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I've been following this thread since the beginning, and have had a few thoughts building up in my head about the situation...
1. I believe toward the beginning of the thread you said that you had never really talked to your daughter's preschool teachers beyond the, "oh how was her day?" sort of thing at pick up. In your most recent post you do say that you've spoken to them, but still, I want to outline clearly the form of communication you need to have with them, just in case you haven't already done so. Schedule a parent-teacher conference. Sit down with them and explain the behaviors you are seeing at home. Ask if they are seeing the same behaviors. Ask how she interacts with peers and adults at school. Ask for specific examples. Give them specific examples of how she acts at home, and ask if they see the same behaviors in her. If they say yes, she acts that way here, ask them how they handle it. Get ideas from them! If they say yes, she acts that way here, and nothing helps the behaviors, then sorry, but it's time to look into the possibility of her having special needs. And if they say no, we don't see those behaviors, then you have to realize that something in the home environment is causing them.
2. Cognitive behavioral therapy through workbooks. Doesn't work. I saw a clinical psychologist for years for CBT. It works wonders in that environment. A workbook could be useful for the other 6 days of the week that you don't see your therapist, but please do not say that you are working on your issues by using a workbook. That's like putting a band-aid over an amputated limb.
3. An analogy of sorts, to address your daughter's "need" to argue. My 22 month old dd is obsessed with hitting. Several times a day, she grabs a toy and hits it repeatedly (mind you, this was first being done to people and pets, so she has gotten better) saying, "hit giraffe? hit giraffe? hit giraffe?" Until I say, "no, we don't hit!" Then she stops, thinks, and says, "no. giraffe cry. mama cry. giraffe sad. here mama..." and hands me the giraffe to comfort. I never really gave the behavior much thought, but something in your post made the lightbulb go off above my head- she's trying to figure out why we don't hit, why it's not ok to hit others or for others to hit you. she's trying to internalize the reason for curbing that behavior. She's trying to make sense of her world. In a similar way, I think your daughter is trying to make sense of her world. You argue, probably because of your issues with control. Your husband argues. You and he argue. I think maybe your daughter is trying it out, trying to understand why arguing is so enjoyable and bonding. Because it must be, right, since everyone in her world keeps doing it?
4. I was a second child. My older brother was very high needs. I was very low needs. I didn't get half the attention that he got. That's OK!!! I know as a parent it's incredibly difficult to be okay with that concept, but your 2nd DD will be okay with it. First children learn by doing puzzles with their parents and reading books with their parents. Second (and 3rd, 4th, etc) children learn by watching the first child do puzzles and read books. It's not better or worse, just different. But as a PP recommended, I would definitely try to make a little bit of special time for you and #2 while #1 is at preschool.
5. Have you talked about some of these problems in the Military Moms Tribe? You say that we civilians can't understand some of the issues- that seems fair. So talk to those who can!
Best wishes!!
post #282 of 285
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Originally Posted by LynnS6 View Post
There's a whole thread where people posted similar stories in response to my posting this. The very heartening point is that a lot of three year olds are like this. And they do outgrow it.
Omg that thread had me crying I was laughing so hard.
I miss 3 year olds.
post #283 of 285
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Originally Posted by petey44 View Post
I've been following this thread since the beginning, and have had a few thoughts building up in my head about the situation...
1. I believe toward the beginning of the thread you said that you had never really talked to your daughter's preschool teachers beyond the, "oh how was her day?" sort of thing at pick up. In your most recent post you do say that you've spoken to them, but still, I want to outline clearly the form of communication you need to have with them, just in case you haven't already done so.
It was a pre-school camp and I asked to speak to them at the end.

Of COURSE they see the same behaviors I see at home. They see them in every child there! They are all three and four. I see the other kids doing the same things myself!

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Get ideas from them!
Their hands are tied. They are supposed to re-direct like mad until the parent comes and if it's something they can't re-direct away, the child leaves the pre-school. I put my daughter in for her friends because it was a six-week pr. But their discipline methodology is not great... I know many kids that were taken out of the program because their parents thought that the active kids in the regular program were having negative behaviors reinforced.



