour after he went down, and had already woken up twice, some random neighbors down the street started playing the cheesiest most awful guitar rock i've ever heard. i could not get down there to complain because i was home alone....so he was up every 10-20 minutes, then back down for a while, then up at 8.....and finally back down at 9:30. I am so done!
post #8 of 12
If he takes a late nap & goes to bed at 10, could you try to get him to sleep in til 9 or 10 in the morning? It sounds like the issue is he's not getting enough sleep at night some nights (the nights he naps)... And if he wakes up at 8am then maybe he needs a nap by 9am or so -- i.e. you shouldn't be trying to get a "delirious, overtired toddler to nap" -- that means you missed the window (trust me, I'm constantly missing the window with DS )

If he won't sleep in til 9 or 10, then you probably have to get him to nap by 11am/noon or not at all. With DS I notice that after he's been awake for ~4 hours he needs a nap, so I know if he wakes up early he neeps the nap a bit earlier. If you can figure out the pattern with your DS (and it might be only an hour or two after he wakes), that could help you get the timing right.

Also, having some sort of routine can kick-start a more predictable pattern -- for us, I took DS out of the house every morning after he woke up for a couple of weeks, and timed our return home to coincide with nap time. Sometimes I misjudged & he fell asleep in the car or we got home too early & he had trouble settling, but after a week or two I kind of figured out the timing. Now we still get out of the house most mornings but even if we don't, he tends to stick to the same general pattern.

ETA: Although I generally believe in letting kids sleep whenever they're tired, for as long as they want, we have found if we limit late naps he sleeps better & sticks to his 'pattern' better. He goes to bed ~11pm most nights so we try to reinforce that, and if he doesn't take a nap 'til 4 or 5pm then we gently wake him up after an hour or so. It may make that evening a little more difficult but it keeps us 'on track' overall and makes the other 28 days a month more bearable!
post #9 of 12
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I think you're right crunch mommy, if I could get him to nap earlier in the day we'd resolve some of the delirium issues....We have a pretty solid lunch to nap routine going (we try) and it used to be earlier, around 12ish. I will give try going back to an earlier nap this week and see what unfolds. It's often impossible to get him down when he's overtired (although I got him down today) but it's also a challenge when he's just not ready yet. I used to be very on top of the "windows" but as he's gotten older I've found the success of sleeping during windows to be less reliable.
post #10 of 12
Yeah try moving both lunch & the nap back a little earlier & see if he goes down easier. Maybe too get him playing outside in the morning so he's really tired by the time naptime rolls around... I hear you about getting him down when he's overtired, I have the same problem with DS... sometimes a walk does the trick, or turning on the A/C for white noise, or singing/quiet music (he is usually a nurse-to-sleep kid & those things only work when he's overtired & often in conjunction with nursing)... I've heard other moms mention having a 'quiet time' so even if you can't get him to sleep during the window, you could read stories or listen to soft music with the room dimly lit... Maybe taking the stress of making him SLEEP out of the equation will help a bit??
post #11 of 12
I've gotta say, it sure stumps me when nursing to sleep doesn't do the trick. That's been our one constant, even for an overtired monkey, but this past week he shocks me by sitting up, saying "No milk now mama." Ok, fine, even good, but nothing else is working!!!

Today we just did quiet time activities for 2 hours. That does not include the dishes or the laundry or me getting to eat lunch.

No napping makes mama grumpy too.
post #12 of 12
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We stopped nursing a few months ago....but yah, nursing to sleep -- those were the good old days!

Quiet time has worked a couple of times, but only if he is so tired he can't sit up, in which case he'll roll around on the floor or look at books while i try to catch a minute or two of sleep!
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