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2. Cognitive behavioral therapy through workbooks. Doesn't work. I saw a clinical psychologist for years for CBT. It works wonders in that environment. A workbook could be useful for the other 6 days of the week that you don't see your therapist, but please do not say that you are working on your issues by using a workbook. That's like putting a band-aid over an amputated limb
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Yeah, but my issue is not an amputated limb. A therapist is for someone who meets a clinical diagnosis, and amazingly enough, even though I was VERY MOODY when PMS and I am irritated at what I feel to be some unthoughtful replies on this thread (people saying again and again, verbal correction works for all children, your child is special needs if she doesn't even though she's only three), I'm not actually diagnosed with anything, and considering how I'm functioning in real life, I'm not sure why I would be?

Because my child is in a hitting phase, we all need therapy?

Sorry, I'm not buying it.
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My 22 month old dd is obsessed with hitting. Several times a day, she grabs a toy and hits it repeatedly (mind you, this was first being done to people and pets, so she has gotten better) saying, "hit giraffe? hit giraffe? hit giraffe?" Until I say, "no, we don't hit!" Then she stops, thinks, and says, "no. giraffe cry. mama cry. giraffe sad. here mama..." and hands me the giraffe to comfort. I never really gave the behavior much thought, but something in your post made the lightbulb go off above my head- she's trying to figure out why we don't hit, why it's not ok to hit others or for others to hit you. she's trying to internalize the reason for curbing that behavior. She's trying to make sense of her world. In a similar way, I think your daughter is trying to make sense of her world.
Yes, absolutely. Three-year-olds make sense of the world through testing limits and arguing and being playful.

However, when I engage in too much arguing (taking the bait, so to speak) it starts to get out of hand, and when I don't engage, she takes it up a level.

Though, as I have mentioned six kabillion times here... the "me-challenge-her" thing has really taken the edge off that, and we are not arguing more than once or twice a week.

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You argue, probably because of your issues with control.
I'm sorry. I do not have pathological issues with control. WTH. I control normal things. I let my kids have lots of free play time at the park, we do fun stuff... I'm not seeing it.

I want her to get 12 hours sleep. I do NOT think that is obsessive! That is being a parent!



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4. I was a second child. My older brother was very high needs. I was very low needs. I didn't get half the attention that he got. That's OK!!!
How do you know she's "low needs"? How do you know she's not lonely, but introverted? She's a baby.

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5. Have you talked about some of these problems in the Military Moms Tribe? You say that we civilians can't understand some of the issues- that seems fair. So talk to those who can!
Best wishes!!
I am not sure if ANYONE there would have alternatives to time-out, LOL!!! Not that we aren't all nice... I will ask, but you see, I was looking for alternatives to what I'd been doing for sleep (bribes) and hitting (isolation) and arguing (that was the original problem and it has been solved... amazing how one suggestion that actually fits our family can solve our problems without therapy!).

WTH is up with people suggesting therapy? I had a rough two weeks with sleep after eliminating bribes. I want to be calm 100% of the time (aim high!).

I'm not mentally ill and I don't know where you're getting that... yes, this is a LONG THREAD but I am still getting great ideas from some posters...

Oh, and I tried the whole "kerfuffle"/funny-word thing and except for one incident where apparently the big deal was over done, though I didn't raise my voice ("I didn't say kerfuffle mom! I didn't!" Near tears... ), it worked like a charm, at least to stop the behavior short-term.

Long-term, we shall see... but at least we can keep her from making farting noises in public, LOL!
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WTH is up with people suggesting therapy?
Umm because you repeatedly refer to your THREE year old as a violent abusive conniving bully? Because you repeatedly say nothing works - not punishments, bribes, guidance, redirection. Because your OP is about giving up engaging with your daughter? Because the rest of your life sounds very stressful and you sound like you are at the end of your rope?

Or maybe (as evidenced by the 15 page thread full of suggestions) it is because we are concerned for you and for your children, online support doesn't seem to be working and you sound in need of IRL support and some new strategies.

Yeah maybe that's why.
post #285 of 285
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Do you realize that I haven't read my infant a story in my lap in weeks? That unlike my first child, the baby has never had time to do a puzzle with mom? Not ONCE?

I could go on and on, but frankly, I am tearing up as I realize how much of her needs I've sacrificed for my first daughter, hoping (apparently in vain) that if I could just get it together, she would stop talking and give me a moment of peace.
Your older child is gone 3 hours a day.

You choose to clean.

And you blame HER for you not spending time with the baby??


She's not going to stop talking. THAT is her personality. She's not trying to annoy you or take away your peace. That is who she is.

I think you would benefit from a big perspective shift. I do not think you are "mentally ill." Mental illness is hardly a prerequisite for counselling or a phone consultation with a parenting coach.
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